Pacific Northwest Weather

Posted by: jgw

Pacific Northwest Weather - 12/08/19 08:06 PM

I live in a place called Port Angeles, WA. We get our water from the Elwah river. Back in the 20's the city built 2 dams on the Elwah river to supply power and water to the city and the City's mills. This worked fine for a long time. However, a decision was made to remove the dams to restore salmon runs. Up here salmon is a big deal. They are the food for the beloved Killer Whales, especially those who have made their food salmon and nothing else. The problem is that there are fewer salmon to feed the whales and this is blamed on the dams. The fact is that what REALLY lowers the salmon population are the sea lions which are salmon eating machines. It used to be that professional fishermen would kill any sea lion seen. This didn't harm the sea lion population but, rather, contained them. They are no longer contained. San Francisco and Astoria, Ore. will attest to this as sea lions have, basically, commandeered entire docks of these and other towns. They have also been responsible for a serious drop in salmon populations. Since sea lions are now a protected species their population is serious growing. I think there is one Indian tribe that now has been given the right to kill off some of the sea lions destroying the salmon runs. Anyway, this is a very simple explanation of the the Salmon problems.

So they ripped out the dams on the Elwah. here is a report on that one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elwha_Ecosystem_Restoration
The cost ended up approximately 10 times more than initially thought. Since Port Angeles depends on the Elwah river for its water supply All of this is important. The problem, now, is the heat wave blob (https://news.mongabay.com/2019/09/the-bl...recent-history/). What is happening is that our snow pack is, right now, a little more than 20% of 'normal'. The snow pack problem will effect not only Port Angeles but places like Seattle as well. On top of that we are also expecting serious fire problems.

So, to recap. We ripped out our dams, which supplied our water to save the salmon for the killer whales because we refused to deal with the eating machines called sea lions (seals also eat a lot of them but, we are told, sea lions are the main culprit). Basically whilst salmon runs have returned to the Elwah river their population is actually continuing to decrease due to protection sea lions and seals. If you google "sea lions and salmon" you will find a lot of information on this one.

So, we no longer have our dams, our snow pack is a bit more than 20% of normal and in decline and our water supply is seriously jeopardized. Add in that Washington state has a serious problem allowing anybody to drill wells or even capture rain water and you might start to understand that there are problems coming.

In spite of this those determined to save the salmon, killer whales, sea lions, etc. have decided that several dams, on the Columbia river must be remove to do all of this. Even though it is not working and will cost, in the end, literally billions of dollars so that they can say they tried and failed (the American way).

The really strange thing is that they now have something called a "salmon canon". This is a system to shoot salmon through a tube hundreds of feet. The salmon actually shoot themselves through said tube. You can google "salmon cannon" to learn more about this (its pretty neat). Salmon cannons, basically, means that tearing out existing dams is no longer necessary to save the salmon runs. (if you googled "salmon cannon" you know about that which I speak and its pretty clever).

So, to recap yet again. The pacific northwest is about ready to experience record fires and water shortage due to "the weather blob". If those determined to fix it by ripping out dams to save the salmon get their way the coming water shortage will increase exponentially. They are likely to get their way anyway and a lot of people are going to serious suffer as a result.

Just thought I would post this just to see if there is any reaction whatsoever. Not only that but it is, I think, a great example of "doing the right thing" is not always "the right thing". Thought I would add that this may be considered another "ain't nature grand" things.

Should also probably apologize as this seemed to go on, and on, and on so - Sorry!
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Pacific Northwest Weather - 12/08/19 08:35 PM

Orcas and Great Whites both eat seal lions. I wonder why they are not taking advantage of the large concentrations of them. Inuits eat them, too. They may be easier to import and convince them to hunt sea lions than orcas or sharks.
Posted by: Greger

Re: Pacific Northwest Weather - 12/08/19 09:49 PM

Quote:
"doing the right thing" is not always "the right thing"


Unintended consequences. Which, more often than not prove to be completely unsolvable, irreparable, and total f*ckups.

We have a bit of a backlog of those plaguing us at the moment.

Down here it's algae blooms on both coasts. Because they drained the everglades and built houses farms and cities on the drained swampland.

There's no way to fix it without more unintended consequences.

Most everything the human race has ever touched has turned to shite.
Posted by: jgw

Re: Pacific Northwest Weather - 12/08/19 09:57 PM

Only because we try VERY HARD! <G>
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Pacific Northwest Weather - 12/09/19 03:01 AM



You, me, and NW_P should meet-up some weekend. NW_P and I are in the south Sound. We could meet halfway. smile
Posted by: jgw

Re: Pacific Northwest Weather - 12/10/19 06:48 PM

I live on the Olympic peninsula and don't get out very often <g> (unless my wife is dragging me off someplace) I suspect (for no real reason) that you live in Portland. We used to go down there every now and then to visit with my wife's brother but not recently as he is a Fox news watcher and always really pissed off.
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: Pacific Northwest Weather - 12/10/19 08:42 PM

Tacoma
Posted by: logtroll

Re: Pacific Northwest Weather - 12/10/19 10:17 PM

Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Tacoma

6th District?
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Pacific Northwest Weather - 12/11/19 02:13 PM

Originally Posted By: jgw
I live on the Olympic peninsula and don't get out very often <g> (unless my wife is dragging me off someplace) I suspect (for no real reason) that you live in Portland. We used to go down there every now and then to visit with my wife's brother but not recently as he is a Fox news watcher and always really pissed off.

I'm in Tacoma.
Posted by: jgw

Re: Pacific Northwest Weather - 12/11/19 07:02 PM

Wow! Pretty close! I go up to American lake to the VA every now and then.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Pacific Northwest Weather - 12/11/19 07:11 PM


I almost went to Port Angeles once, but only got as far as Kingston and took the ferry back to Edmonds, then back to Tacoma.

Went to the San Juans for 4th of July weekend this year. That was fun.

smile
Posted by: jgw

Re: Pacific Northwest Weather - 12/11/19 07:28 PM

Tried to move this to messages - all filled up..........

Have you been to the state surplus store in Olympia? Bargains galore! I went up there once and they were selling plush white terry bathrobes for under 5 bucks each. They were all size 56. I bought a pile of them and gave them to friends. Everybody loved them. its also where the stuff taken by the tsa at airports. They always have piles of knives for sale (knife collectors love that place <g>)

Google "washington state surplus store" for info (& more for other surplus places)
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Pacific Northwest Weather - 12/11/19 08:20 PM

Originally Posted By: jgw
Have you been to the state surplus store in Olympia? Bargains galore! I went up there once and they were selling plush white terry bathrobes for under 5 bucks each.

What?!? $5.00 !!! laugh


Originally Posted By: jgw
They were all size 56.

That's really why they were $5.00

laugh

Quote:
Google "washington state surplus store" for info (& more for other surplus places)

Sounds like a place i should check-out. I've never been to Olympia - only passed through it on Hwy 5 about a gazillion times. smile
Posted by: jgw

Re: Pacific Northwest Weather - 12/12/19 08:53 PM

Size 56 is a GREAT size! Its like wearing a huge blanket with arms <G> I am not even sure it wasn't size 58. Whatever it was it fit EVERYBODY!

OH, you gotta get out more!
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Pacific Northwest Weather - 12/12/19 11:50 PM

My wife and I went to the Port Angeles Story Tellers festival some years back. We were doing a Pacific Northwest grand tour, with a concentration on parks and botanical gardens. Loved the National Park. Then we took the ferry to Victoria and continued our tour.
Posted by: Ardy

Re: Pacific Northwest Weather - 12/27/19 07:51 AM

Ever been to the hoh rainforest? It is very unique

Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Pacific Northwest Weather - 12/29/19 06:38 AM

Yes, that's the main reason we drove around the peninsula, hiking in the rain forest. The story tellers festival was just a serendipitous event on the spur of the moment.

We also hiked around on Shasta a bit and took the ferry over to see the Butchart Gardens. Didn't go up in the Space Needle: Did that in 1961!
Posted by: logtroll

Re: Pacific Northwest Weather - 12/29/19 01:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Ardy
Ever been to the hoh rainforest? It is very unique

Was there a long time ago as a teenager. I remember some bits of it very clearly, it was a magical place.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: Pacific Northwest Weather - 12/29/19 01:48 PM

Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Didn't go up in the Space Needle: Did that in 1961!

I was in Seattle for a wedding back in the early 80's and went up in the Space Needle. My only clear memory of that is I made an elevator related pun that the operator had never heard, and he had a really good laugh - I was so proud! Can't remember what it was, though...
Posted by: jgw

Re: Pacific Northwest Weather - 01/02/20 10:51 PM

I saw where the current snow pack, in the Cascades is something like 14% of normal. If it doesn't get any better there are going to be a LOT of people out of water. Where I live the Olympic Mountains have approximately 22% of the normal snow pack.

We are going to have a pretty interesting summer................
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Pacific Northwest Weather - 01/03/20 03:07 AM

Sierra snow pack has 97% of average water content. California seems to be doing okay.
Posted by: jgw

Re: Pacific Northwest Weather - 01/03/20 06:33 PM

Well, given their ongoing disasters they really do deserve a break! That will also mean there will be less Californians moving up here. I swear, I am beginning to believe that those of us native to the area (Pacific Northwest) are seriously outnumbered by refugees from California.

The really strange thing is that, as a bunch of refugees, they are not all bad. They look like us and they talk like us - another way to say that would be; "They don't look or talk funny!). AMAZING!!!
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Pacific Northwest Weather - 01/04/20 10:36 AM

Yes, Western Washington and Oregon would probably join California if the US ever split up, Not sure about the Eastern parts of those states.
Posted by: jgw

Re: Pacific Northwest Weather - 01/04/20 07:52 PM

With GOOD reason! <G>