Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away.

Posted by: Doug Thompson

Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 01/08/18 11:12 PM



By DOUG THOMPSON - Opinion

Donald Trump is many things: Vain, ego-consumed, temperamental and a man with many other questionable attributes.

Turns out he is lazy -- perhaps the laziest president of the United States in modern times.

Trump spends most of his weekends playing golf at one of his resorts or dining with those who worship his every word.

At the White House, he seldom starts his days in the Oval Office before 11 a.m. or later after lounging the morning away in his White House residence, watching TV, tweeting his latest tirade or calling those still waiting to hear from him or remain in his shrinking circle of "confidants."

He takes breaks during his shortened days and retires to his bedroom or another room at the White House residence.

Trump calls this his "executive time," a label that will undoubtedly become the joke to dominate talk shows.

When he sees something he doesn't like (which happens often) his thumbs get busy knocking out his latest Twitter rant or calling someone to vent his spleen to bitch and moan about how badly people are treating him.

Trump, reportedly, doesn't like being president lately.  It's not even close to what he expected.

Writes Evod Von Drehle of The Washington Post:

Evidence is piling up that Donald Trump does not really want to be president of the United States.


He certainly doesn’t look happy in the job. In his previous life, Trump met whomever he wanted to meet and said whatever he wanted to say. But like all presidents, he finds himself ever more isolated, and his displeasure shows on his face. The loneliness of the job — which so many of his predecessors have ruefully reported — is wearing on him.




In photos, Trump appears agitated or unhappy or both.

Adds Von Drehle:

He was drawn to the fame of it, as he once told me aboard his private jet. “It’s the ratings . . . that gives you power,” then-candidate Trump explained. “It’s not the polls. It’s the ratings.” He loves being the most talked-about man on Earth.


It is a paradoxically self-effacing fame. The job demands that hugely competitive, driven, ambitious individuals — for that’s what it takes to win the job — inhabit a role that requires them to be something other than nakedly themselves.


As some Trump associates tell it, he never intended to be elected. But having won the part, he doesn’t want to play it, a fact irrefutable after Charlottesville. Rather than speak for the nation — the president’s job — he spoke for Trump. Rather than apply shared values, he apportioned blame.



Trump thought he could conquer the presidency in his "bull in a china closet" style of beating everyone down around him so he could get his way.  As a novice in the top political job in the world, he deals with people in the job much longer who have more knowledge and skills needed to run a country.

Trump never had the patience needed for the job or the willingness to learn the nuances of the presidency.  His waning popularity drains his energy, the revelations of his many failures dog every move and his inability to do his job shows in his drawn features.

"Trump is losing friends faster than a bully at a birthday party," notes Von Dehle.

Trump's contract with America is four years, with an option to extend it for another four if his employers -- the voters (with a lot of help from the Electoral College) -- decide to give him a second chance.

At this point in time, voters in America see little reason to give Trump a contract extension.  His favorable rating is under 35 percent, a record low for a president at the end of his first year in office.  His campaign rallies no longer attract sizable crowds and voters who saw him as someone who would give them a voice now disrespect his embrace of the GOP establish.

A growing number wonder why he is hanging on as his power, approval and ratings fade. At this point, his only saving grace might be to resign and walk away.

Doing so would be the only time in his failed presidency when he put the nation before himself.

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Posted by: Greger

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 01/09/18 12:03 AM

Bravo! Bow
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 01/09/18 01:57 AM

Can you imagine what his mental outlook will be if the Democrats sweep both houses of Congress?
If it's this bad right now, imagine how he's going to feel if he is hemmed in by liberal majorities in the House and Senate.
Donald Trump, the 45th President of the United States, and its aspiring emperor, will not stand for it.

MY OWN personal wager is, if that Democrat sweep happens, and it looks increasingly like it just might, that plus the looming spectre of a fully fleshed out Mueller investigation will make an escape look very tempting for the former reality show star, because those are two realities he is not equipped to deal with.
Where would he go?
Well, we already have a couple of hints.

Steven Seagal, a former B-movie martial arts icon and wannabe lawman, was squirming under the weight of several accusations of sexual assault and a couple of reports of miscarriage of justice under color of authority. He fled to a place where he and his black pajama clad visage is worshipped: RUSSIA.

Vladimir Putin instantly awarded Seagal with Russian citizenship, and Seagal hasn't returned stateside since. Just the threat of the #metoo movement alone is probably more than enough to keep him in a culture where beating your wife or girlfriend is a sign of deep and abiding love.

Mr. Trump is also heavily indebted to Russian banks and banks which are heavily leveraged to Russian finance. No US bank will loan him money, so the bright lights of Moscow must look very tempting to our 45th Chief Executive right now.
He could climb aboard his own Trump 747 and disappear into the clouds, and emerge a week or two later with a brand new image, Russian hero, Special Consul to Vladimir Putin, and the new image of entrepreneurship in Russia.
Why, even Trump Steaks might suddenly make a blazing comeback.
And think of the course offerings he could make available in a rebooted Trump University, St. Petersburg campus.
55 Savushkina Street would be renamed in his honor.

And the world would have two brand new James Bond villains.

Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 01/09/18 04:00 AM

Originally Posted By: Doug Thompson
Donald Trump is many things: Vain, ego-consumed, temperamental and a man with many other questionable attributes.

Turns out he is lazy -- perhaps the laziest president of the United States in modern times.

Just because Donald Trump gets to the Oval Office at 11am? laugh

Donald J Trump is the epitome of the Seven Deadly sins. Hmm
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 01/09/18 04:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Doug Thompson
Trump, reportedly, doesn't like being president lately.  It's not even close to what he expected.

DJT hasn't done a Saturday Address since mid-October. Hmm
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 01/09/18 05:57 AM

Numerous Parliament leaders have had experience dealing with incompetent monarchs. Maybe we should consult with our friends in the UK for techniques ...
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 01/09/18 06:59 AM

Want to place bets on what Trump says to Mueller?

What are the odds of simple perjury? 10:1 he does. I don't think he can help it. There are just SO many details he tries to lie about, and Mueller is very likely to have proof and witnesses.

How about admitting he fired Comey to thwart the Russia investigation? He's done that on national TV. I say 50:50.
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 01/09/18 03:46 PM

For most people perjury is hard to prove. For Trump it occurs roughly every 15 minutes. If he's under oath for a two hour interview, that'd be 8 counts... But, you know, he'll just claim he doesn't remember. The Sessions defense.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 01/09/18 09:46 PM

I don't think so. I doubt he can remember to say "I don't remember." for two whole hours. And he feels fully justified in everything he's done, always. Remember? No regrets, with regard to asking God for forgiveness. So I would not be at all surprised if he volunteers all sorts of incriminating things under oath. He's certainly done it before on national TV.

How do prosecutors deal with witnesses who are so demented or stupid they insist on bragging about the things they have done, though quite illegal? In my experience, they just let them incriminate themselves and then charge them.

People have a very vague sense of the law. For example my neighbor had four dogs run away through an open gate. The owner tracked down somebody who found one of them within a couple of days and they told her she was too late because they had already sold the dog. Finding anything and keeping or selling it without trying to find the owner is a crime! But they seemed to think "Finders keepers" was the law. These are $4000 purebreds!
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/26/19 08:38 PM

Since I wasn't here back in January of 2018 I wish to remind everyone that before the election Hillary Clinton had a favorable rating of 31%. According to this if Trump should resign because of his low ratings Clinton should have dropped out of the race. She didn't drop out of the race and Trump shouldn't resign.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/26/19 10:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Since I wasn't here back in January of 2018 I wish to remind everyone that before the election Hillary Clinton had a favorable rating of 31%. According to this if Trump should resign because of his low ratings Clinton should have dropped out of the race. She didn't drop out of the race and Trump shouldn't resign.

As I posted a few days ago, 69% of all registered voters cannot stand Donald Trump. Support for impeachment has risen seven points to 43 percent in new poll since last week, per The Hill. smile

Senator, your guy is not very well liked. Hmm
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/26/19 10:31 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Since I wasn't here back in January of 2018 I wish to remind everyone that before the election Hillary Clinton had a favorable rating of 31%. According to this if Trump should resign because of his low ratings Clinton should have dropped out of the race. She didn't drop out of the race and Trump shouldn't resign.

As I posted a few days ago, 69% of all registered voters cannot stand Donald Trump. Support for impeachment has risen seven points to 43 percent in new poll since last week, per The Hill. smile

Senator, your guy is not very well liked. Hmm
If popularity was the deciding factor Hillary Clinton should not have the Democratic Party's nominee. It isn't so she was the Democrat's presidential nominee. The election is still 14 months away. In politics that is a very long time. A lot can change between now and then. Especially if the Democrats are as stupid about Trump as the Republicans were about Bill Clinton.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/26/19 10:36 PM

Seems that if the Republicans weren't stupid about Trump, he wouldn't have been the 3rd president to be facing impeachment.
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/26/19 10:51 PM

Originally Posted By: logtroll
Seems that if the Republicans weren't stupid about Trump, he wouldn't have been the 3rd president to be facing impeachment.
That Trump won the election shows that the Democrats are being stupid about him. Trump's hostile takeover of the GOP does not mean he is a Republican. A lot of people supported Trump because he isn't a Republican.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/26/19 10:59 PM

Sorry, man, no excuses. You own that toxic sonofabitch.
Posted by: rporter314

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/27/19 04:03 AM

Quote:
Trump's hostile takeover of the GOP

The only hostility directed against anyone was the Republican elites who refuse to acknowledge the bigotry of the Base. A huge chunk of the Base are bigots. Republican elites have denied it for years and now all those bigots have a public voice.

Quote:
A lot of people supported Trump because he isn't a Republican
So why didn't they vote Democrat????

Sorry but that is nonsensical.

The reason the Base supports Mr Trump is most are bigots and Mr Trump is their personal, in your frakking face liberals, voice. Not my conclusion or belief but what every Trump supporter I know has told me. O and BTW ... they are all 100% grade A Texas bigots.
Posted by: Ujest Shurly

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/27/19 10:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: logtroll
Seems that if the Republicans weren't stupid about Trump, he wouldn't have been the 3rd president to be facing impeachment.
That Trump won the election shows that the Democrats are being stupid about him. Trump's hostile takeover of the GOP does not mean he is a Republican. A lot of people supported Trump because he isn't a Republican.



And yet, the Republican Party supports him, protects him, does his bidding, sold their souls to him. All, so they could run their and his agenda.

The Republicans bought him, they own him and all his stink.
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/27/19 09:50 PM

Originally Posted By: rporter314
Quote:
Trump's hostile takeover of the GOP

The only hostility directed against anyone was the Republican elites who refuse to acknowledge the bigotry of the Base. A huge chunk of the Base are bigots. Republican elites have denied it for years and now all those bigots have a public voice.

Quote:
A lot of people supported Trump because he isn't a Republican
So why didn't they vote Democrat????

Sorry but that is nonsensical.

The reason the Base supports Mr Trump is most are bigots and Mr Trump is their personal, in your frakking face liberals, voice. Not my conclusion or belief but what every Trump supporter I know has told me. O and BTW ... they are all 100% grade A Texas bigots.


failpail
Posted by: logtroll

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/28/19 12:24 AM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
failpail

That's a "pail".
Posted by: rporter314

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/28/19 03:25 AM

are you trying to say all the Trump supporters I know are lying about why they voted for and support, even if Mr Trump shoots someone on 5th Ave, Mr Trump? Really????

I guess when they all talked about the N%%%%R in the WH they were not talking about Pres Obama.

Your continued denial of who and what a large chunk of the Base is and has been for many years now, will result in YOU being primaried. I hear the same indignation from all those elitist Republicans, who have been blathering about no bigotry in the Base for years, only now they have to pay attention to the Base, otherwise they will be primaried by some low life white supremacist.
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/28/19 06:37 AM

Originally Posted By: rporter314
are you trying to say all the Trump supporters I know are lying about why they voted for and support, even if Mr Trump shoots someone on 5th Ave, Mr Trump? Really????

I guess when they all talked about the N%%%%R in the WH they were not talking about Pres Obama.

Your continued denial of who and what a large chunk of the Base is and has been for many years now, will result in YOU being primaried. I hear the same indignation from all those elitist Republicans, who have been blathering about no bigotry in the Base for years, only now they have to pay attention to the Base, otherwise they will be primaried by some low life white supremacist.
From the small number of Trump supporters you know that is irrefutable proof that A LARGE CHUNK of his supporters are bigots? Is that why the Chair of the MN Republican Party, a strong supporter of Trump, is a woman who wasn't even active in the politics until she ran for the state senate in 2016. The party base is bigoted? When I went to the MN Republican State Convention in 1978 in Rochester, MN I drove down with a man who had moved here from Mexico as a child. In 1992 the 5th CD candidate for the House of Representative was a black woman. When I went to the State Convention in 2016 I rode with a black man. In 2016 the Vice Chair of the MN Republican Party was a black man and the 5th CD candidate for the House of Representatives. I've been active in the grassroots of the Republican Party for over 40 years and I have not seen nor worked on any campaigns with any bigots. Your idiotic reply is typical of liberals, you play the race card when you do not know what the hell you are talking about!
Jennifer Carnahan
Posted by: rporter314

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/28/19 03:55 PM

Quote:
Your idiotic reply is typical of ....

You apparently did not read my comment. I recently watched Rep Jim Jordan do the same thing when he questioned a witness before committee. He read a part of a statement and ignored the conclusion to "prove" his point liberals are idiots.

Did you notice everything thing you mentioned was about Republican elites ... committee this candidate that (and of course the proverbial mention of someone being black or Mexican which naturally guarantees and proves something to only those who want to prove something) ...

THE BASE ... these are the rank and file who you apparently never talk to. These are the people who do not necessarily go to convention but certainly go to Trump rallies and scream their vitriol. If THE BASE is not motivated by Republicanism but they are motivated and inspired by what Mr Trump says, then what is it? his good looks, his big hands, or the fact he talks the talk of white nationalism.

So the next question is why would elected Republicans continue to defend and support someone who is not a Republican? Can you explain that? Is it his good looks etc etc. NO!!!!!! It is fear of THE BASE. So why do these elected officials fear THE BASE? Because they are Republicans and THE BASE is not?

Those same elected officials have for some 30 years and more denied the bigotry of THE BASE. Always the race card. Or could it be too many Republicans, too many of THE BASE, do not understand the very language people use is racist. So why do you not simply accept there are bigots in the Republican Party? or could the problem be you simply do not recognize bigotry when you see it or hear it? All the people I know who talked about the N&&&&r in the WH have said they are not bigots ... and concluded that with I have black friends.

And of course Republican officials would not want to say, yes there is bigotry in the base, of course they would lie about it, what else would you expect them to say???
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/28/19 06:11 PM

Originally Posted By: rporter314
Quote:
Your idiotic reply is typical of ....

You apparently did not read my comment. I recently watched Rep Jim Jordan do the same thing when he questioned a witness before committee. He read a part of a statement and ignored the conclusion to "prove" his point liberals are idiots.

Did you notice everything thing you mentioned was about Republican elites ... committee this candidate that (and of course the proverbial mention of someone being black or Mexican which naturally guarantees and proves something to only those who want to prove something) ...

THE BASE ... these are the rank and file who you apparently never talk to. These are the people who do not necessarily go to convention but certainly go to Trump rallies and scream their vitriol. If THE BASE is not motivated by Republicanism but they are motivated and inspired by what Mr Trump says, then what is it? his good looks, his big hands, or the fact he talks the talk of white nationalism.

So the next question is why would elected Republicans continue to defend and support someone who is not a Republican? Can you explain that? Is it his good looks etc etc. NO!!!!!! It is fear of THE BASE. So why do these elected officials fear THE BASE? Because they are Republicans and THE BASE is not?

Those same elected officials have for some 30 years and more denied the bigotry of THE BASE. Always the race card. Or could it be too many Republicans, too many of THE BASE, do not understand the very language people use is racist. So why do you not simply accept there are bigots in the Republican Party? or could the problem be you simply do not recognize bigotry when you see it or hear it? All the people I know who talked about the N&&&&r in the WH have said they are not bigots ... and concluded that with I have black friends.

And of course Republican officials would not want to say, yes there is bigotry in the base, of course they would lie about it, what else would you expect them to say???

Yes, condemn the Republican Party for something that exists only in the minds of people who must find a reason to hate Republicans, "THE BASE." During the entire Obama administration I NEVER heard anyone in the GOP use the N word to describe Pres. Obama. Are there bigots in the Republican Party? Probably as many there are in the Democratic Party. In any large national public organization there will always be a small number of people who are bigots. Your repeated condemnation of "THE BASE" is a sign of your bigotry. Here is the definition of the word from the American Heritage Dictionary. The definition is an excellent description of you rporter314.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/28/19 06:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Yes, condemn the Republican Party for something that exists only in the minds of people who must find a reason to hate Republicans...

Let's review the history of racism and bigotry in America. smile

Yes, the KKK and Jim Crow laws were because of Democrats. But those Democrats were southern and Conservative - Conservative Democrats aka Blue Dog Democrats.

Enter Barry Goldwater in the late 20th century.

Barry Goldwater was an Arizona senator who stood for keeping the government as small as possible, promoting the interests of business by dismantling the New Deal and being extremely hawkish in foreign policy to defeat communism generally and the Soviet Union specifically. He was also, on racial issues, quite regressive, opposing the key civil rights legislation of the 1960s that allowed African Americans to attain full legal equality. These positions became the cornerstone of subsequent Republican ideology; the only element left out in 1964 was the brand of Christian right conservatism that would be infused into the party's philosophical brew in the 1970s and took the Conservatives in the Democrat party with him.

Reagan did the same thing as Barry Goldwater - he further pushed the Republican Party to the right - taking the remaining Conservatives from the Democrat to the Republicans.

Racism and bigotry are not a Democrat or Republican ideology, but racism and bigotry are both 100% Conservative ideologies. But, because bigoted and racist Conservatives reside inside the Republican party, is the reason why Republicans are loathed.

Remember, it's not the Liberals who are chanting "Jews will not replace us," it's the alt-Right living inside of the Republican party.

Hmm
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/28/19 06:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
During the entire Obama administration I NEVER heard anyone in the GOP use the N word to describe Pres. Obama.

It was more subtle. smile



Overt racism is so passé. coffee
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/28/19 09:20 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Barry Goldwater was an Arizona senator who stood for keeping the government as small as possible, promoting the interests of business by dismantling the New Deal and being extremely hawkish in foreign policy to defeat communism generally and the Soviet Union specifically. He was also, on racial issues, quite regressive, opposing the key civil rights legislation of the 1960s that allowed African Americans to attain full legal equality. These positions became the cornerstone of subsequent Republican ideology; the only element left out in 1964 was the brand of Christian right conservatism that would be infused into the party's philosophical brew in the 1970s and took the Conservatives in the Democrat party with him.

The Civil Rights Acts of the 1960' were passed because REPUBLICANS in the Senate stopped the filibuster of the southern DEMOCRATS!

Goldwater was a racist? Do you try to be wrong pdx rick? Do you ever do any research or do you just regurgitate the BS lies of the liberals? Barry Goldwater
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/28/19 10:00 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
During the entire Obama administration I NEVER heard anyone in the GOP use the N word to describe Pres. Obama.

It was more subtle. smile




Overt racism is so passé. coffee
I didn't say that there aren't any racists in the GOP. Just for the record I did a little research about this disgusting photo-shopped picture. This picture, before it was photo-shopped, is a of witch doctor from Papua-New Guinea, not an African. Be that as it may it is still a disgusting picture!
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/28/19 10:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Goldwater was a racist? Do you try to be wrong pdx rick? Do you ever do any research or do you just regurgitate the BS lies of the liberals?

At the end of the day, Goldwater defended the right to segregate - as a states' right issue. If he had won the presidency, segregation would’ve been in place, it’s cute how Conservatives try to make historical revisionism erase the past, but that’s actually what would’ve happened.

Both Conservative southern Democrats and Republicans opposed, after the act passed under a Democratic president, and the nominee for the Republicans was a pro-segregationist, the Conservative southern Democrats switched over to Republicans.

smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/28/19 10:27 PM

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[Goldwater's] constituency was not little old ladies in tennis shoes, and it wasn't mad bombers, either. It was working-class white men in revolt against integration—the famous "backlash" voters. "The white backlash,"...

...

The Senate voted on the Civil Rights Act on June 19, 1964. It was one of the most intense and closely watched congressional actions of the decade, and the most widely publicized vote of Goldwater's Senate career: he had just become the likely Republican Presidential nominee by winning the California primary, less than three weeks before. He voted against the bill. Two weeks later, Lyndon Johnson (who had pushed the legislation, he maintained, as a tribute to the memory of John F. Kennedy) signed it into law.

New Yorker

What?!? Barry Goldwater voted agianst the 1964 Civil Rights' Bill? You don't say... coffee

...but wait! There's more New Yorker? Hmm

Quote:
[Goldwater] had believed all along that the Southern white vote was basically conservative and potentially Republican. Republicans, he told Georgia activists in 1961, ought to stop chasing the votes of African-Americans and "go hunting where the ducks are." And the ducks in 1964 turned out to be white Democrats in revolt against integration. Goldwater's campaign slogan, "In Your Heart You Know He's Right," was an arrow aimed directly at them. It was a clear allusion to a prejudice that dared not speak its name.

Oh my! There goes that Conservative rehabilitation of Mr. Goldwater. smile
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/28/19 10:44 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Goldwater was a racist? Do you try to be wrong pdx rick? Do you ever do any research or do you just regurgitate the BS lies of the liberals?

At the end of the day, Goldwater defended the right to segregate - as a states' right issue. If he had won the presidency, segregation would’ve been in place, it’s cute how Conservatives try to make historical revisionism erase the past, but that’s actually what would’ve happened.

The 1964 Civil Rights Act was passed on July 2, 1964. The Republican National Convention, which nominated Sen. Goldwater, was held from July 13-16, 1964. That means that even if Goldwater had been elected the Civil Rights Act was the law of the land. Again you are wrong pdx rick.

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Both Conservative southern Democrats and Republicans opposed, after the act passed under a Democratic president, and the nominee for the Republicans was a pro-segregationists, the Conservative southern Democrats switched over to Republicans.

smile

Another regurgitation of the lie that Goldwater was a segregationist. This quote is from article I posted a link to in my first post showing how pdx rick is wrong. It also shows the pdx rick did not read the article.
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More specifically, Goldwater had problems with title II and Title VII of the 1964 bill. He felt that constitutionally the federal government had no legal right to interfere in who people hired, fired; or to whom they sold their products, goods, and services. He felt that “power” laid in the various states, and with the people. He was a strong advocate of the tenth amendment. Goldwater’s constitutional stance did not mean he agreed with the segregation and racial discrimination practiced in the South. To the contrary, he fought against these kinds of racial divides in his own state of Arizona. He supported the integration of the Arizona National Guard and Phoenix public schools. Goldwater was, also, a member of the NAACP and the Urban League.
A segregationist and a memeber of the NAACP?

Southern Democrats
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It's true that the recent political success of the GOP has an enormous amount to do with the party's success in the white south, but I think the evidence strongly suggests that conservative politicians get the votes of white southerners precisely because white southerners like conservative positions on taxes, moral values, and national security. Southern Democratic politicians of the Jim Crow era, after all, mostly took conservative stances on all of these issues. The weird thing about Jim Crow politics is that white southerners with conservative views on taxes, moral values, and national security would vote for Democratic presidential candidates who didn't share their views. They did that as part of a strategy for maintaining white supremacy in the South.

And for a long time the strategy worked. Democratic politicians like Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt loyally upheld white supremacy. The dam began to crack with Harry Truman, and then under Lyndon Johnson the national party decisively broke with this corrupt bargain. With that done, white southerners just took their conservative views on taxes and national security into the Republican Party where such views belonged.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/28/19 10:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
The 1964 Civil Rights Act was passed on July 2, 1964.

Indeed, without, Mr. Goldwater's vote. Mr. Goldwater was hedging his bets, he didn't think the Bill would pass Congress and he based his decision on flawed arguments of fellow Conservatives Robert Bork and William Rehnquist.

Oh well. Hmm
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/28/19 10:53 PM


...from your Southern Democrat link, sir:

Quote:
The weird thing about Jim Crow politics is that white southerners with conservative views on taxes, moral values, and national security would vote for Democratic presidential candidates who didn't share their views. They did that as part of a strategy for maintaining white supremacy in the South.

So when these "Jim Crow southern Democrats" rolled-over into the Republican party - they took their bigotry and racism with them - just as I have maintained in this thread. smile

Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/28/19 10:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Another regurgitation of the lie that Goldwater was a segregationist. This quote is from article I posted a link to in my first post showing how pdx rick is wrong. It also shows the pdx rick did not read the article.
Quote:
More specifically, Goldwater had problems with title II and Title VII of the 1964 bill. He felt that constitutionally the federal government had no legal right to interfere in who people hired, fired; or to whom they sold their products, goods, and services. He felt that “power” laid in the various states, and with the people. He was a strong advocate of the tenth amendment. Goldwater’s constitutional stance did not mean he agreed with the segregation and racial discrimination practiced in the South. To the contrary, he fought against these kinds of racial divides in his own state of Arizona. He supported the integration of the Arizona National Guard and Phoenix public schools. Goldwater was, also, a member of the NAACP and the Urban League.
A segregationist and a memeber of the NAACP?

Yes, I did see that. I thought it was good cover for Mr. Goldwater's vote. smile As I wrote, at the end of the day, Mr. Goldwater supported a state's right for segregation.

Mr. Goldwater can't have it both ways, because that seems spineless. Hmm
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/28/19 10:58 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Quote:
[Goldwater's] constituency was not little old ladies in tennis shoes, and it wasn't mad bombers, either. It was working-class white men in revolt against integration—the famous "backlash" voters. "The white backlash,"...

...

The Senate voted on the Civil Rights Act on June 19, 1964. It was one of the most intense and closely watched congressional actions of the decade, and the most widely publicized vote of Goldwater's Senate career: he had just become the likely Republican Presidential nominee by winning the California primary, less than three weeks before. He voted against the bill. Two weeks later, Lyndon Johnson (who had pushed the legislation, he maintained, as a tribute to the memory of John F. Kennedy) signed it into law.

New Yorker

What?!? Barry Goldwater voted agianst the 1964 Civil Rights' Bill? You don't say... coffee

...but wait! There's more New Yorker? Hmm

Quote:
[Goldwater] had believed all along that the Southern white vote was basically conservative and potentially Republican. Republicans, he told Georgia activists in 1961, ought to stop chasing the votes of African-Americans and "go hunting where the ducks are." And the ducks in 1964 turned out to be white Democrats in revolt against integration. Goldwater's campaign slogan, "In Your Heart You Know He's Right," was an arrow aimed directly at them. It was a clear allusion to a prejudice that dared not speak its name.

Oh my! There goes that Conservative rehabilitation of Mr. Goldwater. smile

Did yo read ALL of The New Yorker article you posted a link to pdx rick? This paragraph from the article you posted a link to shows that you didn't!
Quote:
Most of the twenty-seven senators who voted against the Civil Rights Act were Southern segregationists. Goldwater was not a segregationist, nor was he any kind of racist. He was, in fact, a lifelong opponent of racial discrimination. At the beginning of his political career, as a city councilman, he had led the fight to end segregation in the Phoenix public schools; his first staff assistant when he went to the Senate, as Perlstein tells us, was a black woman; he was a member of the N.A.A.C.P. Goldwater voted against the Civil Rights Act because he believed, as a conservative, that the federal government did not have the power to compel states to conform to its idea of racial equality, or to dictate to individuals whom they must associate with.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/28/19 11:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Did yo read ALL of The New Yorker article you posted a link to pdx rick? This paragraph from the article you posted a link to shows that you didn't!

I did! And, I formed my own opinion from what I read there and other sources.

Was Goldwater a full-on racist? No. What he a slight racist? Most likely. 49-51, I'd say.

The fact that Mr. Goldwater supported a states' right to segregation is what tips it to 51 for me - plus Goldwater listening to Bork and Rehnquist that the 1964 Civil Rights Act was unconstitutional is how I decided. smile
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/28/19 11:14 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Another regurgitation of the lie that Goldwater was a segregationist. This quote is from article I posted a link to in my first post showing how pdx rick is wrong. It also shows the pdx rick did not read the article.
Quote:
More specifically, Goldwater had problems with title II and Title VII of the 1964 bill. He felt that constitutionally the federal government had no legal right to interfere in who people hired, fired; or to whom they sold their products, goods, and services. He felt that “power” laid in the various states, and with the people. He was a strong advocate of the tenth amendment. Goldwater’s constitutional stance did not mean he agreed with the segregation and racial discrimination practiced in the South. To the contrary, he fought against these kinds of racial divides in his own state of Arizona. He supported the integration of the Arizona National Guard and Phoenix public schools. Goldwater was, also, a member of the NAACP and the Urban League.
A segregationist and a memeber of the NAACP?

Yes, I did see that. I thought it was good cover for Mr. Goldwater's vote. smile As I wrote, at the end of the day, Mr. Goldwater supported a state's right for segregation.

Mr. Goldwater can't have it both ways, because that seems spineless. Hmm

Yes, working to desegregate the public schools of Phoenix as a member of the city council is the work of a segregationist. Integrating the AZ National Guard as the Governor of AZ is the work of a segregationist. Spending his entire political career fighting segregation is the work of a segregationist. What Sen. Goldwater supported was federalism not state's rights. There is a difference.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/28/19 11:19 PM



The 1964 Civil Rights Act was passed on July 2, 1964. Goldwater voted against it. Four months later was the 1964 General Election. Do you think that Goldwater voting against the 1964 Civil Rights Act had anything to do with his defeat? Because Johnson won in a "landslide."

Hmm
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/28/19 11:21 PM


Also, from what I read (because I wasn't born yet), from that election onward, the terms "liberal Republican" and "conservative Democrat" officially referred to rare birds in the American political aviary.

This is where people get the idea of a "switch" of each of the party's liberal and conservative members. smile
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/28/19 11:32 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Did yo read ALL of The New Yorker article you posted a link to pdx rick? This paragraph from the article you posted a link to shows that you didn't!

I did! And, I formed my own opinion from what I read there and other sources.

Was Goldwater a full-on racist? No. What he a slight racist? Most likely. 49-51, I'd say.

The fact that Mr. Goldwater supported a states' right to segregation is what tips it to 51 for me - plus Goldwater listening to Bork and Rehnquist that the 1964 Civil Rights Act was unconstitutional is how I decided. smile
What Sen. Goldwater supported was the I and X Amendments.
Quote:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The I Amendment protects your right to associate with whomever you choose to. That means that forced desegregation is just as bad as forced segregation. If our government can force you to associate with those you don't want to it is on its way to be a tyranny. The X Amendment reaffirms the right to associate with whomever you choose to. In other words people have the right to be racists if they want. Our government does not and should not tell how you must think and what you must believe.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/28/19 11:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
The I Amendment protects your right to associate with whomever you choose to. That means that forced desegregation is just as bad as forced segregation.

Would you be upset if your grandkids were forced to accept black kids or Mexican kids who were bused into their school? Hmm

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
If our government can force you to associate with those you don't want to it is on its way to be a tyranny. The X Amendment reaffirms the right to associate with whomever you choose to. In other words people have the right to be racists if they want. Our government does not and should not tell how you must think and what you must believe.

Yes, people have the right to be racist, and other people have the right to acknowledge the racism of the first group. smile
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/29/19 02:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack

The I Amendment protects your right to associate with whomever you choose to. That means that forced desegregation is just as bad as forced segregation. If our government can force you to associate with those you don't want to it is on its way to be a tyranny. The X Amendment reaffirms the right to associate with whomever you choose to. In other words people have the right to be racists if they want. Our government does not and should not tell how you must think and what you must believe.


Forced desegregation wasn't about association, it was about where you were allowed to go to school. I would like for you to check out what black "separate but equal" schooling was like for kids in Texas before desegregation as you pound your libertarian nonsense about association.


What is it with you people?
You're old enough to remember what it was like in real life.

No, people do not have the right to be racists, not if it inflicts restrictions on another person's rights. The right to go to a school just as good as a white school, the right to eat at whatever restaurant you pick, the right to seek a motel or hotel wherever you want, the right to live wherever you want, the right to go to the damn bathroom in the same facilities everyone else gets to use, fer chrissakes.
Forced desegregation is about equalizing the rights of minorities in an attempt to make them the same as everyone else's.

You don't like black people, who cares? But if they want to go to school where your kids go, and they live in the neighborhood, and you run around saying the government has no business forcing the school district to allow her in, then THIS IS YOU:
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/29/19 03:52 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick


The 1964 Civil Rights Act was passed on July 2, 1964. Goldwater voted against it. Four months later was the 1964 General Election. Do you think that Goldwater voting against the 1964 Civil Rights Act had anything to do with his defeat? Because Johnson won in a "landslide."

Hmm
There were many factors in LBJ's landslide victory. One of them was his shamelessly using the tragedy of JFK's assassination to get people to vote for him. Another was the blatant lie that Goldwater was a racist. This commercial was a big factor in the election. LBJ's Daisy commercial. In 1964 the war in Vietnam was becoming a quagmire for our country. Goldwater said that the use of low yield nuclear weapons to defoliate North Vietnam might be a good idea. This was probably based on the mistaken belief that the use of the atomic bomb could save the lives of American soldiers as the use of them did to end WWII. Another factor was an interview that Mrs. Goldwater gave in which she said her husband had had two nervous breakdowns back in the late 1930's. This was exploited by Ralph Ginzburg publishing an article in his magazine FACT about an unscientific study of Goldwater's mental health. In the study 12,356 psychiatrists, who had never talked to Goldwater were asked if they thought he was fit to be our President. Another factor was LBJ's insecurity from his youth.* Landslide Lyndon, a nick name he got in the 1948 Democratic Senate primary election. In Texas those days if a candidate won the Democratic primary it was the same as winning the general election. In 1964 LBJ wanted a landslide to show that he wasn't an "accidental President" due to JFK's assassination. So Goldwater's vote against the 1964 Civil Rights Act was not that big a factor in the Presidential race.
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/29/19 03:59 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Would you be upset if your grandkids were forced to accept black kids or Mexican kids who were bused into their school? Hmm

When I was in junior high school black kids were bused to my school to integrate it. I become friends with some of them and still see them to this day.

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
If our government can force you to associate with those you don't want to it is on its way to be a tyranny. The X Amendment reaffirms the right to associate with whomever you choose to. In other words people have the right to be racists if they want. Our government does not and should not tell how you must think and what you must believe.

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Yes, people have the right to be racist, and other people have the right to acknowledge the racism of the first group. smile

Racism is a disgusting form of stupidity. Since we will never get rid of stupidity we will never get rid of racism.
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/29/19 04:38 AM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack

The I Amendment protects your right to associate with whomever you choose to. That means that forced desegregation is just as bad as forced segregation. If our government can force you to associate with those you don't want to it is on its way to be a tyranny. The X Amendment reaffirms the right to associate with whomever you choose to. In other words people have the right to be racists if they want. Our government does not and should not tell how you must think and what you must believe.


Forced desegregation wasn't about association, it was about where you were allowed to go to school. I would like for you to check out what black "separate but equal" schooling was like for kids in Texas before desegregation as you pound your libertarian nonsense about association.

What hell to think segregation is? The Jim Crow laws enforcing segregation were to prevent or limit the association of blacks and whites. The Supreme Court decision Plessy v. Ferguson was to prevent, to segregate, blacks and whites from associating with each other when riding the trains in Louisiana.

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
What is it with you people?
You're old enough to remember what it was like in real life.

Yes, I am old enough to remember what it was like. My junior high school was integrated by force. If you didn't post an emotional rant about this and listened to your elders you might learn something.
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
No, people do not have the right to be racists, not if it inflicts restrictions on another person's rights. The right to go to a school just as good as a white school, the right to eat at whatever restaurant you pick, the right to seek a motel or hotel wherever you want, the right to live wherever you want, the right to go to the damn bathroom in the same facilities everyone else gets to use, fer chrissakes.
Yes, people do have the right to be racists. However, there is an old saying about this. A person's liberty A person's right to be a racist does NOT give them the liberty to deny another person's rights.
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Forced desegregation is about equalizing the rights of minorities in an attempt to make them the same as everyone else's.
If that is true than our government can force you do anything it wants to. Do you want our government to have that much power? I doubt it.

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
You don't like black people, who cares? But if they want to go to school where your kids go, and they live in the neighborhood, and you run around saying the government has no business forcing the school district to allow her in, then THIS IS YOU:

Just because we have some mutual acquaintances and we might have meet years ago does not mean you know me well enough to make the claim I don't like black people. Do you remember who sent in troops into Little Rock, AR? It wasn't Sen. Fulbright (D-AR). It was Republican Pres. Eisenhower. In 1957 forced integration was a bad idea that was very necessary to reverse the Plessy v. Ferguson decision. Sometimes it takes a bad idea, forced desegregation, to correct an even worse one, forced segregation.
Posted by: perotista

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/29/19 03:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Doug Thompson
<a href="https://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/69982/010918trump-walkingaway" rel="attachment wp-att-69983"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-69983" src="https://www.capitolhillblue.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/010918trump-walkingaway-950x498.jpg" alt="" width="696" height="365" /></a>

By DOUG THOMPSON - Opinion

Donald Trump is many things: Vain, ego-consumed, temperamental and a man with many other questionable attributes.

Turns out he is lazy -- perhaps the laziest president of the United States in modern times.

Trump spends most of his weekends playing golf at one of his resorts or dining with those who worship his every word.

At the White House, he seldom starts his days in the Oval Office before 11 a.m. or later after lounging the morning away in his White House residence, watching TV, tweeting his latest tirade or calling those still waiting to hear from him or remain in his shrinking circle of "confidants."

He takes breaks during his shortened days and retires to his bedroom or another room at the White House residence.

Trump calls this his "executive time," a label that will undoubtedly become the joke to dominate talk shows.

When he sees something he doesn't like (which happens often) his thumbs get busy knocking out his latest Twitter rant or calling someone to vent his spleen to bitch and moan about how badly people are treating him.

Trump, reportedly, doesn't like being president lately.  It's not even close to what he expected.

<a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-doesnt-seem-to-like-being-president-so-why-not-quit/2017/08/18/83c2e38e-842a-11e7-902a-2a9f2d808496_story.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Writes Evod Von Drehle</a> of The Washington Post:
<blockquote>
<p id="U12203649723580mYH" style="text-align: left;">Evidence is piling up that Donald Trump does not really want to be president of the United States.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">He certainly doesn’t look happy in the job. In his previous life, Trump met whomever he wanted to meet and said whatever he wanted to say. But like all presidents, he finds himself ever more isolated, and his displeasure shows on his face. The loneliness of the job — which so many of his predecessors have ruefully reported — is wearing on him.</p>
<img class="size-large wp-image-69989" src="https://www.capitolhillblue.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/010818trump-angry-950x515.jpg" alt="" width="696" height="377" />

In photos, Trump appears agitated or unhappy or both.

Adds Von Drehle:
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: left;">He was drawn to the fame of it, as he once told me aboard his private jet. “It’s the ratings .&#8201;.&#8201;. that gives you power,” then-candidate Trump explained. “It’s not the polls. It’s the ratings.” He loves being the most talked-about man on Earth.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">It is a paradoxically self-effacing fame. The job demands that hugely competitive, driven, ambitious individuals — for that’s what it takes to win the job — inhabit a role that requires them to be something other than nakedly themselves.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">As some Trump associates tell it, he never intended to be elected. But having won the part, he doesn’t want to play it, a fact irrefutable after Charlottesville. Rather than speak for the nation — the president’s job — he spoke for Trump. Rather than apply shared values, he apportioned blame.</p>
</blockquote>
Trump thought he could conquer the presidency in his "bull in a china closet" style of beating everyone down around him so he could get his way.  As a novice in the top political job in the world, he deals with people in the job much longer who have more knowledge and skills needed to run a country.

Trump never had the patience needed for the job or the willingness to learn the nuances of the presidency.  His waning popularity drains his energy, the revelations of his many failures dog every move and his inability to do his job shows in his drawn features.

"Trump is losing friends faster than a bully at a birthday party," notes Von Dehle.

Trump's contract with America is four years, with an option to extend it for another four if his employers -- the voters (with a lot of help from the Electoral College) -- decide to give him a second chance.

At this point in time, voters in America see little reason to give Trump a contract extension.  His favorable rating is under 35 percent, a record low for a president at the end of his first year in office.  His campaign rallies no longer attract sizable crowds and voters who saw him as someone who would give them a voice now disrespect his embrace of the GOP establish.

A growing number wonder why he is hanging on as his power, approval and ratings fade. At this point, his only saving grace might be to resign and walk away.

Doing so would be the only time in his failed presidency when he put the nation before himself.

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Copyright © 2018 Capitol Hill Blue

Much of this I agree with. I don't think Trump never thought he would be elected. He wanted to use his candidacy to up his TV show ratings and perhaps start his own network.

Trump was the ultimate old showman who thought and probably still thinks there is no such thing as bad publicity. No publicity is bad. I don't think Trump has found the presidency much fun. Perhaps it is his ego that doesn't allow him to just walk away. I am pretty sure he wants to. Especially today, Sep 2019. But he's a battler, a fighter, if the situation gives a hint he is being forced out or is losing a battle, he won't walk. His thin skin ego wouldn't let him. Heck, Trump creates feuds against anyone who has the gall to utter a bad word about him.

Perhaps both Trump and America would be better served if he made
a completely surprised announcement he was resigning the day after tomorrow for any reason he could think up. At least announced that he won't run again in 2020. But with the threat of impeachment hanging over his head, being the fighter he is along with his huge ego, he won't announced anything except revert to more name calling, throwing more temper tantrums via twitter like a four year old kid whose parents failed to teach him any manners.

I do think being new to politics, being very naive about politics, being out of his comfort zone being in politics, not understanding politics along with thinking his in your face bullying style would let him get his way. That Trump has run up against a very political savvy person in the form of Speaker Pelosi that Trump has no chance of winning against her. Not in the arena of politics anyway.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/29/19 03:42 PM

Originally Posted By: perotista
...he's a battler, a fighter, if the situation gives a hint he is being forced out or is losing a battle, he won't walk.

Trump is also very, very vindictive and a scorched-earther. Trump will take-down other people along with him - Trump will never, ever go-down alone - it's not in him to do that. Hmm
Posted by: perotista

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/29/19 06:17 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: perotista
...he's a battler, a fighter, if the situation gives a hint he is being forced out or is losing a battle, he won't walk.

Trump is also very, very vindictive and a scorched-earther. Trump will take-down other people along with him - Trump will never, ever go-down alone - it's not in him to do that. Hmm


I left out his vindictiveness. Now that goes back to all these needless feuds he has created. Yes, I tend to agree with you.
Posted by: rporter314

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/30/19 12:00 AM

Because Mr Trump is a narcissist he will never walk away. In fact he may barricade himself in the bunker and operate a besieged government until liberals surrender.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/30/19 01:45 AM

Originally Posted By: rporter314
Because Mr Trump is a narcissist he will never walk away. In fact he may barricade himself in the bunker and operate a besieged government until liberals surrender.

Trump should pull a David Koresh. smile
Posted by: rporter314

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/30/19 03:35 AM

No narcissist would ever in life make the mistake of admitting they were wrong about anything ... ergo ... Mr Trump would never resign ... and whether he goes willingly or they have to put him in cuffs, he will spend the rest of his days telling anyone who will listen how great is and was for the country and how the Democrats stole the election. I mean can you imagine if he lives another 20 years we have to listen to his crap for all that time.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/30/19 04:06 AM

Der Fuhrer is flipping out!

"His lies were made in perhaps the most blatant and sinister manner ever seen in the great Chamber. He wrote down and read terrible things, then said it was from the mouth of the President of the United States. I want Schiff questioned at the highest level for Fraud & Treason.”
Posted by: Ujest Shurly

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/30/19 10:42 AM

Senator Hatrack said "Do you remember who sent in troops into Little Rock, AR? It wasn't Sen. Fulbright (D-AR). It was Republican Pres. Eisenhower. In 1957 forced integration was a bad idea that was very necessary to reverse the Plessy v. Ferguson decision. Sometimes it takes a bad idea, forced desegregation, to correct an even worse one, forced segregation."

I'm old enough to have memories, though vague, of Little Rock. Eisenhower sent in the troops, federalized Arkansas National Guard, to enforce the 1954 Supreme Court decision on desegregation: Brown v Board of Education of Topika Kansas, and the desegregation agreement passed by the Little Rock School Board. On the day the Little Rock nine were to enter school, the Arkansas Governor sent in the National Guard "to preserve the peace" preventing the Little Rock Nine from entering the school they were registered to attend.

Thanks to Wikipedia for filling in the huge gaps and sharping my memories of that time. Little Rock Nine

So Eisenhower sent in the troops, to enforce a Supreme Court decision and to stop a rebellion of a state, in refusing to uphold the law of the land.
Posted by: perotista

Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. - 09/30/19 12:08 PM

I grew up under IKE and still rate him as the best president in my lifetime. I was born right after WWII. Call me a war baby of sorts.