600-year-old linen bras found in Austrian castle

Posted by: Ozymanithrax

600-year-old linen bras found in Austrian castle - 07/20/12 01:03 AM

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600-year-old linen bras found in Austrian castle
VIENNA (AP) — A revolutionary discovery is rewriting the history of underwear: Some 600 years ago, women wore bras.

The University of Innsbruck said Wednesday that archeologists found four linen bras dating from the Middle Ages in an Austrian castle. Fashion experts describe the find as surprising because the bra had commonly been thought to be only little more than 100 years old as women abandoned the tight corset.

Instead, it appears the bra came first, followed by the corset, followed by the reinvented bra.

One specimen in particular "looks exactly like a (modern) brassiere," says Hilary Davidson, fashion curator for the London Museum. "These are amazing finds."

So, for at least 600 years, guys have been pretending to yawn wo they could try and take these things off.
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: 600-year-old linen bras found in Austrian castle - 07/20/12 02:13 AM

Everything new is old again.
Posted by: Irked

Re: 600-year-old linen bras found in Austrian castle - 07/20/12 02:22 AM

The Austrian School, once again, proves its worth.
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: 600-year-old linen bras found in Austrian castle - 07/20/12 02:45 PM

LOL. Ahem. But, the important question appears unanswered in the articles: what was the cup size. Enquiring minds want to know.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: 600-year-old linen bras found in Austrian castle - 07/20/12 03:04 PM

Actually, speaking as somewhat of an expert on this subject, cup size nomenclature was still in its infancy at the time, and did not follow our current alphabetical system, which attempts to convey a physical image through a multi-step intellectually abstract conversion process.

Back in the day, cup size was more of a direct volumetric reference, and included the half-pint, pint, quart, half-gallon, and (rarely) the gallon. The cup was thought to be hardly worth mentioning. Hmm

(Note the etymology of the word gal-lon)
Posted by: Ted Remington

Re: 600-year-old linen bras found in Austrian castle - 07/20/12 03:27 PM

"(Note the etymology of the word gal-lon) "

There is some disagreement due to the similarity of the word galleon. One must take into consideration that gallon and galleon are similar, just as cup-size and cap-size are similar. Just as most men were not interested in the cup-size, preferring something a bit larger, so too were the owners of galleons not particularly interested in cap-size.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: 600-year-old linen bras found in Austrian castle - 07/20/12 03:41 PM

I suspicion that some boobs may already be amongst the cups this fine morning?
Posted by: Greger

Re: 600-year-old linen bras found in Austrian castle - 07/20/12 04:41 PM

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half-pint, pint, quart, half-gallon, and (rarely) the gallon. The cup was thought to be hardly worth mentioning
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A half pint being a cup leads me to believe that the volume of the original "A cup" may well have been a "half pint".
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: 600-year-old linen bras found in Austrian castle - 07/20/12 04:41 PM

O-M-G! I know that the ads are random, but while engaging in this discussion, on the left was an ad for "Swim 2012" from bare necessities... advertising sizes from 6-24 and cup size up to K. Now THAT is serendipity!
Posted by: logtroll

Re: 600-year-old linen bras found in Austrian castle - 07/20/12 04:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Greger
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half-pint, pint, quart, half-gallon, and (rarely) the gallon. The cup was thought to be hardly worth mentioning
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A half pint being a cup leads me to believe that the volume of the original "A cup" may well have been a "half pint".

Dang scientits...
Posted by: Ken Condon

Re: 600-year-old linen bras found in Austrian castle - 07/20/12 05:03 PM

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Now THAT is serendipity!

Perhaps not. A software algorithm might have “seen” you type bra and cup--lo and behold!
Ads are targeted like that these days.
Posted by: numan

Re: 600-year-old linen bras found in Austrian cast - 07/20/12 05:28 PM

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ounce....... = 1/2
jack......... = 1/2
gill.......... = 1/2 (soft "g", of course!) · · grin
cup.......... = 1/2 (= 0.2765 litres)
pint......... = 1/2 (A pint's a pound the world around)
quart........ = 1/2
pottle....... = 1/2
gallon....... = 1/2
flagon

Here, I think, the antiquated binary English system will not replace the scientific Système International. I cannot imagine measuring bra sizes in multiples of 0.2765 litres. · · wink
Posted by: 2wins

Re: 600-year-old linen bras found in Austrian cast - 07/20/12 05:38 PM

how about by the handfuls?
Posted by: logtroll

Re: 600-year-old linen bras found in Austrian cast - 07/20/12 05:46 PM

Originally Posted By: 2wins
how about by the handfuls?


The handful was considered but rejected due to a lack of objective measure caused by tactile and eroginal variabilities, though early iterations were fashioned after fingers and palms, hence the phrase, "He sure is handy".

Posted by: numan

Re: 600-year-old linen bras found in Austrian cast - 07/20/12 06:04 PM

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One handful is a recognized element of the English system of measurements -- though it is usually called an ounce (Latin usually triumphs over the good, old Anglo-Saxon terms!)

one handful = 2 mouthfuls = 2 tablespoons
one mouthful = 4 drams
one dram = 60 minims

A minim is essentially one liquid drop.

By the way, a "pinch" = 5 minims, and a "dash" = 10 minims.

Not universally recognized, of course! · · wink
Posted by: logtroll

Re: 600-year-old linen bras found in Austrian cast - 07/20/12 06:14 PM

Originally Posted By: numan
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One handful is a recognized element of the English system of measurements -- though it is usually called an ounce (Latin usually triumphs over the good, old Anglo-Saxon terms!)

one handful = 2 mouthfuls = 2 tablespoons
one mouthful = 4 drams
one dram = 60 minims

A minim is essentially one liquid drop.

By the way, a "pinch" = 5 minims, and a "dash" = 10 minims.

Not universally recognized, of course! · · wink

offtopic offtopic offtopic

noomie! We Are Talking About Bras And Boobs, Here!

You let your handful comments drift TOO FAR!

Now, back to the topic at hand...



Posted by: numan

Re: 600-year-old linen bras found in Austrian cast - 07/20/12 06:38 PM

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Ahem! I was not the person who first wandered off into volumetric side issues !!

http://readerrant.capitolhillblue.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=229957#Post229957

Let he who is without sin cup the first breast !!

................but, good my brother,
Do not as some ungracious pastors do,
Show me the steep and thorny way to heaven,
Whiles like a puff'd and reckless libertine,
Himself the primrose path of dalliance treads,
And recks not his own rede.

---Hamlet, act 1, scene three