The rising tides are upon us

Posted by: NW Ponderer

The rising tides are upon us - 10/28/18 05:44 PM

Hurricane intensity is on the rise globally, as are, literally, tides. Climate Change Flooding In Rick Scott’s Florida Is Now Routine -- Even As He Denies Its Cause (HuffPo). It is no longer possible (Okay, rational) to deny the real-world impacts that the changing climate is having. Ice is melting and adding to the water levels. Although many scoff at a .5 to 2 inch rise in sea levels, they don't understand ocean dynamics. There are 139.4 million mi˛ of ocean surface in the world. A half inch of water is one third of a gallon in every square foot. There are 27,878,400 square feet in a square mile. For every square mile of ocean, that's an additional 9.23 million gallons of water sloshing around.
Posted by: jgw

Re: The rising tides are upon us - 10/28/18 07:17 PM

You, obviously, don't understand. Those who are called "deniers" are actually kindly Christians who understand that only the Lord has the ability to change the weather. Any inference that is not a fact is immediately dismissed as those kindly, and understanding, Christians that God needs their help to stick up for Him/Her as as not to piss Him/Her off. This is simply yet another example of what true believers can do when they set their minds to it, well, maybe not their minds but everything else?

Just saying.................
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: The rising tides are upon us - 10/29/18 06:59 PM

There are, in my view, two kinds of belief. One is empirical - I "believe" the world is spherical, that 2+2=4, that gravity exists, etc. - because I can make observations that confirm those beliefs. From those beliefs, I extrapolate objective reality and form a belief in science and scientific evidence as a method of inquiry, and a basis for understanding.

The other belief is spiritual. It is based upon "received wisdom" and is not subject to - and often contradicts - proof. The existence of God, the 6000 year old earth, the spontaneous creation of mankind are such beliefs. Because these kinds of beliefs are non-empirical, and often non-intuitive, they are not subject to refutation.

Most of mankind lives in the first world and understands that steps can be taken to address issues like climates change, economic prosperity, social justice. The rest are Republicans. Republicans are the Neanderthals of modern sapiens.
Posted by: Greger

Re: The rising tides are upon us - 10/29/18 09:27 PM

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Republicans are the Neanderthals of modern sapiens.


Boy aint that the truth. They seem to be willing to grudgingly accept that the climate is changing. But they want it to be a natural occurrence rather than one related to burning fossil fuels.

I haven't a clue what "natural" elements they think causes it but I suppose before too long they'll begin to grudgingly accept that carbon is the problem. Whether it's natural or man made, our very survival depends on reducing our carbon footprint and sequestering carbon. Neanderthals failed to do whatever they needed to do last time the climate changed and seem dead set on doing it again.

Soon to be Former Governor Scott has said that he doesn't know what causes it but he thinks climate changes all the time, it's just a cycle.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: The rising tides are upon us - 10/30/18 12:19 AM

God came to me in a vision and said: "STOP BURNING CARBON." (All caps because it really was God.)
Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: The rising tides are upon us - 10/30/18 02:03 PM

The boards of directors of some pretty influencial corporations would disagree with that sentiment PIA. There's Still trillions of dollars under the ground of market world that needs to be brought up to make a buck. It's their moral duty to pursue profits while externalizing costs.

I know not who came to you in your dream but it was not our death god Mammon.
What you say is heresy and I would advise you to stay quit lest the council of economic monks hear. Stay silent and let the calming waters of nihilism sooth your troubled mind.

Repeat the corporate mantra 'There is still scientific debate...'
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: The rising tides are upon us - 10/30/18 11:18 PM

I confess: It was actually "STOP BURNING CARBON, YOU MORONS" but I was trying to be diplomatic.

The way I see it, all that coal, oil, and natural gas in easy reach was our bootstrap. The way to get to an energy solution that doesn't damage the Earth. Stick with the old bootstrap methods and we exterminate ourselves.
Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: The rising tides are upon us - 10/31/18 11:49 AM

That's a good way to put it, PIA.
Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: The rising tides are upon us - 10/31/18 02:00 PM

How you gunna address climate change without addressing neoliberlism?
Not trolling but a serious question. I would like to know how the neoliberal fans can give any more of a coherent Clintonian quasi public/private partnership solution to this problem without confronting the underlying destructive force of neoliberalism.
The ultraright has found a simple solution to the problem. Maintain there is no problem.
What is the right wings ideas? Tax breaks for the well off is all I have seen so far....


Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: The rising tides are upon us - 10/31/18 03:13 PM

Here's a guy with a british accent, so he's either a smart guy, villian or both, explaining what time it is much better than my clumsy attempt.

Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: The rising tides are upon us - 11/01/18 05:23 PM

Well, the right-wing solution is actually "I'll be dead before then, so screw you." when you peel the onion of made up excuses and BS. Which is very strange because they seem most concerned about descendants and legacies. Just look at the whole estate tax issue: The most conservative people are the most concerned about leaving their kids the maximum amount.

I guess the future of the planet would be something that would help a lot of people of other races and ethnicities, so they are against it. But it's definitely a case of throwing their babies out with the bath water. Literally.
Posted by: Greger

Re: The rising tides are upon us - 11/04/18 08:47 PM

They coddle their own babies but don't have any problem throwing everyone else's babies into a vat of toxic industrial waste.

Money has always solved their problems. As the seas rise and the coastal regions are flooding, they simply buy land on higher ground. Problem solved.
As crops fail and billions die they will become the feudal lords with private armies and villages of peasants to grow their food and take care of their eery need. Bezos and Musk are looking to colonize Mars, and will spend enough to save this planet so that our overlords will be able to fly away someday to a safe, but very expensive, extraterrestrial resort where every luxury is manufactured on site.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: The rising tides are upon us - 11/04/18 09:59 PM

I think Mars is a really crappy place to build a space colony. The gravity and atmosphere are pretty useless. You need to make gravity and air, so you might as well just do that in space. Earth orbit seems like a comfortable distance from Sol, in terms of energy you can collect with existing technology. Capture a few comets for gases and asteroids for metals, and you are set.

Build a spinning ring to live in and you have 1 G. Build bigger rings as you get more people. Photovoltaic arrays don't spin so they can point at the sun 24/7.
Posted by: Greger

Re: The rising tides are upon us - 11/07/18 11:56 PM

You're not one o' them Ringworld Engineers are you?

Bezos and Musk have their eyes on Mars. So Mars it is.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: The rising tides are upon us - 11/08/18 12:32 AM

The 38% gravity may be an unsurmountable problem: The only way we know how to make artificial gravity is to spin a wheel and live on the inside rim. But how do you combine full "gravity" from a wheel with 38% real gravity from Mars? In space, you just have to spin your wheel and everything is fine. We need some data with a 0.38 G wheel in orbit to see if 38% gravity is enough to avoid the brain damage and other bad effects of weightlessness.

If it is, then Mars could be a good one-way destination for the retired.
Posted by: Greger

Re: The rising tides are upon us - 11/08/18 01:09 AM

They'll just wear weights to make their weight equal to earth...
grin

There is NO planet B. We all work to keep this one habitable or we die.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: The rising tides are upon us - 11/08/18 01:15 AM

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They'll just wear weights

Does nothing for your fluid balance, lymphatic circulation, brain weight, etc.