Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped

Posted by: pdx rick

Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/03/19 10:22 PM

Quote:
He was gay when he received counseling from a therapist who assured him he could overcome his same-sex attractions.

He was gay when he married a woman and founded what would become one of the nationís most expansive conversion therapy ministries.

He was gay when thousands of people just like him sought his organizationís counsel, all with the goal of erasing the part of themselves Game and his associates preached would send them to hell.

For two decades, he led Hope for Wholeness, a faith-based conversion therapy program in South Carolinaís Upstate. Conversion therapy is a discredited practice intended to suppress or eradicate a personís LGBTQ identity through counseling or ministry.

But the groupís board of directors abruptly fired Game in November 2017.

In June, Game publicly announced he was gay and severed his ties with the organization.

Post and Courier - South Carolina

The Lady doth protest too much. smile

Every single time some guy protests gays, gayness, gay sex - he's a closet case.

Hmm
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/03/19 10:47 PM



It always ends the same way: being gay wasn't the illness, being a nut job Conservative was. smile
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/03/19 11:05 PM

I just read this! I'm shocked, shocked, that being gay was going on...
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/03/19 11:15 PM

Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
I just read this! I'm shocked, shocked, that being gay was going on...

I'm sick-to-death of closeted Conservatives wrecking normal healthy gay people's lives because said Conservatives can't handle being gay themselves. mad

Ted Haggard anyone? Hmm
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 01:07 AM

The people who try to "convert" gays to being straight are not conservatives. They are Bible thumping charlatans. They are people who believe in a collection of myths that were written thousands of years ago. While those people might work for and support conservative politicians and causes they are not conservatives, classical liberals, because they do not believe in the First Amendment. A person's sexual orientation is their business!
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 01:11 AM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
The people who try to "convert" gays to being straight are not conservatives. They are Bible thumping charlatans. They are people who believe in a collection of myths that were written thousands of years ago. While those people might work for and support conservative politicians and causes they are not conservatives, classical liberals, because they do not believe in the First Amendment. A person's sexual orientation is their business!


They ID as such, they vote as such and they rant and rave AGAINST liberals, so despite your NO TRUE SCOTSMAN attempts, yep...they're conservatives.

And after putting up with weeks and weeks of your constant red-baiting, perhaps now you might understand how it feels.
But the difference is, NOBODY I know on the Left, here on the Rant or in real life, walks around mumbling about the glory of Karl Marx.

The difference is, these gay conversion folks, ALL THEY EVER DO is talk about being conservative.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 01:19 AM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
They ID as such, they vote as such and they rant and rave AGAINST liberals, so despite your NO TRUE SCOTSMAN attempts, yep...they're conservatives.

And after putting up with weeks and weeks of your constant red-baiting, perhaps now you might understand how it feels.
But the difference is, NOBODY I know on the Left, here on the Rant or in real life, walks around mumbling about the glory of Karl Marx.

The difference is, these gay conversion folks, ALL THEY EVER DO is talk about being conservative.

Wow. I appreciate the support Jeffery. I've never seen one of your posts be so direct and pointedly laser-focused while cutting like a knife.

Thank you. smile
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 01:23 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
They ID as such, they vote as such and they rant and rave AGAINST liberals, so despite your NO TRUE SCOTSMAN attempts, yep...they're conservatives.

And after putting up with weeks and weeks of your constant red-baiting, perhaps now you might understand how it feels.
But the difference is, NOBODY I know on the Left, here on the Rant or in real life, walks around mumbling about the glory of Karl Marx.

The difference is, these gay conversion folks, ALL THEY EVER DO is talk about being conservative.

Wow. I appreciate the support Jeffery. I've never seen one of your posts be so direct and pointedly laser-focused while cutting like a knife.

Thank you. smile


Oh come on, Rick.
For forty years I was a DP and a film editor.
You probably realize that almost a third of that entire industry is gay. Just because I am not oriented that way doesn't mean I am not a supporter.
Listen to the Leon Russell/Marc Benno song "Straight Brother".

I've always been one of the straight brothers smile

PS: Didn't someone do an amusing song about Uncle Ted called "Meth and Man-Ass?"
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 01:29 AM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
PS: Didn't someone do an amusing song about Uncle Ted called "Meth and Man-Ass?"

Not sure. Mebbe. Ted was so 2005, 06, 07 anyway. Hmm
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 01:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
The people who try to "convert" gays to being straight are not conservatives. They are Bible thumping charlatans. They are people who believe in a collection of myths that were written thousands of years ago. While those people might work for and support conservative politicians and causes they are not conservatives, classical liberals, because they do not believe in the First Amendment. A person's sexual orientation is their business!


They ID as such, they vote as such and they rant and rave AGAINST liberals, so despite your NO TRUE SCOTSMAN attempts, yep...they're conservatives.

And after putting up with weeks and weeks of your constant red-baiting, perhaps now you might understand how it feels.
But the difference is, NOBODY I know on the Left, here on the Rant or in real life, walks around mumbling about the glory of Karl Marx.

The difference is, these gay conversion folks, ALL THEY EVER DO is talk about being conservative.
No, they are not. Again you ignored what I wrote. You ignored that true conservatives are classical liberals, people who put the First Amendment before their religion.

The only person who felt he was being "red baited" was you Jeffery. That you felt I was "red baiting" you with my comments is your problem not mine.

There are two reasons people on they left, on the Rant, or in real life don't walk around mumbling about Karl Marx.
1) They don't know who Marx was.
2) They don't know what he wrote.
You can't mumble about something you don't know about.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 01:38 AM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack


The only person who felt he was being "red baited" was you Jeffery. That you felt I was "red baiting" you with my comments is your problem not mine.


I don't think that comment is going to age well.
Show of hands please?
Anyone else feel like they too were being red-baited?

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack

There are two reasons people on they left, on the Rant, or in real life don't walk around mumbling about Karl Marx.
1) They don't know who Marx was.
2) They don't know what he wrote.
You can't mumble about something you don't know about.


Third reason: Karl Marx's teachings aren't relevant to modern people who are on the Left. Your paranoia about communism is palpable, and way over the top. And everyone here knows it because you make it quite clear.

So the point stands, yes they are conservatives, because all they ever preach is conservatism. Actions, my friend. They are defined BY their ACTIONS.

When is the last time you saw or heard any liberal talk about setting up a "politburo" or talking about "the proles", or reciting the glories of the collective? When's the last time any liberal you know of advocated for the US government taking outright ownership of an industry?

See? You are trying to justify your red-baiting.
You can't help it, you don't even know when you're doing it.
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 01:39 AM

I write a post condemning the hypocrite and his supporters who tried to hide his homosexuality by attempting to convert gays into being straight and what is the reply to my comment? I get bashed for stating my opinion that those who do so, the Bible thumpers, are not conservatives. Why the hell should I seek common ground if all I do is get criticized for it?
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 01:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
...Again you ignored what I wrote. You ignored that true conservatives are classical liberals...

I'm sorry sir, you can't always live in the glory days of the past. That may have been true at one time, but it's not true today.

Today's Conservatives are bigots and racist, Dem-owing Trump supporters. I will say the very same thing about the 2010 T-Baggers. I also recognize that today's Trump supporters are former 2010s T-Baggers.

I graduated from high school when Reagan was in Office. I also knew I was gay in high school. I told my parents when I was in the 11th grade.

I don't forget that Reagan was an Evangelical modern Conservative.

I will never, ever, EVER forget that THAT man never uttered the AIDS or HIV for six years of the epidemic until his wife Nancy made him do so in recognition of her friend Rock Hudson dying from AIDS.

Your generation of "Conservatives" made me who I am today. I will never forget. I'm not the only one. smile

Quote:
Dixie Chicks

Forgive, sounds good
Forget, I'm not sure I could
They say time heals everything
But I'm still waiting
I'm through with doubt
There's nothing left for me to figure out
I've paid a price, and I'll keep paying
I'm not ready to make nice
I'm not ready to back down
I'm still mad as hell, and I don't have time
To go 'round and 'round and 'round
It's too late to make it right
I probably wouldn't if I could
'Cause I'm mad as hell
Can't bring myself to do what it is
You think I should
I know you said
Why can't you just get over it?
It turned my whole world around
And I kinda like it
I made my bed, and I sleep like a baby
With no regrets, and I don't mind saying
It's a sad, sad story
When a mother will teach her daughter
That she ought to hate a perfect stranger
And howÖ

Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 01:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
I write a post condemning the hypocrite and his supporters who tried to hide his homosexuality by attempting to convert gays into being straight and what is the reply to my comment? I get bashed for stating my opinion that those who do so, the Bible thumpers, are not conservatives. Why the hell should I seek common ground if all I do is get criticized for it?


Better question: Why should you defend these people at all?
Besides, you running around doing the "no true Scotsman" thing is hardly what I would call "seeking common ground".
You spelled "apologetics" wrong!

And you bring up bashing? Really? Seriously?
You call being taken to task for apologetics bashing now?
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 01:48 AM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack


The only person who felt he was being "red baited" was you Jeffery. That you felt I was "red baiting" you with my comments is your problem not mine.


I don't think that comment is going to age well.
Show of hands please?
Anyone else feel like they too were being red-baited?

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack

There are two reasons people on they left, on the Rant, or in real life don't walk around mumbling about Karl Marx.
1) They don't know who Marx was.
2) They don't know what he wrote.
You can't mumble about something you don't know about.


Third reason: Karl Marx's teachings aren't relevant to modern people who are on the Left. Your paranoia about communism is palpable, and way over the top. And everyone here knows it because you make it quite clear.

So the point stands, yes they are conservatives, because all they ever preach is conservatism. Actions, my friend. They are defined BY their ACTIONS.

When is the last time you saw or heard any liberal talk about setting up a "politburo" or talking about "the proles", or reciting the glories of the collective? When's the last time any liberal you know of advocated for the US government taking outright ownership of an industry?

See? You are trying to justify your red-baiting.
You can't help it, you don't even know when you're doing it.

Have taken a close look at Kamala Harris? She is a front runner to be the Democrat's Presidential nominee. "Harris has been surrounded by socialists and communists her entire lifeóbeginning with her staunchly Marxist father." https://www.trevorloudon.com/2019/03/kamala-harriss-socialist-ties/
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 01:50 AM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
..Karl Marx's teachings aren't relevant to modern people who are on the Left.


Now that we're clearing the air...

Conservatives can stop with the George Soros bullshyte too. I'd never heard of George Soros in my life until Conservatives started harping on him.

Same goes for Saul Alinsky too. smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 01:54 AM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
...Have taken a close look at Kamala Harris? She is a front runner to be the Democrat's Presidential nominee.

No she's not. But it's interesting that you're afraid of her. Why is that? Is it because she's a woman? A black woman? An educated black woman? Where does the fear stem from?

smile
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 02:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
[quote=Senator Hatrack]I write a post condemning the hypocrite and his supporters who tried to hide his homosexuality by attempting to convert gays into being straight and what is the reply to my comment? I get bashed for stating my opinion that those who do so, the Bible thumpers, are not conservatives. Why the hell should I seek common ground if all I do is get criticized for it?


Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Better question: Why should you defend these people at all?
Besides, you running around doing the "no true Scotsman" thing is hardly what I would call "seeking common ground".
You spelled "apologetics" wrong!

And you bring up bashing? Really? Seriously?
You call being taken to task for apologetics bashing now?
I didn't defend them. I said that in my opinion they are not conservatives. When and where did I use the word you said I misspelled? I reviewed my posts and could not find a comment of mine where used that word. Apparently you are not reading what I wrote.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 02:17 AM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
[quote=Senator Hatrack]I write a post condemning the hypocrite and his supporters who tried to hide his homosexuality by attempting to convert gays into being straight and what is the reply to my comment? I get bashed for stating my opinion that those who do so, the Bible thumpers, are not conservatives. Why the hell should I seek common ground if all I do is get criticized for it?


Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Better question: Why should you defend these people at all?
Besides, you running around doing the "no true Scotsman" thing is hardly what I would call "seeking common ground".
You spelled "apologetics" wrong!

And you bring up bashing? Really? Seriously?
You call being taken to task for apologetics bashing now?
I didn't defend them. I said that in my opinion they are not conservatives. When and where did I use the word you said I misspelled? I reviewed my posts and could not find a comment of mine where used that word. Apparently you are not reading what I wrote.


What you claim is "seeking common ground" is "apologetics".
I made a sarcastic remark that you "spelled apologetics wrong" because you were practicing apologetics.

So, in YOUR OPINION they aren't conservatives?
That is called the "NO TRUE SCOTSMAN" effect.

NO TRUE SCOTSMAN - an appeal to purity

Quote:
No true Scotsman, or appeal to purity, is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect a universal generalization from counterexamples by changing the definition in an ad hoc fashion to exclude the counterexample.


You will NEVER be able to inject enough righteous purity to counter the fact that McKrae Game and Ted Haggard were conservatives.
Your argument is a logical fallacy.
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 02:18 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
...Have taken a close look at Kamala Harris? She is a front runner to be the Democrat's Presidential nominee.

No she's not. But interesting that you're afraid of her. Why is that? Is it because she's a woman? A black woman? An educated black woman? Where does the fear stem from?

smile

Yes, she is. Here is a list of the Democrat's Presidential front runners from the Rolling Stone magazine, a liberal publication. Kamala Harris is #4 on the list. That you assume that I am afraid of Kamala Harris for any reason show that you see everything and everybody through the lens of identity politics. When I see her I see a strong candidate for the presidency. She is a strong candidate because she is intelligent and a very well educated person. Had she run for the presidency in 2016 she might have won. BTW, thank you for showing your ignorance about politics. That you did not know who George Soros is and Saul Alinsky was is a sign of ignorance. As is you claim that all conservatives are bigots and racists. That you don't that the word bigot and racist are synonyms, they essential mean the same thing, is another sign of your ignorance.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/2020-democrat-candidates-771735/
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 02:23 AM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
...Have taken a close look at Kamala Harris? She is a front runner to be the Democrat's Presidential nominee.

No she's not.

Yes, she is.

Kamala is polling at 7% just like she did prior to the first debate. At best she'll be offered a VP slot - at best.

The Dem nominee will be Joe Biden because he's a moderate. America needs a moderate to counter-balance current orange buffoon's antics.

Everything that Trump has touched has turned to shyte. Everything. Hmm
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 02:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
...you assume that I am afraid of Kamala Harris for any reason show that you see everything and everybody through the lens of identity politics.

Excuse me, the GOP is the largest white identity organization in America. Hmm Pretty sure identity politics started with you guys. smile
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 02:25 AM

My "appeal to purity" is because I want people like those Bible thumpers out of conservatism. They preach hate and divisiveness and doing that destroys conservatism. The conservatism I want to see grow and prosper is one that is inclusive. A conservtism that seeks to help people be free to live their lives as they chose to. Not according to some ancient myths.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 02:30 AM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
My "appeal to purity" is because I want people like those Bible thumpers out of conservatism.

That's not going to happen. Thank Reagan for that. "It's morning in 'murca y'all."

smile

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
The conservatism I want to see grow and prosper is one that is inclusive.

That's today's Liberalism.

Conservatives: It's not white, it ain't right
Liberals: It's brown, go to town


Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
...conservtism that seeks to help people be free to live their lives as they chose to. Not according to some ancient myths.

Not that pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps canard again. coffee

That gum has lost its flavor. smile
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 02:31 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
...Have taken a close look at Kamala Harris? She is a front runner to be the Democrat's Presidential nominee.

No she's not.

Yes, she is.

Kamala is polling at 7% just like she did prior to the first debate. At best she'll be offered a VP slot - at best.

The Dem nominee will be Joe Biden because he's a moderate. America needs a moderate to counter-balance current orange buffoon's antics.

Everything that Trump has touched has turned to shyte. Everything. Hmm

At 7%, in a crowed field of candidates, she is a front runner. I doubt Joe Biden will be the Democrat's Presidential nominee. The 2020 Presidential election is long way off and lot can happen between now and then. Who the hell said anything about Pres. Trump? If I'm afraid of Kamala Harris because I mention her once you must be paranoid about Trump because you can't stop talking about him.
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 02:34 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
My "appeal to purity" is because I want people like those Bible thumpers out of conservatism.

That's not going to happen. Thank Reagan for that. "It's morning in 'murca y'all."

smile

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
The conservatism I want to see grow and prosper is one that is inclusive.

That's today's Liberalism.

Conservatives: It's not white, it ain't right
Liberals: It's brown, go to town


Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
...conservtism that seeks to help people be free to live their lives as they chose to. Not according to some ancient myths.

Not that pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps canard again. coffee

That gum has lost its flavor. smile

Someday pdx rick could you respond to what I wrote?
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 03:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
...you must be paranoid about Trump because you can't stop talking about him.

I GUARANTEE Trump will not be re-elected. Trump lost educated suburban women and that is why there was a #BlueWave in 2018.

It was fluke that Trump even won in the first place - not even he believed it.

smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 03:15 AM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Someday pdx rick could you respond to what I wrote?

Pretty sure that I did. smile
Posted by: Greger

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 04:05 AM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
My "appeal to purity" is because I want people like those Bible thumpers out of conservatism. They preach hate and divisiveness and doing that destroys conservatism. The conservatism I want to see grow and prosper is one that is inclusive. A conservtism that seeks to help people be free to live their lives as they chose to. Not according to some ancient myths.


Our goals are very similar. What's the plan to raise people out of poverty so they can be free to live their lives as they choose?
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 04:58 AM

Originally Posted By: Greger
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
My "appeal to purity" is because I want people like those Bible thumpers out of conservatism. They preach hate and divisiveness and doing that destroys conservatism. The conservatism I want to see grow and prosper is one that is inclusive. A conservtism that seeks to help people be free to live their lives as they chose to. Not according to some ancient myths.


Our goals are very similar. What's the plan to raise people out of poverty so they can be free to live their lives as they choose?

A very old plan and one that is almost always successful, work. Having a job is best way for people to get of poverty. It isn't 100% successful but it is still the most effective of getting people out of poverty.
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 04:59 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Someday pdx rick could you respond to what I wrote?

Pretty sure that I did. smile

You did? When was that?
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 05:01 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
...you must be paranoid about Trump because you can't stop talking about him.

I GUARANTEE Trump will not be re-elected. Trump lost educated suburban women and that is why there was a #BlueWave in 2018.

It was fluke that Trump even won in the first place - not even he believed it.

smile

That's not a guarantee I'd take to the bank.
Posted by: Greger

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 04:42 PM

Quote:
That's not a guarantee I'd take to the bank.


me neither. It sounds like Rick has completely bought into my line of propaganda. I "think" Trump will lose. But I "thought" he would lose in 2016 too.

But Trump hasn't advanced either of our agendas. By the way, I think yours is admirable but, given the times, I think mine is more applicable.
Posted by: Greger

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 04:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: Greger
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
My "appeal to purity" is because I want people like those Bible thumpers out of conservatism. They preach hate and divisiveness and doing that destroys conservatism. The conservatism I want to see grow and prosper is one that is inclusive. A conservtism that seeks to help people be free to live their lives as they chose to. Not according to some ancient myths.


Our goals are very similar. What's the plan to raise people out of poverty so they can be free to live their lives as they choose?

A very old plan and one that is almost always successful, work. Having a job is best way for people to get of poverty. It isn't 100% successful but it is still the most effective of getting people out of poverty.


Work will set you free! I think the gates of Auschwitz bore this slogan.
At $7.25 an hour you are not free to live your life as you choose. Unemployment is at record lows yet the ranks of the poor are growing. Your theory might work on paper but government has sided with the employers so many times that there's little left for the workers.
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 05:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Greger
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: Greger
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
My "appeal to purity" is because I want people like those Bible thumpers out of conservatism. They preach hate and divisiveness and doing that destroys conservatism. The conservatism I want to see grow and prosper is one that is inclusive. A conservtism that seeks to help people be free to live their lives as they chose to. Not according to some ancient myths.


Our goals are very similar. What's the plan to raise people out of poverty so they can be free to live their lives as they choose?

A very old plan and one that is almost always successful, work. Having a job is best way for people to get of poverty. It isn't 100% successful but it is still the most effective of getting people out of poverty.


Work will set you free! I think the gates of Auschwitz bore this slogan.
At $7.25 an hour you are not free to live your life as you choose. Unemployment is at record lows yet the ranks of the poor are growing. Your theory might work on paper but government has sided with the employers so many times that there's little left for the workers.

The slogan "Arbeit mach frei" was put up on concentration camp built and run by a government. When governments interfere in the private sector the results are recession, which with too much government interference can cause a depression, and unemployment. When there is as little government interference as possible in the private sector prosperity is the result.
Posted by: Greger

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 10:13 PM

Just a few rules, Senator, with minimal interference. No game comes without a list of rules.

The forum rules say we are way off topic.

Since it has become apparent that gay conversion therapy doesn't work can we also assume that gays are not converting your children to homosexuality?
Just a random rhetorical question to get the conversation back on track...
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/04/19 11:51 PM

Quote:
I want people like those Bible thumpers out of conservatism. They preach hate and divisiveness and doing that destroys conservatism. The conservatism I want to see grow and prosper is one that is inclusive.


You should be careful, Senator: Such talk is going to get you drummed out of conservative circles! Those Bible Thumpers are an important part of the Republican coalition. Without them, Republicans would win exactly zero elections, ever. That "inclusive" thing is highly suspect now, too. Just look at Charlottesville.
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/05/19 05:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Greger
Just a few rules, Senator, with minimal interference. No game comes without a list of rules.

The forum rules say we are way off topic.

Since it has become apparent that gay conversion therapy doesn't work can we also assume that gays are not converting your children to homosexuality?
Just a random rhetorical question to get the conversation back on track...

A person cannot be converted from being gay nor can they be converted to be gay. Either you are or you aren't.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/05/19 11:01 PM

Actually, it's a little more complicated, like everything we Great Apes do: Some small percentage of people seem to be born bisexual. They are attracted to both sexes. But those people can have exclusively hetero or homosexual relationships, which adds to the confusion around "conversion".

Or there's even the more realistic argument that we are all a little bit bisexual: I'm straight as an arrow, and have never had any sort of relationship with another man, not because of any dislike for gay people. Some of my best friends and relatives are gay or lesbian. But when I see an early Brad Pitt movie, I think: Hmmmmm, maybe I could be with the right guy.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/05/19 11:27 PM

Brad Pitt is MINE, you filthy pervert!!!!

blush
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/07/19 01:25 AM

I'm not sure how you do a MMM three-way...... Oh, never mind. I figured it out.
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Conversion therapy leader for 2 decades, McKrae Game disavows movement he helped - 09/07/19 02:43 AM

Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Actually, it's a little more complicated, like everything we Great Apes do: Some small percentage of people seem to be born bisexual. They are attracted to both sexes. But those people can have exclusively hetero or homosexual relationships, which adds to the confusion around "conversion".

Or there's even the more realistic argument that we are all a little bit bisexual: I'm straight as an arrow, and have never had any sort of relationship with another man, not because of any dislike for gay people. Some of my best friends and relatives are gay or lesbian. But when I see an early Brad Pitt movie, I think: Hmmmmm, maybe I could be with the right guy.

In regards to a person's sexual orientation they are what they are.