Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem

Posted by: NW Ponderer

Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/03/19 07:35 PM

Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem (Wa Exam.)
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Out of the nearly 300 elected Republican officials at the highest level of government ó governors, senators, congressmen ó only about a dozen are nonwhite. And with Hurdís exit, Sen. Tim Scott of South Carolina will be the sole black Republican in Congress.

Is this a symptom or cause? 4% of GOP office holders are non- white, but 40% of voters are. Will Hurd, while I disagreed with him on many issues, was one of the few remaining rationalists in the GOP. He was willing to fraternize with Democrats and seek compromises and common ground. No wonder he can't stay in Congress.
Posted by: Greger

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/04/19 01:03 AM

Diversity problem? The Republican Party is openly endorsing racism, nationalism and white supremacy. All the deplorables under one tent.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/04/19 01:58 AM


#GOPwalkaway
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/04/19 02:15 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick

#GOPwalkaway


ThumbsUp LOL ThumbsUp

Yah, looks like #GOPwalkaway is a thing now!
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/04/19 07:29 PM

>Will Hurd's retirement

Interesting dilemma: Is it better to have another Democratic vote in the House, or is it good to have at least one rational Republican voice in their conferences?
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/08/19 08:23 PM

No, the GOP is not trying to imitate the Democrats. The history of racism, nationalism, and white supremacy in America is also the history of the Democrats.
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/08/19 08:25 PM

To have more rational, not emotional voices, in the House elect more Republicans.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/08/19 11:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
To have more rational, not emotional voices, in the House elect more Republicans.

ROTFMOL ROTFMOL ROTFMOL ROTFMOL

ConROT
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/09/19 12:37 AM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
No, the GOP is not trying to imitate the Democrats. The history of racism, nationalism, and white supremacy in America is also the history of the Democrats.


Only if you pretend that nothing happened to the Democratic Party between 1865 and 1965. And as for nationalism, please give some reference to well known Democrats who fit the definition of "nationalist".
I don't even think we have many Republican nationalists in our history until 2016, unless one counts "America Love It or Leave It" bumper stickers as "nationalism".
Posted by: rporter314

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/09/19 03:35 AM

The Democrat Party has not been a part of that history for the last 54 years, however the Republican Party assumed the mantle soon after by catering to disaffected Southern Democrat racists.

The Republican base in the South is certainly driven by racism. It is proven by my unscientific survey of Trump supporters whom I know personally ... 100% are racists. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous of reality.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/09/19 03:51 AM

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To have more rational, not emotional voices, in the House elect more Republicans.


To have more rational voices in the House, Republicans should nominate more Representatives like Will Hurd.

But I don't think it's going to help much in 2020. All but the Reddest of the Red districts are going to elect Democrats. Appealing to voters as racists, misogynists, and Putin supporters drives too many of the independents away. Gerrymandering districts so you only win by 5% is a disaster when you're down by 10%.
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/09/19 03:52 AM

The reasons the Southern Democrats switched to the Republican Party had nothing to do with race. It was due to the Democrat's opposition to the war in Vietnam. The southern Democrats were strong supporters of our military. When the Democrats started to cut defense spending, which helped get the southern Democrats reelected, a lot of our country's military bases are located in the southern states, the southern Democrats joined the Republican Party to protect the military bases in their districts. In many of those districts a military base was their biggest source of revenue. Cutting defense spending hurt the economy of the southern states.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/09/19 04:18 AM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
No, the GOP is not trying to imitate the Democrats. The history of racism, nationalism, and white supremacy in America is also the history of the Democrats.

Conservative Democrats, correct. Now-a-days, Conservatives are Republicans.

smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/09/19 04:29 AM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
The reasons the Southern Democrats switched to the Republican Party had nothing to do with race. It was due to the Democrat's opposition to the war in Vietnam. The southern Democrats were strong supporters of our military. When the Democrats started to cut defense spending, which helped get the southern Democrats reelected, a lot of our country's military bases are located in the southern states, the southern Democrats joined the Republican Party to protect the military bases in their districts. In many of those districts a military base was their biggest source of revenue. Cutting defense spending hurt the economy of the southern states.


Racism and bigotry are not a Democrat or Republican ideology, but racism and bigotry are 100% Conservative ideologies.

Conservative Democrats fought a war to keep slavery legal, Liberal Republicans fought a war to keep black Americans free and independent humans.

Conservative Democrats even started the KKK in the mid-to-late 1800s and in the 1930s wrote Jim Crow laws.

In 1964 when the Civil Rights Act was signed, Conservative Dixiecrat Demoocrats switched to the Republican party to spite Lyndon Johnson. Richard Nixon also recruited Conservative Democrats under his "Southern Strategy" effort.

Conservatism is the only common thread to pre-1964 racist and bigoted Democrats and post-1964 racist and bigoted Republicans, neo-NAZIs and the Alt-Right.

In 2019, the GOP is the largest white-identity American political group in existence. That's not merely a happy coincidence. Hmm


smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/09/19 04:30 AM



...and, we're off. laugh
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/09/19 04:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
The reasons the Southern Democrats switched to the Republican Party had nothing to do with race. It was due to the Democrat's opposition to the war in Vietnam. The southern Democrats were strong supporters of our military.

When the Democrats started to cut defense spending, which helped get the southern Democrats reelected, a lot of our country's military bases are located in the southern states, the southern Democrats joined the Republican Party to protect the military bases in their districts. In many of those districts a military base was their biggest source of revenue. Cutting defense spending hurt the economy of the southern states.


The Nixon Southern Strategy was spearheaded by Lee Atwater, among others. I am searching for any speeches Atwater might have made.
Maybe there's something about the war in here.
Nope...seems more like he's interested in talking about how to properly couch terms like "nigger".

Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/09/19 04:46 AM



Of course Conservatives like Tucker Carlson thinks white supremacy is a hoax: nobody has ever tried to lynch them for being black. coffee
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/09/19 03:52 PM

How long was the entire interview? You don't think it might be possible that The Nation, a very liberal publication, selected a small portion of the interview to further its claim that the GOP's southern strategy was racist?
Posted by: Greger

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/09/19 04:08 PM

Maybe the southern strategy wasn't racist at all! Maybe the GOP just wanted more toothless uneducated southern rednecks in their number. That they hated black people was mere coincidence.

That it has led to a party made up almost entirely of white people who hate black people is also mere coincidence.

Denial of racism is on about the same order as denial of global climate change. The proof is there, you need only open your eyes.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/09/19 06:29 PM

The funny thing is that before the Southern Strategy, the GOP HATED those "toothless uneducated southern rednecks"! They were very Northern and elitist. Then Nixon's guys figured out they could claim Southern Whites simply by repudiating Lincoln's legacy. All they had to do was take the other side against the Civil Rights Act. It worked, because in the Southern White versus Black contest, there were more votes on the White side.

So now Republicans are the Party of White Supremacy, Russia fellow travelers, authoritarianism, corruption, and sabotage of government.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/09/19 07:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
How long was the entire interview? You don't think it might be possible that The Nation, a very liberal publication, selected a small portion of the interview to further its claim that the GOP's southern strategy was racist?


Please tell me that you are NOT ignorant about Lee Atwater.
The man even expressed remorse from his deathbed for his antics.
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/09/19 08:00 PM

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Please tell me that you are NOT ignorant about Lee Atwater. The man even expressed remorse from his deathbed for his antics.
Lee Atwater's sleazy tactics do not excuse similar ones by The Nation. Or perhaps you don't care about what The Nation did because you agree with the magazine? If that is the case remember "No one who throws mud has clean hands."
Posted by: Greger

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/09/19 08:17 PM

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Or perhaps you don't care about what The Nation did

What did The Nation do?
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/09/19 10:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
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Please tell me that you are NOT ignorant about Lee Atwater. The man even expressed remorse from his deathbed for his antics.
Lee Atwater's sleazy tactics do not excuse similar ones by The Nation. Or perhaps you don't care about what The Nation did because you agree with the magazine? If that is the case remember "No one who throws mud has clean hands."


I could have pulled Lee Atwater's speech or a transcript from any of a thousand sources.
Wikipedia
Boogie Man: The Lee Atwater Story

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Ed Rollins, however, stated in the 2008 documentary Boogie Man: The Lee Atwater Story, that "[Atwater] was telling this story about how a Living Bible was what was giving him faith and I said to Mary [Matalin], 'I really, sincerely hope that he found peace.' She said, 'Ed, when we were cleaning up his things afterwards, the Bible was still wrapped in the cellophane and had never been taken out of the package', which just told you everything there was. He was spinning right to the end."
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/09/19 10:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Lee Atwater's sleazy tactics do not excuse similar ones by The Nation.


Lee Atwater's tactics are what cemented in place for all time the sea change in the South from segregationist Dixiecrats and Solid South Southern Dems to Red State Republicans.
LBJ mourned that the Dems would "lose the South for a generation" when he signed the Civil Rights Act.

LBJ was an optimist.

And again, pretending that the Democratic Party never underwent any change in platform between 1865 and 1965 is a fool's errand and appears so to anybody who opens a history book.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/10/19 02:11 AM

Originally Posted By: Greger
Maybe the southern strategy wasn't racist at all! Maybe the GOP just wanted more toothless uneducated southern rednecks in their number. That they hated black people was mere coincidence.

That it has led to a party made up almost entirely of white people who hate black people is also mere coincidence.

Denial of racism is on about the same order as denial of global climate change. The proof is there, you need only open your eyes.


Conservatives like Tucker Carlson wants us to believe that white supremacists just love Trump because he's dapper and charming.

smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/10/19 02:20 AM


I really need to stop bringing a MQ-9 Reaper to a knife fight. coffee

Oh well... Hmm
Posted by: rporter314

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/10/19 04:30 AM

Southern Democrats have been driven by racism since before the war of northern aggression, and for the next century racism was the binding force which cemented Southern Democrat control of the South. The increasingly more liberal views of Northern Democrats on the issue of segregation disaffected Southern Democrats who began the exodus from the Party and began voting Republican in national elections. They continued voting for Southern Democrats in local races because they could continue to control the social issues locally.

Mr Trump's election exposed the Republican base as racist. It has been known to all who would consider the question objectively. No longer can Republicans ignore the racist makeup of the base as is easily evidenced by the fear Republicans have of Mr Trump. He has become the public voice of their racism, which demands Republicans pledge loyalty to Mr Trump or suffer the consequences of being primaried by racial extremists.

A historical rewrite of history to protect racial injustices perpetrated by the Republican base is so distasteful as to be odious.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/10/19 06:09 AM

Originally Posted By: rporter314
Southern Democrats have been driven by racism since before the war of northern aggression, and for the next century racism was the binding force which cemented Southern Democrat control of the South. The increasingly more liberal views of Northern Democrats on the issue of segregation disaffected Southern Democrats who began the exodus from the Party and began voting Republican in national elections. They continued voting for Southern Democrats in local races because they could continue to control the social issues locally.

Mr Trump's election exposed the Republican base as racist. It has been known to all who would consider the question objectively. No longer can Republicans ignore the racist makeup of the base as is easily evidenced by the fear Republicans have of Mr Trump. He has become the public voice of their racism, which demands Republicans pledge loyalty to Mr Trump or suffer the consequences of being primaried by racial extremists.

A historical rewrite of history to protect racial injustices perpetrated by the Republican base is so distasteful as to be odious.

Let's all be clear about this: Racism and bigotry are not Democrat or Republican issues - these issues of racism and bigotry are 100% Conservative issues.

As we have seen in our history, being a Democrat or Republican is fluid and has changed over time.

Being a Conservative or Liberal is static and the only ideologies that have remained consistent throughout America's history.

smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/10/19 01:12 PM



ALL Conservative will always state the KKK was started by Democrats and Jim Crow Laws were written by Democrats.

Curiously, ALL Conservatives leave out the part that it was Conservative Democrats who started the KKK and it was Conservative Democrats who wrote the Jim Crow Laws.

Now why would a Conservative dishonestly tell half of the story? Because the filthy lying Conservative who knowingly and willingly lies by omission to save face is a bald-faced conniving sociopath. - that's why. Hmm
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/10/19 02:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
No, the GOP is not trying to imitate the Democrats. The history of racism, nationalism, and white supremacy in America is also the history of the Democrats.
LOL - Welcome back. Actually, the history of racism, nationalism, and white supremacy is the history of racists, nationalists and white supremacists. That they used to predominate in one party and migrated into the other is just happenstance. (And who says Republicans oppose migration!) As it is currently, the history of the Republican party is currently one of racism, nationalism, and white supremacy. That will continue to the be the case as long as the party embraces Trump and Trumpism.
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/10/19 02:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
To have more rational, not emotional voices, in the House elect more Republicans.
Out of curiosity, who would those rational non-emotional voices be attached to?
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/10/19 02:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
The reasons the Southern Democrats switched to the Republican Party had nothing to do with race. It was due to the Democrat's opposition to the war in Vietnam. The southern Democrats were strong supporters of our military. When the Democrats started to cut defense spending, which helped get the southern Democrats reelected, a lot of our country's military bases are located in the southern states, the southern Democrats joined the Republican Party to protect the military bases in their districts. In many of those districts a military base was their biggest source of revenue. Cutting defense spending hurt the economy of the southern states.
That is an interesting historical assertion. Do you have anything that supports it? Any citations, references? This chart seems to refute that assertion: As does this one:
which shows that Democrats controlled both Houses throughout this period.
Posted by: rporter314

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/10/19 02:53 PM

Southerners have in general as a group been more conservative than the rest of the population dating since before the Revolutionary War. It was in fact Southerners who revolted against Republicans who supported abolishing slavery and turned to the Democrat Party. Thus we see at an early date how racism had driven more conservative voters to join the Democrat Party.

My question still remains for racists or white supremacists or white nationalists, what is the virtue of racism?
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/10/19 02:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Greger
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Or perhaps you don't care about what The Nation did

What did The Nation do?

Apparently they quoted Atwater. That is dirty pool. A cesspool, even.
Posted by: rporter314

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/10/19 03:05 PM

Just a guess but ... I suspect he is trying to universalize the smaller, but more vocal progressive or more liberal wing of the Democrat Party, which did indeed oppose the Viet Nam War, as being the actual party in power, which it was not. I can't imagine any Republican considering Pres Johnson, or Sec McNamara, or Gen Westmoreland as being soft on commies or the war effort.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/10/19 03:53 PM

Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Originally Posted By: Greger
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Or perhaps you don't care about what The Nation did

What did The Nation do?

Apparently they quoted Atwater. That is dirty pool. A cesspool, even.

It's like when Trump is accurately quoted, and then Trump turns around and says it's "fake news."

rolleyes
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/10/19 04:33 PM

NW Ponderer, could you provide a link to those charts? As a seasoned citizen my eyesight isn't what it used to be and I can't read them. Being unable to read them makes it difficult to obtain the information they provide.
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/10/19 05:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
NW Ponderer, could you provide a link to those charts? As a seasoned citizen my eyesight isn't what it used to be and I can't read them. Being unable to read them makes it difficult to obtain the information they provide.
Happily, although I posted them from a different device. Defense Spending is from Wikipedia, as is the other, Party Control of House and Senate.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/10/19 05:23 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick

Conservatives like Tucker Carlson wants us to believe that white supremacists just love Trump because he's dapper and charming.

smile


Conservatives like Tucker Carlson are increasingly resorting to espousing theories like "the Great Replacement".

That is straight out of the last great American white supremacist heyday, the 1920's.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/10/19 05:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: pdx rick

Conservatives like Tucker Carlson wants us to believe that white supremacists just love Trump because he's dapper and charming.

smile


Conservatives like Tucker Carlson are increasingly resorting to espousing theories like "the Great Replacement".

That is straight out of the last great American white supremacist heyday, the 1920's.

...and they're being more open and bold about it. No more masks. We now know who they are. smile
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/10/19 05:29 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick

Being a Conservative or Liberal is static and the only ideologies that have remained consistent throughout America's history.

smile


We're forced to use their terminology because their reality distortion mu-sheen has ruined the word "liberal" for now. That's because Dennis Prager has been edge-a-muh-catin contards that "liberal" means "classical liberal", which means RW Libertarian in this country.

Once again, they've thrown a lot of money at the problem, organized money. They have think tank armies. We have pimples and social justice warriors who can whine and cry really loud.
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We have to use the term "lefty" now.
Sorry, I don't write the rules!
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/10/19 05:32 PM

Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
To have more rational, not emotional voices, in the House elect more Republicans.
Out of curiosity, who would those rational non-emotional voices be attached to?


As it happens, mostly to people who have exited the Republican Party, some of whom are now counseling OTHER former Republicans to vote Democrat and thus destroy the current Republican Party in order to pave the way for their eventual return...maybe in a generation if we don't screw things up.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/10/19 07:15 PM



One of my favorite questions to ask the modern Righty is: How's that "Jews will not replace us" working out for you? laugh
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/10/19 07:28 PM

Funny how so many of these Alt-Right Manifestos are now claiming that Mexicans (dog-whistle for everybody from South of the border) and Muslims are coming to this country and replacing us at all the good jobs. They are repudiating White Supremacy! They claim we need to keep immigrants out because they are superior.

Sounds like some whiny little bitches to me, who can't get out of Mom's basement and get an education and a good job. So they fantasize about killing "their oppressors" while they build up their gun collection.
Posted by: Greger

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/10/19 07:58 PM

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We have to use the term "lefty" now.
Sorry, I don't write the rules!

One of these days maybe we can reclaim some stolen ground and admit that we are in fact socialists and that we think people matter more than money.
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: Will Hurdís retirement reminds us of the GOPís diversity problem - 08/15/19 05:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Greger
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We have to use the term "lefty" now.
Sorry, I don't write the rules!

One of these days maybe we can reclaim some stolen ground and admit that we are in fact socialists and that we think people matter more than money.
That's why I refer to myself as an "eco-social democrat", because I believe in an eco-social market economy. We need eco-social democracy (IP&S).