George Will: Abolish the death penalty

Posted by: Golem

George Will: Abolish the death penalty - 09/30/18 09:55 PM

George F. Will
The Washington Post
September 28, 2018

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Without being aware of it, Vernon Madison might become a footnote in constitutional law because he is barely aware of anything. For more than 30 years, Alabama, with a tenacity that deserves a better cause, has been trying to execute him for the crime he certainly committed, the 1985 murder of a police officer. Twice the state convicted him unconstitutionally (first excluding African Americans from the jury, then insinuating inadmissible evidence into the record). In a third trial, the judge, who during his time on the bench overrode more life sentences (six) than any other Alabama judge, disregarded the jury’s recommended sentence of life imprisonment and imposed the death penalty...

His counsel of record, Bryan A. Stevenson, head of the Equal Justice Initiative in Montgomery, Ala., says it was undisputed in the penalty phase of Madison’s third trial that he already “suffered from a mental illness marked by paranoid delusions.” ...

Madison’s case compels us to focus on the death penalty in its granular reality: Assisting someone who is non-ambulatory, and bewildered because he is (in Stevenson's phrase) “memory-disordered,” to be strapped down so an executioner can try to find a vein — often a problem with the elderly — to receive a lethal injection. Capital punishment is withering away because the process of litigating the administration of it is so expensive, and hence disproportionate to any demonstrable enhancement of public safety, but also because of a healthy squeamishness that speaks well of us...

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Posted by: Greger

Re: George Will: Abolish the death penalty - 10/01/18 05:44 PM

I'm not completely against the death penalty. Some folks simply do not deserve to live. By the same token, they don't deserve a peaceful comfortable death either. The folks I'm talking about showed no mercy in their crimes and deserve none in their punishment.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: George Will: Abolish the death penalty - 10/01/18 06:43 PM

I don't mind executing people either. But you should never do it when there is any possibility of a mistake. Sometimes there is no possibility they got the wrong guy. Like a hostage situation where they know who the bad guy is. Or a bank robbery where the robbers are captured leaving the bank.

I don't want anybody executed just because they look like the person who did it. Eye witness testimony is often worthless, unless the witness knows and talked to the perp at the time of the crime.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: George Will: Abolish the death penalty - 10/01/18 07:30 PM

Here's MY problem with the death penalty:
I don't have any issue with putting an egregious and despicable criminal, such as a serial killer, to death.
I just don't trust the state to "get the right guy" because all too often they HAVE put the wrong people IN PRISON, and put the wrong people to death.
States do it all the time, and state AG's, prosecutors and judges behave as if it's a personal affront for them to have to admit that they might have made a mistake.
Well, if that's how it's going to be, then screw it, NO ONE gets put to death.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: George Will: Abolish the death penalty - 10/01/18 08:39 PM

And George Will has begun his slide into dementia.
Witness his now fawning excuse for Kavanaugh:

"Put yourself in his shoes, he's exhausted"

Hillary didn't resort to snot-crying belligerence, and she was grilled longer and harder, and uncut...for eleven hours, and through EIGHT back to back investigations.
Posted by: Greger

Re: George Will: Abolish the death penalty - 10/01/18 09:48 PM

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I just don't trust the state to "get the right guy" because all too often they HAVE put the wrong people IN PRISON, and put the wrong people to death.


And I agree. If you really need a trial and jury to decide whether someone is guilty then the death penalty probably shouldn't apply.
Posted by: Ujest Shurly

Re: George Will: Abolish the death penalty - 10/02/18 12:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
And George Will has begun his slide into dementia.
Witness his now fawning excuse for Kavanaugh:

"Put yourself in his shoes, he's exhausted"

Hillary didn't resort to snot-crying belligerence, and she was grilled longer and harder, and uncut...for eleven hours, and through EIGHT back to back investigations.





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Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: George Will: Abolish the death penalty - 10/02/18 01:09 PM

(I say, "No, George, put yourself in HER shoes!)
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: George Will: Abolish the death penalty - 10/02/18 04:43 PM

Yeah, I agree about prosecutors. We have no penalties at all, for malicious prosecution. Some of the crap they pull is a crime against humanity. Every prosecutor needs to get credit for innocence as well as guilt. I want prosecutors who are devoted to truth, not conviction. Any trial with a speck of doubt should take the death penalty off the table. Any prosecutor who hides evidence, makes stuff up, etc. should be disbarred.
Posted by: Greger

Re: George Will: Abolish the death penalty - 10/03/18 12:28 AM

Now, you take that blondhaired nazi boy that shot up the black church...
Why is that little f*ckwad still alive?

The creep that shot up the theater?

Any number of others. They should be put down like rabid dogs.