Takeover

Posted by: jgw

Takeover - 02/15/19 05:57 PM

Jackass declares a national emergency. Law suits are entered to stop it. Eventually it goes to the courts. The it gets to the supremes, which has been pre-packed by Jackass. The supremes, therefore, have no problem with the president not being called in his circumvention of the constitution as that is his right!

So, that will allow him, basically, to do whatever he wants. Next thing is to get rid of the 2 term limit. Since he no longer has to answer to the constitution he can do that with the pen and congress is, basically, out of the picture which would not be exactly of interest as they actually have been doing that one for years.

Long Reign our Beloved Leader and best liar, cheat, and racist misogynist of all time!
Posted by: Greger

Re: Takeover - 02/15/19 06:11 PM

As near as I can tell the president is breaking no laws. At least in the context of declaring a national emergency.

His use of it as an end run around congress to embezzle money for a pet project is unprecedented though. Not illegal...just unprecedented.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Takeover - 02/15/19 06:13 PM

No more term limits?
Oh goody.

Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Takeover - 02/15/19 10:55 PM

Roosevelt was actually not a socialist, he was from old money, but he did what was necessary to pull us out of the depression. We had a system that had an excess of capitalism before that, which would not work at getting us out of the depression.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Takeover - 02/15/19 10:59 PM

Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Roosevelt was actually not a socialist, he was from old money, but he did what was necessary to pull us out of the depression. We had a system that had an excess of capitalism before that, which would not work at getting us out of the depression.


He did not come from socialist roots and he never uttered the term itself but for all practical purposes, the things he did are indeed social democracy and a bit of democratic socialism, even if not credited as such.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Takeover - 02/16/19 06:26 AM

And even "Real Socialism" in the sense of central planning and guaranteed employment. But he really did not have a choice. It was either that or people would have been dying en masse in food riots. I think sometimes you have to take the direct route to a solution instead of waiting for it to solve itself, and nobody else was going to do it.
Posted by: jgw

Re: Takeover - 02/16/19 06:08 PM

Interesting. Roosevelt was, I think, a Democrat and NOT a Socialist. He was, however, socially responsible and understood that meant some things needed to be socialized which is, to my mind, different from "Socialist". I can, however, remember my family constantly referring to him as "that damned Democrat" (they were not a fan).

I also remember my grandmother signing up for Social Security as soon as she could after it became law. I think she collected it for a LOT of years after never having paying in a dime. She was a full scale Roosevelt hater. Always found that one to be interesting.
Posted by: Greger

Re: Takeover - 02/16/19 09:37 PM

Socialized is not different from socialism.

That's why we call it socialism...it's when you socialize stuff.
Posted by: Greger

Re: Takeover - 02/16/19 09:44 PM

Yes...what FDR did was indeed socialism. But to call it that was to over-complicate the fact that that it was the right thing to do.

In his own words:

Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Takeover - 02/16/19 11:07 PM

Call it social democracy or democratic socialism but it was one of the two or some combination of the two, even if FDR himself wasn't socialist in his heart. He decided to practice some form of quasi-socialism in order to strengthen an ailing capitalist economy.

And at its heart, it is very simple, and very practical.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Takeover - 02/17/19 03:23 AM

He had to do it, because we were in very bad shape. A mixed system is optimal. And of course he had to say it was not socialism because at the time the big socialist power was the Soviet Union. He absolutely could not say: "Now we are going to do things like the USSR."
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: Takeover - 02/17/19 12:32 PM

And, interestingly, we did not do things like they did in the Soviet Union (which was never really socialist, anyway, except in name... but not enough room for that here). Most of the programs that FDR implemented started life as part of the Socialist Party's platforms of the late 1920's to 30's. Because of Roosevelt's popularity and longevity, the Democratic Party crowded the Socialists out nearly entirely, leading to their breakup and eventual reorganization. And that, really, explains the current divisions between Social Democrats and Democratic Socialists in the current parlance.
Posted by: jgw

Re: Takeover - 02/17/19 06:13 PM

How about this one. The Trump children get indicted and Jackass goes ballistic. Then, suddenly, Jackass goes silent, the idiot kids oddly get to skate as the indictments get withdrawn. A week later Jackass resigns with no explanation and remains silent. OH, and the Mueller investigation announces the job as being done - no report is ever released and everything gets sealed.

Gosh, I wonder what happened?
Did Jackass save his children from prison?
Did the investigation cause Jackass to resign or be tried as a traitor to the nation?
Did the Jackass quit because he was sick and tired of it all?
Will we ever hear the facts?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm?
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Takeover - 02/17/19 07:36 PM

Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
And, interestingly, we did not do things like they did in the Soviet Union (which was never really socialist, anyway, except in name... but not enough room for that here). Most of the programs that FDR implemented started life as part of the Socialist Party's platforms of the late 1920's to 30's. Because of Roosevelt's popularity and longevity, the Democratic Party crowded the Socialists out nearly entirely, leading to their breakup and eventual reorganization. And that, really, explains the current divisions between Social Democrats and Democratic Socialists in the current parlance.


Post of the Month Award ^^^ Bow
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Takeover - 02/19/19 06:06 AM

Quote:
How about this one.


How about this one: I'm having affairs with Angelina Jolie AND Jennifer Aniston. Nice daydream.... smile
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Takeover - 02/19/19 06:16 AM

Originally Posted By: jgw
How about this one. The Trump children get indicted and Jackass goes ballistic. Then, suddenly, Jackass goes silent, the idiot kids oddly get to skate as the indictments get withdrawn. A week later Jackass resigns with no explanation and remains silent.


How about this one?

"Downfall"



Featuring an indelible performance by Bruno Ganz as history's most notorious despot, Downfall gives a gripping insight into the madness and desperation of a tyrant's final hours.
Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: Takeover - 02/19/19 03:11 PM

Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
And, interestingly, we did not do things like they did in the Soviet Union (which was never really socialist, anyway, except in name... but not enough room for that here). Most of the programs that FDR implemented started life as part of the Socialist Party's platforms of the late 1920's to 30's. Because of Roosevelt's popularity and longevity, the Democratic Party crowded the Socialists out nearly entirely, leading to their breakup and eventual reorganization. And that, really, explains the current divisions between Social Democrats and Democratic Socialists in the current parlance.


It's interesting that the wickapedia link of the history of leftism in america makes no mention of the two political repressions that had occurred. One after the Bolshevic revolution and the other after WW2.
Both right wing parties today have used the now familiar 'repress the left' as a means for getting out of a political jam.

We will see it with the Sanders campaign by right wingers in the democratic party as were seeing it happen now in the Labour party of the U.K. We've been watching it applied to AOC by both right wing parties as well.
Posted by: Greger

Re: Takeover - 02/21/19 07:01 PM

Quote:
We've been watching it applied to AOC by both right wing parties as well.


And we've watched with fascination how this clever girl has handled them. She's kicking ass and taking names.
Eating their faces off so to speak.

She's the future and they all know it. They are the dinosaurs.
Posted by: rporter314

Re: Takeover - 02/21/19 07:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Greger
She's the future and they all know it. They are the dinosaurs.


Indeed ... and I defer to the words of this itinerant songwriter from my youth

Originally Posted By: Bob Dylan
Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'.
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.
Posted by: Greger

Re: Takeover - 02/21/19 11:23 PM

That song has come to mind several times recently. And it makes me wonder, how we lost that revolution so badly. We changed the world alright, for the worse. Guys I dropped acid with while protesting the Vietnam war are now wearing MAGA hats and worshiping Trump.

Go figger...
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Takeover - 02/22/19 05:30 PM

I'm still here, Greger.
Nothing's changed for me except I decided a long time ago that I'd taken enough acid that I never needed to again.

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call indeed...