What do words mean?

Posted by: logtroll

What do words mean? - 09/01/19 01:29 PM

A great many arguments can be traced back to the meanings of words. When there is no shared understanding of the meaning of key words, there can be no discussion.

"Socialism" is a popular subject for argument these days, and it is one of those words around which there is a poorly shared meaning. I wonder what other word might be used for "socialism" (groups of people working together for mutual benefit), as different from "Socialism" (government controlling the means of production), in order to set the stage for rational discussion?
Posted by: Greger

Re: What do words mean? - 09/01/19 05:40 PM

Community is a good word but then it gets turned into communism.
Literally anything done to benefit society is labeled socialism.

E Pluribus Unum used to be popular, then someone noticed the symbol for that was the fasces. A bundle of rods tied together holding an ax head. That didn't play well in anybody's deck.

But yeah...working together to accomplish social goals has become an act of treason. Unless those goals involve harming brown people or getting more money into the hands of the wealthiest people in history.

Those are goals worth killing democrats and dragging them through the streets. The gall of those traitors who want to help the poor and save the environment!
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: What do words mean? - 09/01/19 06:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Greger
...working together to accomplish social goals has become an act of treason.

Conservatives had better never, ever use 911, police or fire, or our Federal highways - least they be labeled hypocrites. coffee
Posted by: logtroll

Re: What do words mean? - 09/01/19 06:32 PM

Strange how quickly serious discussions can be hijacked - it reminds me of a great many blogs that can be found where no discussion ever takes place and that are little more than insult exchanges.
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: What do words mean? - 09/01/19 07:04 PM

I have a quirk (I consider it a good habit) of trying to be very precise in my use of words. That sometimes means I use a word in its academic sense rather than as a colloquial expression. Socialism is a good example. In the world of political science and economics it has a precise meaning, but in an informal discussion it is bandied about as a label, an insult, and a distraction, depending on one's political persuasion. In my lexicon "democratic socialism" and "social democracy" are distinct ideologies with vastly different meanings. Not so in most arenas.

So, I am extremely sympathetic to your concern. In academia entire pages are devoted to setting out terms before a discussion, but not so on the internets. It is a primary failing, but completely understandable (if mutually incomprehensible). Sarcasm is indistinguishable from sincere nuttiness online. As a result people talk past each other, and argue over nuance versus literalism.

I don't know the answer, but I agree it is a problem that needs resolution.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: What do words mean? - 09/01/19 07:53 PM

Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
As a result people talk past each other, and argue over nuance versus literalism.

I would add a third condition - people often don't know what the words they use mean, but are using them out of some dim sense of context. "Capitalism" is one that is, in my observation, thought of broadly as "money", so anything involving money is "capitalism".

"Liberal" and "conservative" also are generally very vague, and indicate only some tribal affinity. The actual atoms comprising both are wildly varied and you would need a thousand permutations to begin to capture the ranges of their reality.

In one of Ayn Rand's B-grade heroic novels (I found most of them pretty entertaining, in spite of the annoying inclusions of awkward philosophy) her character declares that you "have to define your terms", which I took to be insightful. Later, though, I began reading "The Virtue of Selfishness", where on the first page she warped the definition of selfish to such a degree that it took on a meaning contrary to its normal one, which allowed her to use it in ways that justify selfishness... that's not what I previously thought she meant by "define your terms". I think she meant "redefine your terms to support your positions". I never got past page one because I didn't have the interest or energy to relearn English just to read her lame philosophical meanderings.

Unfortunately, such redefinition is tantamount to lying.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: What do words mean? - 09/01/19 08:06 PM



Words change meaning over time - not even Conservatives can agree on what a Conservative is today. Hmm

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
I couldn't care less whether today's "Conservatism" is a bastardized form of neo-classical post paleo Conservatism or whatever it was back in the day of Birchers. I just know what "Conservatism" means today and that means heavy doses of racism and bigotry, while paying as little of their fair share of taxes, and being a Trump supporter. Even the changing definition of what Conservative means has Conservatives in a dither.


smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: What do words mean? - 09/01/19 08:08 PM



Heck, even the word gay has changed. In the 1950s it meant "happy." In the late 1960s it meant "out and proud."

smile

To be rigid to word purity is simply not realistic. Go with the flow...mang. It's all good. laugh
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: What do words mean? - 09/01/19 11:38 PM

What the Left is hoping to accomplish doesn't seem like "socialism" as much as it seems like "New Dealism" polished up nice and shiny for the 21st century.

But cons know that if they keep pounding the pulpit with visions of Cuba or Venezuela, the pulpit pounding eventually pays off. All it takes is a sufficient number of pulpits and enough pounding loud enough to attract attention, and a short, simple and very emotional message:

SOCIALISM VEDDY BAD!!
VENEZUELA - CUBA!!!
DEMOCRATS ARE MARXISTS/SOCIALISTS!!


Our problem is we DON'T HAVE a new word, and we should have come out with that new word a decade ago, and we should have bought or rented tons of pulpits and bought thousands of shoes to pound them with.
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: What do words mean? - 09/02/19 12:01 AM

I was under the impression that "progressive" was the term that was intended to convey social-interest policy ("support for or advocacy of social reform"), as distinguished from "social-ism" which was larded with meanings and implications in political and economic spheres that altered perceptions. I thought it was a good word, and was consonant with the historical antecedents of progressivism from the late 19th and early 20th Century. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: What do words mean? - 09/02/19 12:15 AM

Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
I thought it was a good word, and was consonant with the historical antecedents of progressivism from the late 19th and early 20th Century.

Agreed... as a reaction to the TEAParty emergence, a local, grassroots Progressive party formed in my small town. The draw was the new name, intended to differentiate from Liberal or plain old Democrat. We thought of it as a fresh slate that considerate and conscientious people could use to escape the weaponized labels that were dragging down "the Left". We actually had many productive interactions with the local TEAParty folks, many of who were doing some original thinking for themselves.

Didn't take long for the Kochs and their ilk to dominate the TEAPartiers, though, and to weaponize the word "Progressive". A national takeover of the Progressive label was in play, too, which was decidedly different from the decentralized, thinking for ourselves version.

The best I have been able to do since is to refer to the Trumpites as Regressives - when they object, I ask them, "Are you Progressives, then?" They are so trained to despise "Progressive" that they will shout, HELL, NO!!! We are the complete opposite of Progressives in every way!!!!" So I say, "Isn't that the definition of Regressive?"

I very much like that my favorite Republican was Teddy Roosevelt, a vociferous Progressive.
Posted by: Greger

Re: What do words mean? - 09/02/19 12:34 AM

Chunkstyle has me convinced that I'm not far enough left to consider myself progressive.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: What do words mean? - 09/02/19 12:51 AM


There's a reason why the word obsequious is no longer used much. The English language is alive and changing and progressing - it's not static like someone trying to conserve old timey days gone by ideals. smile
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: What do words mean? - 09/02/19 12:54 AM

There is a strange faulty reasoning going on here: When people claim that Socialism has failed everywhere it's been tried, others point out that Norway has just about the highest standard of living anywhere. Then the original claimants insist that Norway is not socialist. (It's the No True Scotsman argument.)

Then I point out that Bernie and AOC just want the US to be more like Norway, and they scream: SOCIALISTS

Right in the same forum thread, by the same person!

How can you have a logical discussion with that? That's not moving the goal posts, that's like putting them in a different stadium.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: What do words mean? - 09/02/19 01:08 AM

Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
There is a strange faulty reasoning going on here: When people claim that Socialism has failed everywhere it's been tried, others point out that Norway has just about the highest standard of living anywhere. Then the original claimants insist that Norway is not socialist. (It's the No True Scotsman argument.)

Then I point out that Bernie and AOC just want the US to be more like Norway, and they scream: SOCIALISTS

Right in the same forum thread, by the same person!

How can you have a logical discussion with that? That's not moving the goal posts, that's like putting them in a different stadium.

Bow

Norway and the United States have nearly identical GDP per capita.Yet Norway, unlike the United States, enjoys universal health care, child care, and elder care, as well as tuition-free universities, around 12 months of paid parental leave, and a robust social safety net.

Norway’s success is inconvenient for critics of progressive, big-government economic and social policies; Conservatives prefer that the public associate socialism with basket cases such as North Korea and Venezuela and refuse to acknowledge that countries like Norway enjoy a form of socialism. Hmm

Why can't we have nice things like Norway has too? gobsmacked
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: What do words mean? - 09/02/19 06:02 PM

It's our Puritan(ical) roots. "Nice things" are a sign of decadence and bad morals.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: What do words mean? - 09/02/19 06:40 PM

"Lecture" appears to be another word whose meaning is corrupted. A proper lecture is something one attends in order to learn something.

Sometimes people don't learn anything from lectures - I suppose that's either because they are not well enough educated to understand the lecture, or because of some bias that doesn't allow them to learn.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: What do words mean? - 09/02/19 07:51 PM

"Condescending" is another word that doesn't quite mean what folks want to think. As it happens, it doesn't generically apply to a smarter person talking down to a less smarter one. There has to be an element of intent to insult involved.

It came up on a righty blog I was once posting on - but I wasn't usually intending to insult anyone, I was simply asking probing questions and stating facts that my fellow bloggers didn't like (because it undermined their temious bee-ess). For a while, the standard rebuttal to my comments was that they were condescending. So I started paying closer attention, including looking up the word's definition and posting it for everyone to learn from (I was called condescending for that, too). As it happened, many of the unfriendlies were actually attempting to be condescending to me! But for some reason, the desired result of offending me was fleeing without effect.

Because I found that to be immensely interesting, I shared it with the others, pointing out that in order for someone to be condescending to another person, the object of condescension had a functional duty to be complicit in accepting the bestowal.

I then revealed that I had never felt any of them had been condescending to me. It did not make me more popular among them, which was a testament to their incomplete stupidity...
Posted by: logtroll

Re: What do words mean? - 09/05/19 07:26 AM

I have learned recently that:
Republicans are not necessarily Capitalists;
Conservatives may not be Republicans;
Capitalists might not be Conservatives.
Government can’t create wealth;
Socialism never helps anybody;
Capitalism always helps everybody;
Externalization of costs doesn’t exist;
The electoral college has made America great.

Frankly, I’m having a bit of trouble fitting the pieces together into any recognizable or usable form. Mah brane may be too puny for me to ever be a functioning Classical Liberal.

Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: What do words mean? - 09/05/19 10:52 PM

And we've ALWAYS been at war with Eastasia.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: What do words mean? - 09/05/19 11:21 PM

I learned today that fear is preferable to intelligence in the game of survival, according to Classical Liberalism.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: What do words mean? - 09/11/19 01:15 AM

Anybody know what this means?

#PresidentPussyAssBitch
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: What do words mean? - 09/11/19 02:13 AM


Ask John Legend's wife, Chrissy Teigen, she coined the term. coffee
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: What do words mean? - 09/11/19 02:45 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
There is a strange faulty reasoning going on here: When people claim that Socialism has failed everywhere it's been tried, others point out that Norway has just about the highest standard of living anywhere. Then the original claimants insist that Norway is not socialist. (It's the No True Scotsman argument.)

Then I point out that Bernie and AOC just want the US to be more like Norway, and they scream: SOCIALISTS

Right in the same forum thread, by the same person!

How can you have a logical discussion with that? That's not moving the goal posts, that's like putting them in a different stadium.

Bow

Norway and the United States have nearly identical GDP per capita.Yet Norway, unlike the United States, enjoys universal health care, child care, and elder care, as well as tuition-free universities, around 12 months of paid parental leave, and a robust social safety net.

Norway’s success is inconvenient for critics of progressive, big-government economic and social policies; Conservatives prefer that the public associate socialism with basket cases such as North Korea and Venezuela and refuse to acknowledge that countries like Norway enjoy a form of socialism. Hmm

Why can't we have nice things like Norway has too? gobsmacked

The size Norway's population and the population of US might have something to do with why the US does not have the social safety net Norway does. Then there was the wealth that the North Sea oil provided for Norway. It was used to fund the social safety net. As that wealth is reduced by the social safety net the nice things Norway has won't last.
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: What do words mean? - 09/11/19 02:46 AM

Originally Posted By: logtroll
I learned today that fear is preferable to intelligence in the game of survival, according to Classical Liberalism.

If that's what you learned you weren't paying attention.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: What do words mean? - 09/11/19 02:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
The response to fear is an instinct necessary for human survival. Since the amygdala in conservatives is bigger than in others that means they have a better chance at survival than those whose amygdala is smaller than a conservative's is. Thanks for brightening my day by telling me that conservatives have a better chance at survival than liberals do.

Opinions? What is an appropriate response to “fear” that would increase one’s chances of survival? Survival of what?, you might ask. Also, what fear are we talking about? Many fears are imaginary, or arise out of ignorance or bias - how is fear a necessary instinct for survival when a perceived threat is not real?

I fear that conservatives fear too much, and are prone to stupid instinctive responses that result in confusion and collateral damage.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: What do words mean? - 09/11/19 12:40 PM

Primitive instinctive fear is a leverage tool in these modern times that is exploited by predacious con men in pursuit of power. Is that advantageous to survival? It’s doubtful...
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: What do words mean? - 09/11/19 06:10 PM

The fight or flight instinct (fear) is an automatic response that occurs when anyone feels threatened. Whether it is being in a building that is on fire, walking in an unfamiliar area, or watching a scary movie.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: What do words mean? - 09/12/19 12:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
The fight or flight instinct (fear) is an automatic response that occurs when anyone feels threatened. Whether it is being in a building that is on fire, walking in an unfamiliar area, or watching a scary movie.

I think the adrenal glands are associated with the fight or flight response.

Amygdala info

Quote:
In a 2003 study, subjects with borderline personality disorder showed significantly greater left amygdala activity than normal control subjects. Some borderline patients even had difficulties classifying neutral faces or saw them as threatening.


Quote:
Shown in research to perform a primary role in the processing of memory, decision-making and emotional responses (including fear, anxiety, and aggression), the amygdalae are considered part of the limbic system.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: What do words mean? - 09/12/19 12:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
The fight or flight instinct (fear) is an automatic response that occurs when anyone feels threatened. Whether it is being in a building that is on fire, walking in an unfamiliar area, or watching a scary movie.

Yes, but as the scientific study I cited shows, conservatives are ridiculous when it comes to fear and go WAY overboard, and in my opinion, this hyper-sensitivity to fear borders on neuroticism. Hmm

Quote:
Neuroticism is one of the Big Five higher-order personality traits in the study of psychology. Individuals who score high on neuroticism are more likely than average to be moody and to experience such feelings as anxiety, worry, fear, anger, frustration, envy, jealousy, guilt, depressed mood, and loneliness.

Link
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: What do words mean? - 09/12/19 01:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
The fight or flight instinct (fear) is an automatic response that occurs when anyone feels threatened. Whether it is being in a building that is on fire, walking in an unfamiliar area, or watching a scary movie.
or listening to a fear-mongering newscast or pol.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: What do words mean? - 09/12/19 01:05 PM

You mean like this?

A Mexican invasion is coming!

Socialism is going to take over!

Liberals hate religion!

Abortion rips babies out of women's bodies!

Healthcare for all will bankrupt America!
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: What do words mean? - 09/12/19 01:19 PM

Originally Posted By: logtroll
You mean like this?

A Mexican invasion is coming!

Socialism is going to take over!

Liberals hate religion!

Abortion rips babies out of women's bodies!

Healthcare for all will bankrupt America!
Yeah, kinda like that.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: What do words mean? - 09/13/19 12:41 PM

How do you explain things to people with word apoplexy? In the Democratic debates last night the candidates were clearly afraid to say the word “taxes” when explaining their healthcare plans and the math underlying the reason some form of universal coverage would be less expensive.

I read this morning that a majority of voters don’t understand that with a government funded system they wouldn’t have to pay insurance premiums, which would be replaced by taxes, but at a lower cost. The simple explanation should be, for instance, $1000 insurance payments will be replaced by $750 in tax payments.

But the candidates all know that “taxes” is a trigger word, causing brain hemorrhages and unconsciousness in most people.

Warren sort of described it, but in a bit of a confusing roundabout way that sounded like the rich would pay more taxes but regular folks would (mumble, mumble...). I believe the actual math is that the rich would cover the costs for the currently uninsured, while regular folks would pay less than their present costs but to be paid through taxes.

The heated argument about whether people could choose to keep their private insurance if they were happy paying more(?) was not well thought out. Once again, the real issue is that many people are confused about how it would all work, this time conflating choice of heath insurance providers with choice of healthcare providers. The mental picture becomes “I will be forced to pay more taxes and will not have any choice of doctors - SOCIALISM!!”

How do you pass information along to stupid ideologues? It’s a problem...
Posted by: logtroll

Re: What do words mean? - 09/16/19 01:05 PM

Here's a new word that we can make up a definition for: gibbergish.

Quote:
gibbergish

-the intentional blenderizing of facts, opinions, lies, and hyperbole for the purpose of obfuscating clarity, logic, and reason in a discussion.

I'm questioning if gibbergish needs to be intentional, or if it can result from a personality disorder?

Thinking that gibberish is "unintelligible or meaningless speech or writing; nonsense" that has no purpose, so gibbergish would be similar but with a purpose, hence it would be intentional.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: What do words mean? - 09/16/19 01:09 PM

A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
The man who is always waving the flag usually waives what it stands for. -Laurence J. Peter, educator and author (16 Sep 1919-1990)
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: What do words mean? - 09/16/19 02:53 PM

Originally Posted By: logtroll
A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
The man who is always waving the flag usually waives what it stands for. -Laurence J. Peter, educator and author (16 Sep 1919-1990)
I like this one very much.
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: What do words mean? - 09/17/19 02:16 AM

Originally Posted By: logtroll
How do you explain things to people with word apoplexy? In the Democratic debates last night the candidates were clearly afraid to say the word “taxes” when explaining their healthcare plans and the math underlying the reason some form of universal coverage would be less expensive.

I read this morning that a majority of voters don’t understand that with a government funded system they wouldn’t have to pay insurance premiums, which would be replaced by taxes, but at a lower cost. The simple explanation should be, for instance, $1000 insurance payments will be replaced by $750 in tax payments.

But the candidates all know that “taxes” is a trigger word, causing brain hemorrhages and unconsciousness in most people.

Warren sort of described it, but in a bit of a confusing roundabout way that sounded like the rich would pay more taxes but regular folks would (mumble, mumble...). I believe the actual math is that the rich would cover the costs for the currently uninsured, while regular folks would pay less than their present costs but to be paid through taxes.

The heated argument about whether people could choose to keep their private insurance if they were happy paying more(?) was not well thought out. Once again, the real issue is that many people are confused about how it would all work, this time conflating choice of heath insurance providers with choice of healthcare providers. The mental picture becomes “I will be forced to pay more taxes and will not have any choice of doctors - SOCIALISM!!”

How do you pass information along to stupid ideologues? It’s a problem...
One reason I would be opposed to this is the old saying "Jack of all trades, master of none." When our government is asked to do too much it will not do anything well. It is better to keep our government small so that it can do a good job. "It's better to do a few things right than to do a hundred things wrong."
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: What do words mean? - 09/17/19 03:29 AM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
One reason I would be opposed to this is the old saying "Jack of all trades, master of none."

Yet you have no qualms about how the government runs the military, post office, federal police force, highway system, or social security.

Hmm
Posted by: logtroll

Re: What do words mean? - 09/17/19 11:32 AM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
One reason I would be opposed to this is the old saying "Jack of all trades, master of none." When our government is asked to do too much it will not do anything well. It is better to keep our government small so that it can do a good job. "It's better to do a few things right than to do a hundred things wrong."

That’s an astonishing bit of gibbergish right there. Complete temiosity, not even a tenuous relationship to anything factual or useful. And it’s off the topic of “what do words mean?”

Maybe it was meant to demonstrate the meaning of “blenderize”, or “gibbergish”?
Posted by: Ujest Shurly

Re: What do words mean? - 09/17/19 01:53 PM

In keeping with this thread's topic, what does "Temiosity" mean?

A quick check of the dictionary shows nothing for this word(?) Have not checked the OED. Is it supposed to be something to do with timidity?
Posted by: logtroll

Re: What do words mean? - 09/17/19 02:29 PM

"Temious" is a new word, invented right here on RR a number of years ago. As far as I know, the only dictionary carrying it so far is the Urban Dictionary.

Its first use in the history of the world was in RR post #181062 on May 6, 2011. It's original unrefined meaning was, "Something pulled out of one's ass".

I announced it publicly in RR post #195256 on September 24, 2011. Greger had early intel on temious, and he's the one who crafted the completely temious, yet very believable definition that is in the Urban Dictionary.

Search the RR site for the word for a thorough discussion of its meaning and use.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: What do words mean? - 09/17/19 03:00 PM



Are we being asked to believe that a RR poster invented the word "temious" sometime after April 26, 2010, but before being publicly announced on September 24, 2011, that it became so well known outside of Reader Rant in a matter of three days prior to said public announcement, some random named Sidheman, happened-by RR during that time, and posted it to Urban Dictionary on September 21, 2011.

Quote:
I announced it publicly in RR post #195256 on September 24, 2011. Greger had early intel on temious, and he's the one who crafted the completely temious, yet very believable definition that is in the Urban Dictionary.


I guess so. coffee
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: What do words mean? - 09/17/19 05:37 PM

Oh, believe! Believe! LOL
Posted by: logtroll

Re: What do words mean? - 11/15/19 12:22 PM

What is the difference between the following words?

Quid pro quo: offering something for something, like offering a penny for your thought.

Bribery: coercing someone to do something that they don’t really want to do by offering them something that they really want. It also happens to be stated in the Constitution in reference to impeachment.

Extortion: the coercion of something from someone by force or threats of harm, such as withholding vital assistance that had been authorized by Congress.
Posted by: Greger

Re: What do words mean? - 11/15/19 05:13 PM

Quote:
What is the difference...?


Circumstances.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: What do words mean? - 11/18/19 12:41 AM

I suppose that might have something to do with it!

Here's my thinking:

Quid pro quo is a deal between willing traders.

Bribery is the overcoming of ethics or integrity by offering something hard to refuse.

Extortion is force...
Posted by: Greger

Re: What do words mean? - 11/18/19 02:48 AM

It looks like extortion to me.

Remember, the Ukrainian president has less political experience than Trump. He's a reality tv star who played a schoolteacher who got elected president...who got elected president.

You can see why he looked like easy pickin's to Trump's corrupt inner circle.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: What do words mean? - 11/18/19 06:05 AM

Originally Posted By: Greger
It looks like extortion to me.

Remember, the Ukrainian president has less political experience than Trump. He's a reality tv star who played a schoolteacher who got elected president...who got elected president.

You can see why he looked like easy pickin's to Trump's corrupt inner circle.


I thought it was some kind of sitcom, not a reality tee vee show.
A reality show?? Geezus, I wish countries would stop picking goddamned celebrities as presidents! If we're going to go that route, put Bill Maher on the ticket!
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: What do words mean? - 11/18/19 11:51 PM

I keep saying, George Clooney is the celeb you want. He's actually rich, has a beautiful non-whore wife with a very sophisticated career, is a man of the people (more or less, see Brother, Where Art Thou?), and the humility to know he needs expert help. And holy crap, would women ever vote for him!

If we are going to elect TV and Movie Stars as President, we could do a hell of a lot worse.
Posted by: Greger

Re: What do words mean? - 11/19/19 02:14 AM

Please...no movie stars and no billionaires. I want career politicians who have shown themselves to be natural leaders. They need to be good orators, look good on television and popular with A-listers.

AOC is one to watch and Pete Buttigieg is another. These are the folks who should be rising to the top of the political food chain, not someone who got rich and famous doing something entirely unrelated to governing.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: What do words mean? - 11/21/19 01:59 AM

I agree, if only to have people in office who have the slightest clue how the government works and what is illegal. It wouldn't be a bad idea to amend the Constitution to say that Presidents had a prerequisite of serving as a governor or Senator for two full terms without impeachment or indictment.

I should have said: "If we are going to be idiots and elect TV and Movie Stars as President..."