The Midterms

Posted by: jgw

The Midterms - 10/08/18 06:36 PM

The midterms are not far away. Its generally agreed that the Dems should win it all. If that happens then the Republicans will get to deal with any number of investigations that need to take place publicly. The Republicans, being well aware that they are kinda vulnerable to attack due to lies, insinuation, and partisan fiction, have a plan.

They have now started to deal with that. The first step is to announce that the Chinese are heavily involved in the midterm elections - they just did that one last week. An interesting aside is that there is absolutely no evidence of this, doesn't matter. The experts of gaslighting are starting up with this one and, when they are done, nobody will know what the hell is going on. It will also be known that them bad Chinese have been up to something incredibly dangerous to us all and have, somehow managed to fix it so that the Dems won the election. That being the case (no facts, no nuth'in but, obviously, true) the midterm elections will be called invalid and all sitting republicans will keep their seats until its all worked out. That will last until the election of 2020 when, yet again, China is going to interfere. Oh, them damned Dems are also going to be investigated for colluding with the Chinese and their despicable plan to subvert American Democracy.

Oh, the demonization of ALL Democrats has already begun. Dems are Evil, they are colluding with the Chinese, also rioting, lying and cheating - according to Jackass.

By then we (voters from the Right certified by a commission created for that purpose) will realize that Donald Trump (Jackass) has been working overtime to fix the problem and, with the help of most of the National Guard and American Army, has things under control whilst incarcerating all claimed miscreants into the 'camps' built between 2018 and 2020 capable of handling well over 200,000 traitors. It might be noticed that most miscreants will have been voters from the Left, Socialists, Communists, Progressives, etc. Once things calm down (probably another 5 years) judges will be appointed and blame fixed on the incarcerated traitors. Said traitors will then be sent to another place (executed).

Oh, by that time we may, or may not, be at war with them sneaky Chinese who were, obviously, the root of all these problems. This, of course, will be determined by the degree of insanity running everything.
Posted by: Greger

Re: The Midterms - 10/09/18 08:05 PM

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Its generally agreed that the Dems should win it all.


By whom?

Democrats will gain seats in the house. The popular hope is that they will gain control but I'm skeptical. Trump is universally hated by Democrats but the majority of Republican voters still like him. A lot of red districts are still safely red.

The Senate isn't looking particularly good for Democrats. They may gain one seat, they may lose one seat...They will certainly not gain control. Most of the 30 seats up for grabs this time around are Democratic seats.

China...I think Trump himself tossed this out there with no evidence.

There's always some conspiracy theory about the party in power declaring martial law in order to cancel elections. And always someone willing to pass it along.

I'm not really certain I want Democrats to seize control of the legislative branch just yet. Republicans are steady f*cking up everything they touch, but the train is still on the tracks. The economy is good, they haven't suffered any consequences besides pissing off Democrats. Eventually conservative policy will begin to impact the economy. It took Bush nearly eight years to wreck it.
Trump is on target to do it in four.

We may enter a shooting war with China by then. No one wants that. We can't even win wars against pissant little Middle Eastern countries, China would mop the floor with us. Despite all the military spending we hear about, most of that goes to private industry and new, ever more expensive and untested weapons systems. Our actual military hasn't changed much since WW2. Our most expensive planes can't fly at night or in the rain.

2020 may be the better year for Democrats to "win it all".
Posted by: jgw

Re: The Midterms - 10/09/18 10:08 PM

First, I posted this in the crazy conspiracy section. The Dems, and media, are claiming that the Dems should score bigtime. I have no idea if its true. The other night was was watching a show and the moderator said something like; "There is nobody who can fail quite as magnificantly as the Democrats" - I think that to be a matter of simple fact. That being said I will vote on the left and I hope they win.

If they can take the house they can go ahead and give the Republicans fits. Given that the Republicans have spent around 100 million dollars just trying to nail Hillary I think the Dems should play turnaround on principle if nothing else. Remember, what the Republicans did was not so much about what Hillary did but making sure that EVERYBODY knew what she might have done. If the Dems take the house they can play the same game with Jackass and admirers.

I have watched Jackass offend just about every group there is and he has done it with impunity. Its time somebody goes after him seriously and publicly. I believe that he ran criminal enterprises rather than businesses and, after reading House of Trump, House of Putin, am also convinced he is in Putin's pocket. This is why I would love to see the Dems go after him publicly and with vigor. If they just take the house they can do this and its REALLY time. I know, there is also Mueller although there is no reason to assume that any report will ever see the light of day if Trump is still in office. We saw that happen with the so called FBI investigation into Kavanaugh. If, however, the Dems have the house, they could then subpoena the report and make it public.

I don't think our presence in the Mideast serves any service to this nation. We don't need their oil, they cannot be trusted, we are in the middle of a Muslim 1000 year war and supporting Saudi Arabia who is the sponsor of virtually all terrorist operations which has involved us. All we do in the mideast is spend treasure and kill our own. We are in the middle of wars that are of no interest to us. We should get the hell out.

You are right about the economy. The loss of jobs, due to trade wars is now in the thousands and climbing. Our national debt is starting to color everything. Disaster is on the way (I have been preaching this for a while now). I have also been converting quite a bit to cash and other stuff in preparation. There is also Asset builders that have been paying a steady 10% for a number of years now. There is absolutely no reason to assume that this republican administration will be any better than all Republican administrations since Herbert Hoover. They ALL left a mess for the Dems to dig out of.

I don't know what to say about the Chinese. China and Russia made a run at replacing the dollar and failed but it looks like Jackass will get that accomplished which will go far in taking us down. I doubt they really want to goto war and it looks like Jackass will eventually remove our troops from N Korea so, basically, no matter how Jackass behaves its as if he is actively working with the Russians and Chinese as they seem to be winning with no fight at all.

I REALLY hope the Dems win it all in a month. Hope, however, tends to be fleeting and unlikely. I remember when Hillary ran. My wife was working with them locally and noticed there were no Hillary signs in town. She asked if she could have some signs to plant and was told she could - for 25.00 each, and up. So, basically, my town had nothing but Trump signs <sigh>

I have always wondered if the Dems really want to win or not. Seems they do, right now, but I have no idea how long that will last. My own thought is that Hillary set the tone for the party, ie. Ignore anything the other side says, don't fight back and just take it. I REALLY hope I am wrong. Its always the same groups that do not vote. Those between 18 and 28 are too busy and the poor. They just don't get it. If you don't vote you get screwed as the elected know who put them in office and that is who they take care of. This is a simple fact and, I guess, them that don't vote just don't have the capacity to act in their own best interest.
Posted by: Greger

Re: The Midterms - 10/10/18 05:18 PM

And once again I say that Democrats can not and will not "win it all" in these upcoming mid-terms. They may flip the House. They won't flip the Senate.

If the new House of Representatives chooses to give Donald Trump "fits" then the chances are they'll piss off republican voters and we'll lose it again in 2020 and Trump will get re-elected.

I seriously want it ALL. And I don't want to see them piss it away on petty revenge politics. Introduce some popular legislation, keep us out of any new shooting wars and govern sensibly until 2020.

Then hit them with both barrels.
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: The Midterms - 10/11/18 01:40 AM

I share your concern that a democratic win in 2018 may not be as productive in 2020. I hope that the blue wave is large enough, and that it generates enough of a wake to affect the next several election cycles.
Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: The Midterms - 10/11/18 02:47 AM

"to effectively oppose right-wing authoritarianism, we cannot simply be on the defensive. We need to be proactive and understand that just defending the failed status quo of the last several decades is not good enough. In fact, we need to recognize that the challenges we face today are a product of that status quo."

That should be the starting point for building a base. Forget what the reaction of the fascist may be if one does what when. There's this guy Corbyn that won an election recently in one of those countries in yurrip. He won against all popular political prognostications.
Melenchon has been gaining ground in France, most interestingly in rural communities as well as the urban centers.
It's worth looking at how the former won some of the biggest election gains in his partiesl parties history since WW2. Or how Melenchon is turning heads in right wing strong holds.
Neither of these figures have been playing to what their political opponents may or may not draw for a hand in two years or four. They're playing their own hands very well.
Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: The Midterms - 10/11/18 02:53 AM

Or cash the donor checks and proclaim America already great laugh
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: The Midterms - 10/19/18 05:24 AM

I think a Democratic House could politely crank out public reports of every criminal thing Trump et al have ever done, without an effective Republican backlash. All the money laundering, collusion with Russia, tax fraud, sexual assault, etc. Republicans may scream, but they will look ridiculous if the Democrats just proceed in a careful methodical manner. If they do it in an obnoxious accusatory way, then it becomes another "he said, she said" thing. It's really difficult to defend some of these things, and I suspect fewer and fewer Congressional Republicans will do that, especially if they take a big hit on November 6th.

As far as their attempts to kill ACA, just wait for some people with "light" health insurance policies to declare medical bankruptcy or die with their policy topped-out. Then we'll see the backlash. People who understand insurance know the new "light" policies are garbage. It's going to take people dying for Republican voters to see what a bad idea this is.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: The Midterms - 10/19/18 05:46 AM

Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
I think a Democratic House could politely crank out public reports of every criminal thing Trump et al have ever done, without an effective Republican backlash. All the money laundering, collusion with Russia, tax fraud, sexual assault, etc. Republicans may scream, but they will look ridiculous if the Democrats just proceed in a careful methodical manner. If they do it in an obnoxious accusatory way, then it becomes another "he said, she said" thing. It's really difficult to defend some of these things, and I suspect fewer and fewer Congressional Republicans will do that, especially if they take a big hit on November 6th.


To quote Fox Mulder from "The X-Files":
"I want to believe."

But I don't. Not even for a second.
All the projection Trump and Trumpers have been making about outbreaks of violence is an advance media inoculation that is supposed to work as cover and smokescreen for the violence THEY INTEND to commit.
Posted by: Greger

Re: The Midterms - 10/19/18 08:52 PM

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the violence THEY INTEND to commit.


Up until now the anger on the left has been under control. For as long as I can remember the anger on the right has been palpable, ready to explode into violence at the drop of a hat.

The Antifa crowd is about to drop the hat.
Posted by: Greger

Re: The Midterms - 10/19/18 08:54 PM

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It's going to take people dying for Republican voters to see what a bad idea this is.

Since when has people dying bothered Republican voters?
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: The Midterms - 10/20/18 02:24 AM

Let me make that clear: It's going to take Trump supporter's family members dying, for them to figure out something is wrong. And make no mistake about it, with that crap insurance they will.
Posted by: rporter314

Re: The Midterms - 10/20/18 04:16 AM

I am not convinced the wave will be so large.

The House is within reach. Far more important long term is winning the states.

While you may see and know Mr Trump for what he is, there is a relatively large chunk of Americans who believe he is the savior of America, despite, for what they think, are peccadillos.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: The Midterms - 10/21/18 01:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Greger
Quote:
the violence THEY INTEND to commit.


Up until now the anger on the left has been under control. For as long as I can remember the anger on the right has been palpable, ready to explode into violence at the drop of a hat.

The Antifa crowd is about to drop the hat.


Antifa are no friend to Democrats.



Attacks on Dems, libs, journos...anyone not in their narrow anarchistic/communist purview. The scales have fallen from the eyes of those on the liberal side.
Posted by: Greger

Re: The Midterms - 10/21/18 01:09 AM

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I am not convinced the wave will be so large.


Nor am I, though in my heart of hearts I continue to hope.
Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: The Midterms - 10/21/18 01:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: Greger
Quote:
the violence THEY INTEND to commit.


Up until now the anger on the left has been under control. For as long as I can remember the anger on the right has been palpable, ready to explode into violence at the drop of a hat.

The Antifa crowd is about to drop the hat.


Antifa are no friend to Democrats.



Attacks on Dems, libs, journos...anyone not in their narrow anarchistic/communist purview. The scales have fallen from the eyes of those on the liberal side.

A photo of some paint from unknown author and you condemn antifa Jeff?
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: The Midterms - 10/21/18 01:57 AM

As far as I have seen, Antifa is quite defensive. They tend to show up wherever Nazis and KKK group, and don't really attack so much as defend other protesters from alt-right violence. I think it's good that SOMEBODY is punching Nazis in the face. The whole Greatest Generation did, but we're all a little too tolerant to do that now. Personally, I'd like to see Nazis crawl back under the rocks they came from, and KKK return to hiding behind their masks for fear of arrest.
Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: The Midterms - 10/21/18 03:09 AM

I agree with PIA here Jeff. What evidence do you have that the Antifacists are targeting anyone but Fascists?
Posted by: rporter314

Re: The Midterms - 10/21/18 04:14 AM

as do I but what I am seeing is something every person should think about ... I think

I believe it is clear Mr Trump would pull the plug on democracy if he thought he could get away with it. His supporters would probably show their support if he did. His problem is of course the elected few preventing him from doing it.

So I have to wonder ... is this what it was like in 1933 ... people looking for a savior ... people willing to sacrifice their freedom because they believe in a person ... are we as close now as they were then

scary ...
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: The Midterms - 10/21/18 06:01 AM

Originally Posted By: rporter314
as do I but what I am seeing is something every person should think about ... I think

I believe it is clear Mr Trump would pull the plug on democracy if he thought he could get away with it. His supporters would probably show their support if he did. His problem is of course the elected few preventing him from doing it.

So I have to wonder ... is this what it was like in 1933 ... people looking for a savior ... people willing to sacrifice their freedom because they believe in a person ... are we as close now as they were then

scary ...


I don't know, because in 1933 you didn't have hundreds of thousands of zombies who were taught to say, "Mumble mumble America is not a democracy...mumble mumble America is a republic and not a democracy." in a well funded attempt to advance inoculate in preparation for an attack ON democracy.

All else aside, yeah. We might be getting a little bit closer to what it might have been like in a certain European country in 1933.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: The Midterms - 10/21/18 11:44 AM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: rporter314

So I have to wonder ... is this what it was like in 1933 ... people looking for a savior ... people willing to sacrifice their freedom because they believe in a person ... are we as close now as they were then
scary ...
All else aside, yeah. We might be getting a little bit closer to what it might have been like in a certain European country in 1933.

To explore that concept a bit, watch Fahrenheit 11/9.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: The Midterms - 10/21/18 08:18 PM

Originally Posted By: logtroll
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: rporter314

So I have to wonder ... is this what it was like in 1933 ... people looking for a savior ... people willing to sacrifice their freedom because they believe in a person ... are we as close now as they were then
scary ...
All else aside, yeah. We might be getting a little bit closer to what it might have been like in a certain European country in 1933.

To explore that concept a bit, watch Fahrenheit 11/9.


Karen and I were invited to a pre-premier screening of it!
Posted by: logtroll

Re: The Midterms - 10/21/18 08:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Karen and I were invited to a pre-premier screening of it!

Didja go?
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: The Midterms - 10/21/18 11:14 PM

Originally Posted By: logtroll
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Karen and I were invited to a pre-premier screening of it!

Didja go?


Of course...wouldn't miss it for the world.