ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria

Posted by: pdx rick

ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 10/27/19 07:13 PM

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The leader of the Islamic State militant group, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, was killed during a U.S. special operations forces raid in northwestern Syria, U.S. President Donald Trump announced Sunday morning.

“Last night, the United States brought the world’s No. 1 terrorist to justice. … He was a sick and depraved man, and now he’s gone,” Trump said at the White House Oct. 27, noting that the United States had no casualties during the operation. “The world is now a much safer place.”

- Foreign Policy.com


Because this is about Trump, there's more to the story - as usual.

Pelosi says Trump kept lawmakers in dark on raid

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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is criticizing the White House for failing to notify congressional leaders before the U.S. raid in Syria that President Donald Trump says killed the leader of the Islamic State group.

She notes that the U.S. let Russia know the raid was in the works.


What does Russia have to say about this?

We Have 'Valid Doubts About The Reality And Success' Of ISIS Raid

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The Russian Federation's military said on Sunday that it had "valid doubts" about President Donald Trump's claim that ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi had been killed.

In a speech from the White House on Sunday, Trump first thanked Russia for its assistance in the raid. According to Trump, Russia had allowed U.S. aircraft into its airspace to conduct the operation.

But later on Sunday, the Russian military indicated that it was unaware of the raid, according to BBC reporter Steve Rosenberg.

A spokesperson for the Russian military said there were "valid doubts about the reality & success" of the U.S. operation.

“We are not aware of any assistance having being given to US Air Force flights into the air space of the Idlib de-escalation zone in this operation,” a source in the Russian defense ministry added.


...and how would this, yet another Trump cluster-fck, not be complete with Trump's very own photo-op 'victory' ala Obama's bin Ladin Situation Room photo?



Guys, at least plug the cables into computers to make it seem like you all watched the take-down in real-time. Hmm

Such amateurs. coffee
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 10/27/19 07:20 PM



Trump 2020:
incompetent, indecisive, intolerant and ineffective

smile
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 10/27/19 07:33 PM

Trump's claim that "he died like a dog" was probably not the best idea, considering that the ISIS leader died when he detonated a suicide vest, surrounded by his three young children. Seems like Trump was celebrating the murder of innocent children. I think that was unnecessarily inflammatory for a lot of Muslims, considering their attitude toward dogs as unclean. It's sort of like saying we killed him and then peed on his family's mass grave. It could have been announced in a much more dignified manner.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 10/27/19 08:06 PM



Bin Laden developed the entire philosophy of the Islamic State & a terror caliphate, massacred 3,000 American citizens, led to the loss of 7,000 US soldiers and led to founding of ISIS. Baghdadi was not in his league as far as historical impact.

Hmm
Posted by: jgw

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 10/27/19 09:21 PM

I guess I will remind about the founding of ISIS. When we decided to invade Iraq we dropped millions of notices on Iraq. I used to have one but lost it (wife probably put it into a safe place). Anyway, these notes were to the Iraqi army. It said that if they stayed out of the way, when we attacked they would be made whole, be paid, and otherwise accepted. The Iraqi army then stayed out of it and we didn't have to fight them. What we did, instead, was to go back on our promise and fired the whole lot of them as soon as we took over. I remember when the entire Iraqi army officer corps rioted over this. We just put down the riots and ignored them. That same office corps later became ISIS.

Just one more promise we ignored and didn't keep (we have a long and disgraceful history of this kind of behavior). Why in the world would anybody believe us? If they doubted before after Trump I figure there won't even be a question as to our word.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 10/27/19 11:27 PM



There was never an ISIS until we invaded sovereign Iraq in March 2003 because 15 of 19 9/11 highjackers were Saudis. Then, to make matters even worse, L Paul Bremmer fired all of the Iraqi police and military three months after our invasion as Provisional Authority Colaition No 2.

Those tactically trained men sure did not go open falafel carts - they formed ISIS.

(Just another Republican mess created coffee )

Posted by: Ujest Shurly

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 10/28/19 01:31 PM

There was just so much wrong and disappointing about President Donald (...) Trump's comments on this action.

Just one point out of the many dumb ass mistakes made, exposed capabilities of some of our most sensitive Intel equipment and community; making the US less safe and providing a bench mark for our enemies to shoot for.

I will congratulate our Spec Ops for another job well done.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 10/28/19 01:49 PM



Trump's Baghdadi presser was a shyteshow as you would expect.

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Trump spent a lot of time after his prepared remarks offering more information than his administration would’ve surely preferred. Here are just a few examples:
  • “Two or three efforts” to get Baghdadi were scrapped over a few weeks because of the terrorist leader’s unpredictable movements.
  • Before the raid, the US knew that Baghdad’s compound had tunnels through which he might try to escape.
  • US troops blew a hole through a door in order to go inside the compound.
  • The US had more DNA than it needed to verify that the one of the men killed in the raid was Baghdadi.
  • The US killed scores of people in Baghdadi’s circle and captured others.
  • The US used eight helicopters and other ships and planes to help with the strike.


Hmm
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 10/29/19 04:40 AM




It turns out that The Kurds, you know that folks the US has been working with for decades that Trump decided on his own to abandon a few weeks ago, were instrumental in the location of Bagdahdi so that US Special Forces could kill him. (Actually a Special Forces K9 deserves THAT credit. smile )

In typical Trump assholery fashion, Trump discounted The Kurds role:

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The Kurds provided some information on the whereabouts of Bagdahdi.


Posted by: jgw

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/08/20 07:29 PM

You neglected to mention that, before we invaded we dropped flyers telling the police and army to stay out of it and they would be just fine and still have jobs. THEN we fired them all!
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/08/20 09:21 PM

Originally Posted By: jgw
You neglected to mention that, before we invaded we dropped flyers telling the police and army to stay out of it and they would be just fine and still have jobs. THEN we fired them all!


Paul Bremer, acting on orders from BushCo.
Yeah, maybe the absolute dumbest move imaginable.
It helped create the very enemy we wound up fighting, much to the sheer joy and cheer of all the defense contractors, of course.

Winning an actual bonafide congressionally declared war is unprofitable, and it comes with rules and standards.
It's much more profitable to just not declare it as a real war and just use continuing AUF's and leave it open-ended.
No need for real objectives, and the money train never stops no matter how badly we conduct ourselves.

We have managed to make endless war a consumer product and it's a truly monstrous vocation.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/12/20 11:25 AM


The Trump Administration insists Soleimani was an “imminent” threat. Just don’t ask for details or proof. coffee
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/12/20 11:28 AM

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“Erik Prince, the Blackwater-founder-turned-unofficial-2016-Trump-campaign-adviser, advocated to the campaign years ago for the killing of Iranian commander Qasem Soleimani, according to a recently disclosed memo that reveals some of the earliest thinking circulated within Donald Trump’s team regarding his approach to Iran..."

- CNN.com
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/12/20 11:32 AM




Trump was given a 'menu' of options for the Iran strike that included ships, missile facilities, and militia groups - of course Fatass Trump choose the extreme option. coffee
Posted by: Ujest Shurly

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/12/20 12:51 PM

Why, of course. He wanted to show that he is tough, that he, President Donald (Coward**, ...) Trump*, is a war-time president.


*Impeached.
**He does have Yellow skin.
Posted by: CPWILL

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/12/20 03:58 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
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“Erik Prince, the Blackwater-founder-turned-unofficial-2016-Trump-campaign-adviser, advocated to the campaign years ago for the killing of Iranian commander Qasem Soleimani, according to a recently disclosed memo that reveals some of the earliest thinking circulated within Donald Trump’s team regarding his approach to Iran..."

- CNN.com


(shrug) Erik Prince isn't much of an advisor, since no one seems willing to give him what he keeps asking for (management of a war somewhere).


That being said, the person I'm aware of who was a senior advisor who probably had A) the most credibility here and B) was one of the hardest voices in the room for pushing back against Iran in a manner like this was Secretary of Defense Mattis, back before he resigned.
Posted by: CPWILL

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/12/20 04:01 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick



Trump was given a 'menu' of options for the Iran strike that included ships, missile facilities, and militia groups - of course Fatass Trump choose the extreme option. coffee



smile Actually Trump has pulled back several times - a consistent problem with him when dealing with Iran is that he has been, if anything, timid, and they perceived that this administration - like the previous one - no longer had red lines it is willing to enforce.

If we had reacted to the downing of the U.S. Drone and attacks against shipping back in the summer more strongly, we probably wouldn't be in this position now. But, we pulled back at the last second and, so, here we are.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/12/20 09:35 PM

Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Actually Trump has pulled back several times - a consistent problem with him when dealing with Iran...

...until faced with impeachment and now removal in the Senate. smile

Now, it's a completely different story. Conservatives wanted a strike on an Iranian asset in order to secure a non-removal in the Senate. Just more Republican quid pro quo for you. Hmm
Posted by: CPWILL

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/21/20 03:32 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Actually Trump has pulled back several times - a consistent problem with him when dealing with Iran...

...until faced with impeachment and now removal in the Senate. smile

Now, it's a completely different story. Conservatives wanted a strike on an Iranian asset in order to secure a non-removal in the Senate. Just more Republican quid pro quo for you. Hmm


Like the vast majority of the country, "Conservatives" had no idea we were about to strike Soleimani until we did it. Those who were part of the strike may tend to lean conservative, but include representatives from both major political leans.

As for the idea that Trump would have otherwise been removed by the Republican-dominated Senate.... that a supermajority of that body was ready to vote for removal and simply failed to mention this... only changing their minds Because Soleimani.... I find that... shall we say, exceedingly unlikely, though I would love to see any citation you can provide that a majority of Republican Senators were ready to remove the President prior to the strike.

The strike on Solemani has had no appreciable effect on impeachment proceedings, which were previously not going to result in removal, and which are still not going to result in removal.
Posted by: Greger

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/21/20 04:48 AM

The distraction fizzled when Iran didn't take the bait.

He'da been a wartime president, a hero, you can't impeach a hero!

A shoo in for re-election...*sighs* It's a friggin reality show is all it is. Hannity feeds him his lines.
Posted by: Greger

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/21/20 07:11 PM

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We have managed to make endless war a consumer product and it's a truly monstrous vocation.


I just thought that needed to be repeated.
Posted by: jgw

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/21/20 07:58 PM

I hate to say it but, it seems that our endless war started when we decided to fight a war in the Middle East. Then we got contaminated by the great Muslim war. There is a solution:

GET THE HELL OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST - ALL THE WAY OUT!
Posted by: CPWILL

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/22/20 02:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Greger
The distraction fizzled when Iran didn't take the bait.


That's the fun part of conspiracy theory logic. Even evidence against the Hypothesis is Just Proof Of How Good They Are.

Had we gotten into a shooting war with Iran, that would have been a high negative.

There remains:

No evidence whatsoever that Trump was ever likely to be removed prior to the strike.

No evidence whatsoever that the strike has in any meaningful way impacted impeachment proceedings.

No evidence whatsoever in favor of this particular conspiracy theory.
Posted by: rporter314

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/22/20 05:30 AM

Have to agree.

Prince is just another corrupt businessman looking for ways to make a buck from the skein of corruption surrounding this WH. He's already rich ... and the world is not enough. But privatize the military would be ok with him ... and just think ... Mr Trump believes in a mercenary military ... could be a portend of lots of benjamins

There has been a long standing anti-Iran faction of advisors, politicians, and political thinkers in this country. Nothing really new about it. Kill them ... kill them all ... I think that is their motto
Posted by: rporter314

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/22/20 05:35 AM

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As for the idea that Trump would have otherwise been removed by the Republican-dominated Senate ...
Now whatever you fill in the blank with ... the last word would be ABSURD!!!!!

I guarantee if Mr Trump strolled onto the Senate floor with a nice beaming halo and started shooting Democrats, no Republican would stop him and all of them would say that it was not an impeachable offense.

And that is the state of play in America today.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/22/20 01:25 PM

Originally Posted By: CPWILL
There remains:

No evidence whatsoever that Trump was ever likely to be removed prior to the strike.

No evidence whatsoever that the strike has in any meaningful way impacted impeachment proceedings.

No evidence whatsoever in favor of this particular conspiracy theory.

One important consideration that your assessment leaves out is; what was Trump thinking?

There were plenty of signs that he was (and still is) extremely concerned about being impeached. Seems that the most obvious answer for his assassination of Soleimani was a combination of a pathological need to lash out coupled with a long-standing strategic mini-plan to have a few easy to implement, dramatic “protect the nation against the bad guys” cans of whupass on the shelf for emergencies.

My leading “conspiracy theory” is that The Impetuous One indulged in a can of whupass to try and make himself feel better.

Only a naive intellectual would expect Trump’s actions to have any rational origins. dunce
Posted by: CPWILL

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/22/20 11:48 PM

Originally Posted By: logtroll
Originally Posted By: CPWILL
There remains:

No evidence whatsoever that Trump was ever likely to be removed prior to the strike.

No evidence whatsoever that the strike has in any meaningful way impacted impeachment proceedings.

No evidence whatsoever in favor of this particular conspiracy theory.

One important consideration that your assessment leaves out is; what was Trump thinking?


:shrug: probably not too terribly much. Trump tends to make decisions on instinct.

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There were plenty of signs that he was (and still is) extremely concerned about being impeached. Seems that the most obvious answer for his assassination of Soleimani was a combination of a pathological need to lash out coupled with a long-standing strategic mini-plan to have a few easy to implement, dramatic “protect the nation against the bad guys” cans of whupass on the shelf for emergencies.

[quote]My leading “conspiracy theory” is that The Impetuous One indulged in a can of whupass to try and make himself feel better.

Only a naive intellectual would expect Trump’s actions to have any rational origins. dunce



You contradict yourself: Either Trump is an impetuous actor who makes decisions without deep rational exercise of thought... Or Trump is a thoughtful planner who makes reasoned assessments regarding the likely foreign and domestic impacts of his decisions and makes long-term decisions accordingly (such as the "mini strategy"'s you suggest). He is not both.

Frankly, the former is correct. If you want to argue that "Okay, the intel and military communities may have said X Y and Z, but Trump was super duper secretly thinking about impeachment!", well, that's a non-falsifiable statement. Which, indeed, as you suggest, would put it in the same category as other conspiracy theories.
Posted by: CPWILL

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/22/20 11:50 PM

Originally Posted By: rporter314
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As for the idea that Trump would have otherwise been removed by the Republican-dominated Senate ...
Now whatever you fill in the blank with ... the last word would be ABSURD!!!!!

I guarantee if Mr Trump strolled onto the Senate floor with a nice beaming halo and started shooting Democrats, no Republican would stop him and all of them would say that it was not an impeachable offense.

And that is the state of play in America today.



laugh I think you'd have a few Republicans defect at that point, though, yes, you'd have some who would ask what the Democrats had done to deserve such a thing, and why the President was forced to defend himself in that manner, before declaring that Nothing Mattered Because He Hadn't Been Found Guilty In A Court Of Law laugh


And the same is generally true of all of us here in the U.S. today. Tribalism is a helluva drug.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/23/20 12:40 AM

Originally Posted By: CPWILL
You contradict yourself:

Nuh-uh. Trump had him some advisors early on who would have known about keeping some ducks in the pond to shoot, and I expect he also had known the trick of getting some backup grenades in stock in preparation for contingencies from his other life as a mob boss.

It's a perfect theory...
Posted by: CPWILL

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/23/20 05:14 AM

Originally Posted By: logtroll
Originally Posted By: CPWILL
You contradict yourself:

Nuh-uh. Trump had him some advisors early on who would have known about keeping some ducks in the pond to shoot, and I expect he also had known the trick of getting some backup grenades in stock in preparation for contingencies from his other life as a mob boss.

It's a perfect theory...



Yeah, this reminds me of the "George Bush is a drooling idiot who can't string two words together but also an evil genius capably plotting world domination by manipulating entire regions" arguments that I heard back during the W administration. :roll:
Posted by: logtroll

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/23/20 01:44 PM

Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Yeah, this reminds me of the "George Bush is a drooling idiot who can't string two words together but also an evil genius capably plotting world domination by manipulating entire regions" arguments that I heard back during the W administration. :roll:

It doesn’t remind me of that. I can barely even pronounce “hyperbole”.
wink
Posted by: Greger

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/23/20 06:36 PM

George Bush...the compassionate conservative...almost as though he recognized that conservative are devoid of compassion or empathy.

I like the guy, I really do. His only mistake, as I see it, was asking Dick Cheney to find someone to run as VP in his campaign. He could have and should have been remembered as a great president but for that.

He wasn't an evil genius, he wasn't a drooling idiot. He was a man. On September 11, 2001 he was reading to schoolchildren and probably having the time of his life when we were attacked by Saudi Arabian dissidents and their Jihadi friends. What followed was unfortunate.

He did the best he could and I mighta done the same if I was in his shoes and advised by the same people. Like him, I'm not all that bright and easily led astray...We all bought into that bulls*t about WMDs and we saw the blurry maps with an arrow pointed at a dark spot and labeled WMDS, and we all heard kindly old Colin Powell beseech the world and we all panicked. Just as we were meant to panic, and Halliburton profits soared. Fecking fools.

I said a lot of bad things about him during his administration because a lot of bad decisions were made. Decisions which cost thousands of lives, some innocent, some not. Decisions which effected the world economy and cost many people their homes, businesses, and fortunes.

But I've forgiven W because he was just a man pushed into a job that was way above his skill set.

Donald Trump is a different story. Me and Michelle Obama are never going to be his friend. He's not an evil genius, he's merely evil.

That much is pretty much apparent to everyone. I don't need to go much beyond that. He's the third generation patriarch of a white criminal family, a real estate magnate, a slumlord. A millionaire playboy who loved the limelight so much that he became a reality teevee star whose pushy bullying arrogant demeanor made him much loved among the pushy bullying arrogant republicans who watched such drivel on their teevee sets.

Anyway...here we are.

I'm feckin' over it y'know? I'm rooting for Trump to win because that's the quickest way I see to burn this MutherPhuck*r to the ground and start over.
Posted by: Hamish Howl

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/23/20 08:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Greger


I'm feckin' over it y'know? I'm rooting for Trump to win because that's the quickest way I see to burn this MutherPhuck*r to the ground and start over.


Makes the assumption that we'd recover.
Posted by: Greger

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/23/20 08:51 PM

Lotta times a drunk or a drug addict has to hit rock bottom before recovery can begin. We're headed there one way or another.

Some are never able to recover and sometimes recovery isn't what you think it might be.
Posted by: Hamish Howl

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/23/20 08:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Greger
Lotta times a drunk or a drug addict has to hit rock bottom before recovery can begin. We're headed there one way or another.

Some are never able to recover and sometimes recovery isn't what you think it might be.


It's not a valid analogy.

Stop food transportation in a nation of 327,000,000 people for just 12 hours and see what happens.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/23/20 10:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
Originally Posted By: Greger
Lotta times a drunk or a drug addict has to hit rock bottom before recovery can begin. We're headed there one way or another.

Some are never able to recover and sometimes recovery isn't what you think it might be.

It's not a valid analogy.

Stop food transportation in a nation of 327,000,000 people for just 12 hours and see what happens.

Food fight? Or just go to Puerto Rico - there's warehouses full of food there.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/23/20 11:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Greger


I'm feckin' over it y'know? I'm rooting for Trump to win because that's the quickest way I see to burn this MutherPhuck*r to the ground and start over.


I hope you don't interpret this as a slam but in my sixty-two years I've learned one thing: Those who really intend to burn it to the ground never utter a word about it. You just wake up to the smell of burning tires and tear gas and the sound of bullhorns and sirens one morning, and you realize "it's on like Donkey Kong."

The ones who utter those phrases the most are the least likely to take up a position at the barricades.

I'm too old and my wife and kids are too vulnerable to be able to afford "Life During Wartime". Had you asked in 1995, I probably would have jumped at the chance if it was "reelect Trump 1996".
Posted by: Greger

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/24/20 01:55 AM

You imagine 4 more years of Trump to be the end of the world?
I don't.

Maybe you think Biden is gonna be a great president and in 2024 he'll step down and be replaced by another Democrat and America will be great again. Yay Democrats!

Nothing ever seems to come up roses like that.

Biden is as close to being a Republican as you can get and still be a Democrat. Apparently that's what Democrats want. To be like Republicans. Fine. Ya'll go on without me.
Posted by: Greger

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/24/20 02:13 AM

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Stop food transportation in a nation of 327,000,000 people for just 12 hours and see what happens.

Now, that would be rock bottom wouldn't it? Do you think Mitch McConnell would let the senate vote on getting traffic moving again?
Have you heard of the devastation in the trucking industry?

What we are doing is simply not sustainable. Yet we continue to fight against change.

Eventually the grits is gonna hit the pan and that's gonna be all she wrote. Vote Biden Today! Save the world some other time, or not...no matter...it'll all take care of itself.
Posted by: Hamish Howl

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/24/20 02:20 AM

Originally Posted By: Greger

Now, that would be rock bottom wouldn't it?


If by "rock bottom" you mean "a thousand years of darkness", then yes.
Posted by: Ken Condon

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/24/20 02:22 AM

Apparently that's what Democrats want. To be like Republicans. Fine. Ya'll go on without me.

So what might you propose? To make it all better......
Posted by: Greger

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/24/20 02:29 AM

To start? Nominate Warren or Bernie.
Posted by: Ken Condon

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/24/20 02:59 AM

Does that even have the vaguest chance of succeeding? Talking about the general. Given the EC and all.

That is the greatest trick of all. In the general getting through to the folks in the “heartland”.......us coasters by design matter not a smidgeon.

That hurts.... but it is the way it is.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/24/20 03:41 AM

Originally Posted By: Greger
To start? Nominate Warren or Bernie.


I'm trying, just like a gazillion others are.
We might get lucky and he might win, or we might not get that lucky and another candidate might get the nomination.
Sorry, if we're not lucky enough to put Bernie or Warren over the top, I do not see that as justification for staying home and letting Trump get another four years.
Posted by: CPWILL

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/24/20 04:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: Greger


I'm feckin' over it y'know? I'm rooting for Trump to win because that's the quickest way I see to burn this MutherPhuck*r to the ground and start over.


I hope you don't interpret this as a slam but in my sixty-two years I've learned one thing: Those who really intend to burn it to the ground never utter a word about it. You just wake up to the smell of burning tires and tear gas and the sound of bullhorns and sirens one morning, and you realize "it's on like Donkey Kong."

The ones who utter those phrases the most are the least likely to take up a position at the barricades.

I'm too old and my wife and kids are too vulnerable to be able to afford "Life During Wartime". Had you asked in 1995, I probably would have jumped at the chance if it was "reelect Trump 1996".


Pretty much this. I've seen breakdown of society, civil war, and what it does to a people. Anyone wishing for that is ignorant, or satanic.
Posted by: CPWILL

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/24/20 04:43 AM

Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
Originally Posted By: Greger

Now, that would be rock bottom wouldn't it?


If by "rock bottom" you mean "a thousand years of darkness", then yes.


I don't know if it would take us a thousand. We'd have the rest of the world to keep technological knowledge, etc., alive.

Very plausibly we'd lose about 2/3rds to 3/4ths of our population, though. We'd cease being "the United States of America" for some time.
Posted by: Hamish Howl

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/24/20 04:48 AM

Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
Originally Posted By: Greger

Now, that would be rock bottom wouldn't it?


If by "rock bottom" you mean "a thousand years of darkness", then yes.


I don't know if it would take us a thousand. We'd have the rest of the world to keep technological knowledge, etc., alive.


Assuming the resulting economic devastation doesn't drag everyone else down with us.

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Very plausibly we'd lose about 2/3rds to 3/4ths of our population, though. We'd cease being "the United States of America" for some time.


Best case scenario.
Posted by: CPWILL

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/24/20 05:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
Originally Posted By: Greger

Now, that would be rock bottom wouldn't it?


If by "rock bottom" you mean "a thousand years of darkness", then yes.


I don't know if it would take us a thousand. We'd have the rest of the world to keep technological knowledge, etc., alive.


Assuming the resulting economic devastation doesn't drag everyone else down with us.


Oh, everyone else would face economic disaster as well. Simply not likely civilization-ending as what would be occurring here.

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Very plausibly we'd lose about 2/3rds to 3/4ths of our population, though. We'd cease being "the United States of America" for some time.


Best case scenario.


Depends. We grow lots of food in this country, and many people would likely be able to flee to neighboring nations.
Posted by: Greger

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/24/20 09:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Ken Condon
Does that even have the vaguest chance of succeeding? Talking about the general. Given the EC and all.

That is the greatest trick of all. In the general getting through to the folks in the “heartland”.......us coasters by design matter not a smidgeon.

That hurts.... but it is the way it is.


Warren or Sanders might or might not win. Biden might or might not win.

'Bout a 50% chance all the way around. 'Bout a 50% chance that a thousand years of darkness are headed our way if we don't start taking global warming seriously. Extinction is looking imminent. The Doomsday CLock was just moved forward by scientists.
The President has just asked the world to pay no attention to the prophets of doom, speaking specifically about the children of the world begging for leaders to do something about what appears to be impending disaster.

Even the children can see it coming.

Nominating Warren or Sanders would be an indication that enough of society cares about where we're headed to begin electing leaders who might begin to mitigate some of the problems. An indication we might escape extinction.
Posted by: Hamish Howl

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/24/20 09:35 PM

Originally Posted By: CPWILL

Depends. We grow lots of food in this country, and many people would likely be able to flee to neighboring nations.


Doesn't matter how much food there is, if it's 400 miles away and unable to get to you.
Posted by: Greger

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/24/20 10:58 PM

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I've seen breakdown of society, civil war, and what it does to a people. Anyone wishing for that is ignorant, or satanic.


Wishing for continued republican rule is pretty much wishing for all of this.
Posted by: CPWILL

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/25/20 04:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Greger
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I've seen breakdown of society, civil war, and what it does to a people. Anyone wishing for that is ignorant, or satanic.


Wishing for continued republican rule is pretty much wishing for all of this.


If you think what we have now is anything close to that, then, respectfully, you belong in the "ignorant" bucket described above.
Posted by: CPWILL

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/25/20 04:27 AM

Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
Originally Posted By: CPWILL

Depends. We grow lots of food in this country, and many people would likely be able to flee to neighboring nations.


Doesn't matter how much food there is, if it's 400 miles away and unable to get to you.


400 Miles isn't that impossible to travel - see: Millions of Syrians in Turkey and other refugees in Europe.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/25/20 11:37 AM

Posted by: Greger

Re: ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Special Operations Raid in Northern Syria - 01/25/20 06:39 PM

Republican Utopia!