RoundTable for Fall 2019

Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/01/19 11:25 PM

Welcome
To
The ReaderRant Roundtable
for Fall 2019


Well, here we are looking at the end of the second decade of the twenty-first century. I dunno bout the rest of you but I hardly even imagined myself making it to the year 2020.
It's almost like that song "In the Year 2525"...



Except that no one predicted that sudden sharp turn that made Idiocracy transform from a science fiction comedy to a documentary, at least according to the writer and director of the film!



Wifey and I are about to pull the trigger on solar power, and we're hoping we pick the right people and the right firm to do the job.
I know some of you already have solar, so I am open to any suggestions!

The quest for new Ranters continues apace.
Please feel free to invite anyone you feel is quality people to our family. Just let me know what name or handle they go by.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/02/19 12:11 AM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
...Fall 2019...

Checks calendar. Yup, still summer. smile But, what the heck, kids start school on Tuesday. laugh
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/02/19 12:13 AM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
... here we are looking at the end of the second decade of the twenty-first century. I dunno bout the rest of you but I hardly even imagined myself making it to the year 2020...

Only realized it yesterday that another decade is gone. Time flies... Hmm
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/02/19 01:12 AM

The first question with solar is: Lease or buy? I bought because with my electronics background I had little trouble serving as my own installer. San Diego County lets a homeowner DIY this stuff as long as you sign a form that says any stupid accidents are your own damned fault. You still have to follow all the rules, get a permit, and pass inspection. I found the inspectors quite helpful, despite bad press. The biggest hassle was with SDG&E not accepting my grid-tie inverter model and having to replace it to get approved for net metering. Actually, if I had not taken so long they would have approved the old one and grandfathered it in.

The plans I drew with Visio and the ground mount manufacturer's supplied engineering analysis. I did have to have a Professional or Civil Engineer stamp my plans. Once I found one that took about five minutes and $25.

Digging the holes for the ground mount foundation was interesting. I got to rent one of those sit-on-top excavators.

For most folks, the alternatives are lease it from an installation company, or buy it from an installation company. I think very few will try to buy pieces of it and then hire an installer to put it in.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/02/19 01:38 AM



You can purchase a Sunrun solar installation project through Costco's Home Improvement Department.

Plus you'll receive a Costco Cash Card for 10% of the purchase amount that you can use at Costco or cash-out until 12/31/19. smile
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/02/19 02:04 AM

There you go: Costco has great stuff. Costco solar is a pretty good recommendation. As long as you are getting UL approved solar panels and equipment, it pretty much all comes with a 25 year warranty. Get it done before the end of the year and you get a 30% tax rebate from the IRS. Hard to beat that.

It may need some lead time because a roof mount suggests you redo your roof as you put on the panel mounts. It's best to coordinate both to get the best installation.
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/02/19 03:09 AM

It won't be Fall for three more weeks. It's not a fire festival or anything but it's the second harvest feast and deserves a certain amount of respect. We call it Mabon.

It's hard to get the infidels to respect your religious customs **sighs**
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/02/19 03:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Greger
It won't be Fall for three more weeks. It's not a fire festival or anything but it's the second harvest feast and deserves a certain amount of respect. We call it Mabon.

It's hard to get the infidels to respect your religious customs **sighs**

I'm sure there is a court case working its way up to the SCOTUS to protect your religious freedom. Patience. smile
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/02/19 03:38 AM

Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
There you go: Costco has great stuff. Costco solar is a pretty good recommendation. As long as you are getting UL approved solar panels and equipment, it pretty much all comes with a 25 year warranty. Get it done before the end of the year and you get a 30% tax rebate from the IRS. Hard to beat that.

It may need some lead time because a roof mount suggests you redo your roof as you put on the panel mounts. It's best to coordinate both to get the best installation.


Ahhh, there's the rub. We have those Spanish Mission style roof tiles, and at first we kept hearing that "NOBODY INSTALLS SOLAR" on those kinds of roofs but I know that's not really true.
It boils down to "lots of solar co's don't WANT to install on clay/concrete tile", so there's that issue.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/02/19 07:14 AM

If you have room somewhere else in the yard say, you could use a ground mount. Lots of Walmarts actually have big ground mounts in the parking lot. Need a patio shade? Solar panels let a bit of light through but they make a great patio cover. They are pretty light, like 50 pounds for a 24 square foot panel. Less than asphalt shingles.

All the mounting hardware manufacturers make hardware for tile roofs. I guess the hard part is finding somebody to install it. Rancho Bernardo in Sand Diego County is all tile roofs by HOAs, and LOTS of them have roof-mounted solar. You may have to shop North San Diego county installers.
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/02/19 03:06 PM

I needed a new roof, and I really wanted to make it solar. I really like the Tesla/SolarCity integrated roofs but: a) I can't get them here, because they only lease, and b) my house is like the worst solar location in the neighborhood. I have lots of big trees (even a sequoia) that shade the house all day. That's the trade off.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/02/19 09:49 PM

Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
If you have room somewhere else in the yard say, you could use a ground mount. Lots of Walmarts actually have big ground mounts in the parking lot. Need a patio shade? Solar panels let a bit of light through but they make a great patio cover. They are pretty light, like 50 pounds for a 24 square foot panel. Less than asphalt shingles.

All the mounting hardware manufacturers make hardware for tile roofs. I guess the hard part is finding somebody to install it. Rancho Bernardo in Sand Diego County is all tile roofs by HOAs, and LOTS of them have roof-mounted solar. You may have to shop North San Diego county installers.


I was actually sorta thinking about a back faux patio cover arrangement to be honest. I don't have enough back yard to install enough so I'd still wind up with a few of them in front anyway, but it would be a small number in front, maybe six panels max.

But our place is pretty open to the sun, as you can see:
Casa de Checkers
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/02/19 11:46 PM


Some Flor-i-duh Evangelicals gather on Jacksonville Beach Pier to pray Hurricane Dorian away.

coffee

Mebbe if they blow hard enough, they can blow the hurricane back out to sea. smile

Isn't that how mystical, magical thinking works? Hmm
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/03/19 12:56 AM



President Numbskull doubles-down on Dorian affecting Alabama.

This idiot just can't ever be wrong. rolleyes

Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/03/19 05:46 AM


For P_I_A:

Quote:
Police were called to a Popeyes in Houston, Texas after a violent confrontation — over chicken sandwiches.

“An armed group of people rushed the door of a Popeyes Chicken restaurant in southeast Houston Monday night demanding chicken sandwiches,” KTRK-TV reported Monday evening.

- ABC 13 - Houston


Are they really THAT good? I guess I'll have to try one. smile
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/03/19 06:51 PM

I had a chicfilet sandwich once. It was awful. If the Popeyes sandwich is a lot better it could still be awful.

Publix Fried chicken on a Hawaiian roll with remoulade sauce is best.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/03/19 06:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Greger
I had a chicfilet sandwich once. It was awful. If the Popeyes sandwich is a lot better it could still be awful.

Publix Fried chicken on a Hawaiian roll with remoulade sauce is best.


Careful, some of those ammo-sexuals might show up at Publix now!
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/04/19 04:06 AM


WTF is Ivanka wearing? She looks absolutely ridiculous. Hmm

Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/04/19 04:19 AM


Don't watch this video of Jerry Falwell Jr and his pool boy...erm "personal trainer" with you eyes closed - least you get the wrong idea.

coffee

( Falwell Jr just gave an 18-acre racquetball and fitness facility once owned by Liberty University to this guy. )

Instagram
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/04/19 07:10 PM

And in other news, two pastors wives got into a scuffle that ultimately erupted in gunfire.

ARGUMENT BETWEEN WEST VIRIGINIA PASTORS' WIVES ENDS WITH GUNFIRE IN CHURCH PARKING LOT

Hmmmm, she seems nice. tinfoilhat



Kinda reminds me of the infamous Jonesboro Church Wars of the 1930's in Jonesboro, Arkansas, where Karen and I once lived.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/04/19 07:16 PM


ROTFMOL smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/04/19 07:19 PM



Donnie Dumbass triples-down on his claim Alabama was in Dorian's range. The idiot used a Sharpie to ended the cone of the projected area affected. "Bed Bugs" just can't ever be wrong and he does things to make himself look right when he is wrong. What a sick fck. Hmm


Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/04/19 09:37 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
I think that's taking the whole "Christian soldier" thing a little far...
Posted by: SimonSC

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/05/19 01:06 PM

Quote:
(Terrorist) Attacks could be indiscriminate, including in places frequented by foreigners ... such as shopping malls, markets, monuments, tourist destinations, demonstrations, large gatherings and on public transport.

I need to send a note to the New Zealand government to add "churches" to the list on their Travel Advisory for the United States... coffee
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/05/19 04:26 PM

That's a rare old voice!
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/05/19 05:58 PM



Trump's SharpieGate just won't go away. smile

Also, did you know that it's a felony to knowingly put out misinformation about a weather report? Who knew? Clearly Donnie Dumbass didn't. laugh
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/05/19 06:47 PM

Y'know...I almost consider President Trump to be a fellow Floridian. So in defense of this overblown faux pas let me assure you it's just the way a Floridian looks at hurricane predictions. We don't believe them and every one of us feels better qualified than the weather bureau to predict their paths. I've done that to many a map, although somewhat less lately since sharpie is hard to get off the screen...They handed him a map and he said "I bet it goes this way!" and scrawled that on the map.

Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/05/19 07:02 PM





smile
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/05/19 07:23 PM

Everyone please welcome a member of DebatePolitics: ttwtt78640

Yes, that's a real handle, not a spambot.
I am at a loss as to what nickname to give him but he's a good guy.

No, he's NOT quite what you would call a liberal by any stretch of the imagination. My aim is to get some balanced talent in here.
I've invited some more DP-ers, and hopefully they will show up, too.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/05/19 07:26 PM

Can we call you Tweddy or Teddy?
It beats Twitty by a longshot.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/05/19 07:37 PM

Please extend a warm welcome to Perotista.
Welcome to the madness, Perotista.
We're glad you're here!
Posted by: Ujest Shurly

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/05/19 08:11 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick


Trump's SharpieGate just won't go away. smile


Sharpies are a permanent wink
Posted by: Ujest Shurly

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/05/19 08:13 PM

Welcome, Perotista.
Posted by: Ujest Shurly

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/05/19 08:20 PM

Maybe civil rights just caught a break.

Victory over ‘civil liberties train wre...nconstitutional
Posted by: perotista

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/05/19 08:45 PM

Thank you. Hope folks don't mind someone who isn't all that partisan or an ideologue. One who dislikes both major parties. As time goes by, I'm sure I'll get a chance to explain and expand on that. Just give me time to get to know the site.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/05/19 09:00 PM

Originally Posted By: perotista
Thank you. Hope folks don't mind someone who isn't all that partisan or an ideologue. One who dislikes both major parties. As time goes by, I'm sure I'll get a chance to explain and expand on that. Just give me time to get to know the site.


Take all the time you need but feel free to jump in and argue whenever it suits your fancy.



That's PDX Rick and NWP trying to have it out.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/05/19 10:19 PM

Originally Posted By: perotista
Thank you. Hope folks don't mind someone who isn't all that partisan or an ideologue. One who dislikes both major parties. As time goes by, I'm sure I'll get a chance to explain and expand on that. Just give me time to get to know the site.

Welcome to Reader Rant at Capitol Hill Blue - the oldest political website on the 'net. smile
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/05/19 10:25 PM

Quote:
Sharpies are a permanent


They claim to be, but you can wipe their ink right off many non-porous surfaces with lacquer thinner.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/05/19 10:45 PM



Just when you thought emotionally unhinged Trump and his SharpieGate could not get any more weird, the White House found a "Rear Admiral" (John Miller? John Barron?) to fall on the Sharpie and state he briefed Trump on Dorian's impact on Alabama.

via Twitter

Putin is eating popcorn and enjoying this shyte show. Hmm
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/05/19 11:02 PM


Only Trump's hand-drawn NOAA maps will be released to the public, henceforth:

Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/06/19 02:29 AM

Please put your hands together and welcome Ikari to our familia.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/06/19 02:29 AM

Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Quote:
Sharpies are a permanent


They claim to be, but you can wipe their ink right off many non-porous surfaces with lacquer thinner.


But Donnie's head is porous, no?
Just asking for a friend.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/06/19 03:12 AM

And last but not least, please welcome Moot to our familia.
Welcome to the madness, Moot laugh
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/06/19 03:51 AM


Jeffrey's becoming a regular political groupie Pied Piper. smile

Welcome to Reader Rant new Ranters. Bow
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/06/19 04:02 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick

Jeffrey's becoming a regular political groupie Pied Piper. smile

Welcome to Reader Rant new Ranters. Bow


We need new blood, stir s*** around. wink
Posted by: Ujest Shurly

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/06/19 12:38 PM

Welcome Ikari


Welcome Moot


Now post something feedtrolls
Posted by: Ujest Shurly

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/06/19 12:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Quote:
Sharpies are a permanent


They claim to be, but you can wipe their ink right off many non-porous surfaces with lacquer thinner.


But Donnie's head is porous, no?
Just asking for a friend.


More porous than comb jellies, one would think.
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/06/19 01:04 PM

Welcome new Ranters. It must seem strange to be a newbie again ...
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/06/19 03:20 PM

Originally Posted By: perotista
Thank you. Hope folks don't mind someone who isn't all that partisan or an ideologue. One who dislikes both major parties. As time goes by, I'm sure I'll get a chance to explain and expand on that. Just give me time to get to know the site.


Neither party has any plans or goals to save the planet and the human race. My goals include both of those things as well as destroying both political parties in my march towards Global Utopian Social Democracy.

Maybe I'm an ideologue...is egalitarianism an ideology? There are SO many to choose from! I wanted to be a Socialist, because that's what my political adversaries call me. But Merriam-Webster disagrees or is wrong and just who the hell am I to say the dictionary is wrong?

Welcome to all the new Ranters! Jump in, we bite but also expect to get bitten.
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/06/19 04:23 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick

Jeffrey's becoming a regular political groupie Pied Piper.
Jeff "PP" Haas?
Posted by: logtroll

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/06/19 04:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Greger
Global Utopian Social Democracy.


GUSP!!!!
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/06/19 06:12 PM

Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Originally Posted By: pdx rick

Jeffrey's becoming a regular political groupie Pied Piper.
Jeff "PP" Haas?


Snort! Don't encourage him, NWP ROTFMOL
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/06/19 06:23 PM

In other news, get your old trippy-hippie garb out, looks like Johns Hopkins is going to start doing fresh research on psychedelics!

Quote:
On Wednesday, Johns Hopkins Medicine announced the launch of the Center for Psychedelic and Consciousness Research, to study compounds like LSD and psilocybin for a range of mental health problems, including anorexia, addiction and depression.


Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/06/19 06:33 PM

I did a sh*t ton of psychedelics. Far more than was probably healthy. I don't claim to have remained completely sane.

But I don't suffer from anorexia, addiction, or depression so apparently it worked on that.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/06/19 10:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Greger
I did a sh*t ton of psychedelics. Far more than was probably healthy. I don't claim to have remained completely sane.

But I don't suffer from anorexia, addiction, or depression so apparently it worked on that.


I've revealed this on other forums but for some reason I never made mention of it here at home.

I'm on the autism spectrum. I'm an Aspie.
Asperger Syndrome
To say I was a strange kid is an understatement.
I literally viewed people, even my siblings and parents, as "machines" as a child, and I spent as little time interacting with people as possible. My world consisted of anything with switches, dials or knobs.

Psychedelics broke me out of the round, windowless concrete room that was my mind, and opened my consciousness to the world around me, and the people in it. (age fifteen)

Acid, shrooms and peyote literally were "miracle drugs" for this Ranter. They are the reason I am able to have rewarding and fulfilling human relationships today.

PS: I wasn't officially diagnosed until age 46 by a VA neurologist.
But it all made perfect sense. All the puzzle pieces as to why I was such a weirdo suddenly fit together.
It was actually something of a relief to understand finally, what made me tick.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/06/19 11:13 PM

You didn't seem like that much of a weirdo when I visited you... putting you in a mental lineup with most of my friends and you appear to be the normal one - no offense intended... LOL
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/06/19 11:41 PM

I was pretty opened up by psychedelics around age 17, myself. I was pretty set on going to Med School before then, but I realized there were other things I liked a lot better. Just for fun I took a lot of Occupational Electronics in high school, and was pretty much the mad inventor in those classes. For example, one of my inventions was a working model of learned behavior, complete with stimuli, responses, reward, remembering, and forgetting. The neurologist's son who made a model of a single neuron was probably the only other person in the entire school who understood what I had done. No prize in the school science fair, because nobody understood I had built a (primitive) AI in 1967.

Psychedelics helped me see that I could do what I really wanted in life. It's been a blast so far.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/07/19 01:05 AM

Originally Posted By: logtroll
You didn't seem like that much of a weirdo when I visited you... putting you in a mental lineup with most of my friends and you appear to be the normal one - no offense intended... LOL



When I was a little one, I was VERY weird, circus wierd, carnival attraction weird. Yeah of course I seemed relatively old, decrepit and well adjusted when you saw me. I'm talking about when I was five, seven, eleven, thirteen, those years and the ones in between.

Everyone who knew me back in my childhood says I am completely different from the kid they knew.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/07/19 01:19 AM

Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all

Psychedelics helped me see that I could do what I really wanted in life. It's been a blast so far.


Helped me see that I could be WHO I wanted to be.



Posted by: HumblePi

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/07/19 03:45 AM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all

Psychedelics helped me see that I could do what I really wanted in life. It's been a blast so far.


Helped me see that I could be WHO I wanted to be.





I'll bet you never knew you had a doppelganger back in 1967, 'Ernie' from My Three Sons.

Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/07/19 04:21 AM

Originally Posted By: HumblePi
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all

Psychedelics helped me see that I could do what I really wanted in life. It's been a blast so far.


Helped me see that I could be WHO I wanted to be.





I'll bet you never knew you had a doppelganger back in 1967, 'Ernie' from My Three Sons.



It's all I ever heard as a kid!
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/07/19 02:43 PM

McConnell vows to protect Kentucky middle school from Trump's grab for wall funding (CNN). This was so rich, I literally woke the dog laughing.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/07/19 03:02 PM

The Con-servatives are eating each other.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/07/19 10:32 PM

Is there anything wrong with a good gin and tonic?
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/08/19 12:52 AM

Quote:
Is there anything wrong with a good gin and tonic?


Yeah, gin and tonic: Both are obnoxious.

But back to the Republican's dilemma. It's hilarious that Republicans would expect the Democratic House to throw more money at the military funding projects. Just so Trump can steal it again? Like one democratic Senator said:

Quote:
“I’m not voting to appropriate the same money to the same project twice because what they are doing is illegal and I’m not an idiot,” tweeted Sen. Brian Schatz of Hawaii, the top Democrat on the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Military Construction and Veterans Affairs.
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/08/19 01:19 AM

I gotta side with PIA on the gin and tonic thing. It's definitely an acquired taste.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/10/19 07:05 PM



The Taliban are saying that THEY cancelled the meeting because Trump wanted to turn the meeting into a photo op. Who do you believe?

Hmm
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/10/19 07:48 PM



Devin Nunes at Sacramento Airport FR 09/06/19



I really wanted to ask him about that late-night ride to the WH in 2017 and why is he suing @DevinsCow from Twitter.

smile

ps. My phone made a camera-click when I took the piccy. (No one noticed. laugh )
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/10/19 07:51 PM




Overheard three old hens with really thick southern drawls at Sea-Tac FR 09/06/19

Hen 1: "That Bernie is such a socialist."
Hen 2: "What about that Joe Biden? Why...he's dumber than ah yam."
Hen 3: "The Democrats don't know what they're doin'."

As if your bloated orange clown does? Hmm
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/13/19 02:31 AM

Quote:
I got pulled over and my vape was in my cup holder and the trooper was like “you know the news says those things are killing people”
I laughed a lil bit and said “they say the same about y’all”
He ain’t laugh
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/13/19 03:03 PM

Herr Trump says "there was nobody here in America twenty-five years ago, and therefore air and water was cleaner than it is now." Twenty five years ago was 1994.

The man's cheese is falling off his cracker right before our very eyes!

Twitter link
Posted by: logtroll

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/13/19 03:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Herr Trump says "there was nobody here in America twenty-five years ago, and therefore air and water was cleaner than it is now." Twenty five years ago was 1994.

The man's cheese is falling off his cracker right before our very eyes!

Twitter link

Quote:
"But I have to be very accurate...", sez King Kon!

ROTFMOL
Posted by: Ujest Shurly

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/13/19 03:51 PM

Oh WOW! You mean it was not me walking around Philly in the 60s breathing in all that yellowish air and watching the black Delaware flow under the Tacony Palmyra bridge and being unable to see William Penn while crossing the bridge... Miracles, upon miracles.

Here is what President Donald (swiss cheese without a cracker) Trump was breathing back in 66. It may explain his tiny, diseased, swiss cheese brain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_New_York_City_smog

And for those that care to know the genesis of the Clean Air movement and later The Clean Air Act. Who says pollution does not kill: Donora Pennsylvania - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Donora_smog
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/14/19 04:30 AM


Trump thinks his VP's name is Mike Pounce. We can add that to Trump's list:

Windmill Cancer
Airports seized during the Revolutionary War
Oranges of the “Russer” investigation.
Raking the forest
Aircraft One
Sharpie on a NOAA map
Call his VP Mike “Pounce”

smile

Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/14/19 05:08 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick

Trump thinks his VP's name is Mike Pounce. We can add that to Trump's list:

Windmill Cancer
Airports seized during the Revolutionary War
Oranges of the “Russer” investigation.
Raking the forest
Aircraft One
Sharpie on a NOAA map
Call his VP Mike “Pounce”

smile



It's kafkaesque.
Except Kafka would impeach Trump. LOL
Posted by: logtroll

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/15/19 02:24 PM

Chilly here this morning, like the Oregon coast. Rained some all night, drizzly and drippy with a bit of fog settled in. We left the windows open, as is our routine for cooling the house for the next day, so it's now 60 degrees inside and out - may be a bit of an overreach. The house smells vaguely of maryjane, due to the partial hemp crop drying on string lines upstairs. Time for snuggling with dogs and cats under comforters, hot coffee, reading, and cogitating upon the human condition...
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/15/19 03:06 PM

Originally Posted By: logtroll
Chilly here this morning, like the Oregon coast. Rained some all night, drizzly and drippy with a bit of fog settled in. We left the windows open, as is our routine for cooling the house for the next day, so it's now 60 degrees inside and out - may be a bit of an overreach. The house smells vaguely of maryjane, due to the partial hemp crop drying on string lines upstairs. Time for snuggling with dogs and cats under comforters, hot coffee, reading, and cogitating upon the human condition...
I'm currently in a similar condition. We have a timeshare condo that we visit quarterly. This week the weather is cloudy, 50-60s. When we arrived it was pleasant to sit in a condo that was 68 degrees, but, in the evening we discovered that heat wouldn't turn on. Uh-oh! Fortunately, my computer is generating heat, so my hands are warm.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/15/19 03:58 PM

The folks in this article are friends of mine...

Gila National Forest lookout
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/15/19 04:31 PM

Quote:
weather is cloudy, 50-60s.

We won't see that kind of weather until the dead of winter. And not much of it then.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/15/19 07:14 PM

It's already starting to cool down here in SoCal, after a two week "heat wave", and I put that in quotes because after ten years in the American version of Saudi Arabia (Dallas) nothing is a real heat wave anymore...but it was 95 degrees so it was a bit warm for a spell.

Now fall will be in the air and in two weeks we'll barely see the A/C come on at all for the next six months. And we can open the windows laugh
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/15/19 07:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
It's already starting to cool down here in SoCal, after a two week "heat wave"...

I was there from 09/06 to 09/10/19 in El Lay. Indeed warm, but not too bad. Upper 80s. Hmm
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/15/19 08:19 PM

Quote:
Now fall will be in the air and in two weeks we'll barely see the A/C come on at all for the next six months. And we can open the windows


That's pretty much the forecast here too.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/15/19 08:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Greger
Quote:
Now fall will be in the air and in two weeks we'll barely see the A/C come on at all for the next six months. And we can open the windows

That's pretty much the forecast here too.

What's A/C? I've heard of AOC...
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/15/19 09:17 PM

Originally Posted By: logtroll
Originally Posted By: Greger
Quote:
Now fall will be in the air and in two weeks we'll barely see the A/C come on at all for the next six months. And we can open the windows

That's pretty much the forecast here too.

What's A/C? I've heard of AOC...


Picture a compressor filled with Puron (modern equivalent of freon) and a condenser with a fan. The compressed gases absorb heat and the cooler liquified gas flows under pressure through the condenser and the fan circulates the cold air throughout the house.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/15/19 09:18 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
It's already starting to cool down here in SoCal, after a two week "heat wave"...

I was there from 09/06 to 09/10/19 in El Lay. Indeed warm, but not too bad. Upper 80s. Hmm


You sh!tbird, you should have let me know. Karen and I would have taken you out to lunch.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/16/19 08:07 AM

We went to see “Yesterday” day before yesterday. It was interesting, simple and clean, full of excellent Beatles songs. I woke up with this one playing in my head and thought I’d share it as a metaphorical mental palate cleanser.

Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/16/19 03:39 PM

Originally Posted By: logtroll
We went to see “Yesterday” day before yesterday. It was interesting, simple and clean, full of excellent Beatles songs. I woke up with this one playing in my head and thought I’d share it as a metaphorical mental palate cleanser.



I love remembering the old classic Beatles films. But they were generally about "nothing", or employed a thin plot as veneer to peddle more Beatles music, which was perfectly fine by me because I just wanted to watch and listen to them performing. A few amusing vignettes connected by a thin thread was more than enough.

It's come to my attention that THIS film, however, has a real story behind it, which intrigues me. I'm aware of the basic plot elements.
I can't wait to see it.
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/17/19 07:04 PM

I read one of the best insults in my experience recently. "That is a remarkably smooth brain you have." I'm looking for an opportunity to use it.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/17/19 07:39 PM

Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
I read one of the best insults in my experience recently. "That is a remarkably smooth brain you have." I'm looking for an opportunity to use it.

It won't take long around here... coffee
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/18/19 12:52 AM



Trump 2020:
incompetent, indecisive, intolerant and ineffective
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/18/19 02:42 AM


NutandYahoo refuses to concede election. This will be America's future too in November 2020 when the current occupant of the White House refuses to leave.

Hmm
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/18/19 05:30 AM



In violation of Israeli election laws, NutandYahoo repeatedly declared an "emergency" on Election Day by going on TV or Facebook convincing voters who have not voted that "Arabs" and "Leftists" are getting out the vote and the he needed Conservatives who had not voted to come out to vote for him.

We can expect the same kind of desperation in our election next year from Donald J Trump. Hmm
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/18/19 12:43 PM



Looks like NutandYahoo lost the election in Israel and will face charges for corruption. Bibi's only chances of staying out of prison was to win re-election.

My hope is the same for Donald J Trump - that he loses re-election next November 2020 and is handed a bunch of indictments on his way out of the door of the White House. That couldn't happen to a better man.

smile
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/18/19 03:12 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick


Looks like NutandYahoo lost the election in Israel and will face charges for corruption. Bibi's only chances of staying out of prison was to win re-election.

My hope is the same for Donald J Trump - that he loses re-election next November 2020 and is handed a bunch of indictments on his way out of the door of the White House. That couldn't happen to a better man.

smile
I had the same thoughts.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/18/19 06:49 PM

Quote:
What Bibi knows is exactly what Trump, in his heart of hearts, must truly fear. The look of a different wall from the inside. The prison wall.

...

True, Donald Trump promised and failed to deliver a wall paid for by the Mexicans he so viciously incited against. And true, he has forced military families into distress, their children denied proper schools and other necessities, just to pay for part of the wall he’s failed to deliver.

But, from the first and all along, the flailing president had one strong, imposing wall to fall back on. And now it’s gone. It was called Benjamin Netanyahu.

- Haaretz.com

Ouch. Does anybody like Donald J Trump besides his sycophants? smile
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/18/19 06:59 PM

Even they don't like him.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/19/19 02:39 AM



The internet is exploding right now over news that a DNI employee overheard "the guy in the WH" make a promise to a foreign leader unbeknownst to anyone else.

The whistleblower did things the right way by going to Intelligence Community Inspector General. IG found report credible and “urgent,” and now the acting Director of National Intelligence refusing to hand over the whistleblower complaint to the House Intelligence Committee on orders from Burr's DOJ and the Committee has ordered the acting DNI guy to speak behind close doors tomorrow.

#TRE45ON

frown
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/19/19 02:48 AM

#TRE45ON

No...EM0LUM3NT5
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/19/19 02:51 AM

Originally Posted By: Greger
#TRE45ON

No...EM0LUM3NT5

Whichever one sends Donald J Trump to prison the quickest, works for me. smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/19/19 03:08 AM


Found a good summary of the above:

Quote:
'Credible' Whistleblower Complaint Reportedly Involved Trump Pledge To Foreign Leader.


Trumps loyal acting DNI Director fails to follow the law & brief the gang of 8 but instead consults Trumps loyal AG and White House neither of which should be involved.


smile
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/19/19 03:35 AM

Quote:
What Bibi knows is exactly what Trump, in his heart of hearts, must truly fear. The look of a different wall from the inside. The prison wall.

Oh look! My leftist agenda is just falling into place all around me!
Bibi's going down and then Trump a year later.

Zippity doo dah.....
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/19/19 03:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Greger
Quote:
What Bibi knows is exactly what Trump, in his heart of hearts, must truly fear. The look of a different wall from the inside. The prison wall.

Oh look! My leftist agenda is just falling into place all around me!
Bibi's going down and then Trump a year later.

Zippity doo dah.....

There's nothing worse than a Conservative ruining...erm, running a country. coffee
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/19/19 03:58 AM



Bibi is probably extremely beside himself that the Arabs picked up 13 seats in the Knesset. smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/19/19 04:16 AM



Getting back to Donald J Trump, several intelligence blogs are saying the intel rumors flying through the entire intel community is that Trump revealed the names of CIA operatives undercover in return for getting him re-elected in 2020. Remember, in November 2016 when Trump was elected, a CIA agent was extracted from the Kremlin who has working ties ties to Putin.

Also in February 2017, Trump told a visiting Russian envoy about what the CIA knew about Syria, and in May 2017, the day after Trump fired Comey, Trump met with Russians again with no American press present and discuss Israeli intelligence with them.

#TrumpIsCompromised

Jul 31: Trump has shady undisclosed call with Putin about "forest fires." (It was about "normalizing" relations.

Aug 8: Coats and Gordon out at DNI

Aug 12: Maguire in at DNI

Also Aug 12: Whistleblower complains to ICIG
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/20/19 06:12 PM

Someone threw a beer at Trump during his rally in Indianapolis.
Not to worry, it was a DRAFT, so Trump easily dodged it!
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/20/19 07:42 PM

Colt Suspends Manufacture Of Controversial AR-15 For Civilian Market (npr). Two down...
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/20/19 10:08 PM

Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer

There really is no need for civilians to have military-grade guns. Hmm
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/21/19 10:04 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer

There really is no need for civilians to have military-grade guns. Hmm
The II Amendment is one of the Bill of RIGHTS not the bill of needs. The purpose of right to keep and bear arms is to prevent our government from taking away an individuals right to protect themselves. While an AR-15 is an inappropriate weapon in this situation once our government bans the ownership of an AR-15 what is to stop it from taking other types of guns? Nothing! If the victim in this situation had had a gun he would not have been assaulted. If he has an AR-15 at home his home would be safe.

Why we have the II Amendment

Colt said it will suspend making AR-15's but eventually will start making them again.

Quote:
"The fact of the matter is that over the last few years, the market for modern sporting rifles has experienced significant excess manufacturing capacity," Colt Defense LLC president and CEO Dennis Veilleux said in a statement Thursday. "Given this level of manufacturing capacity, we believe there is adequate supply for modern sporting rifles for the foreseeable future."

The law of supply and demand in action is why Colt has temporarily stopped making the AR-15.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/21/19 10:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer

There really is no need for civilians to have military-grade guns. Hmm
The II Amendment is one of the Bill of RIGHTS not the bill of needs. The purpose of right to keep and bear arms is to prevent our government from taking away an individuals right to protect themselves. While an AR-15 is an inappropriate weapon in this situation once our government bans the ownership of an AR-15 what is to stop it from taking other types of guns? Nothing! If the victim in this situation had had a gun he would not have been assaulted. If he has an AR-15 at home his home would be safe.

Why we have the II Amendment

Colt said it will suspend making AR-15's but eventually will start making them again.

Quote:
"The fact of the matter is that over the last few years, the market for modern sporting rifles has experienced significant excess manufacturing capacity," Colt Defense LLC president and CEO Dennis Veilleux said in a statement Thursday. "Given this level of manufacturing capacity, we believe there is adequate supply for modern sporting rifles for the foreseeable future."

The law of supply and demand in action is why Colt has temporarily stopped making the AR-15.

Kind sir, as you may recall from high school civics class, the 2A only addresses militias. It was only when Scalia the Conservative "Originalist" SCOTUS member legislated from the bench did "militias" become individuals like the lying conniving sociopath that Scalia was.

Therefore, from an true Originalist perspective, individuals do not have the right to own guns, but their militia does.

I hope this clarification helps. smile

Posted by: logtroll

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/21/19 10:27 PM

I guess the tortured logic is that schoolkids and concertgoers and nightclubbers have the right to carry AR-15s to protect themselves against mass murderers?

My dog says that is probably not the best solution to the problem.
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/21/19 11:31 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer

There really is no need for civilians to have military-grade guns. Hmm
The II Amendment is one of the Bill of RIGHTS not the bill of needs. The purpose of right to keep and bear arms is to prevent our government from taking away an individuals right to protect themselves. While an AR-15 is an inappropriate weapon in this situation once our government bans the ownership of an AR-15 what is to stop it from taking other types of guns? Nothing! If the victim in this situation had had a gun he would not have been assaulted. If he has an AR-15 at home his home would be safe.

Why we have the II Amendment

Colt said it will suspend making AR-15's but eventually will start making them again.

Quote:
"The fact of the matter is that over the last few years, the market for modern sporting rifles has experienced significant excess manufacturing capacity," Colt Defense LLC president and CEO Dennis Veilleux said in a statement Thursday. "Given this level of manufacturing capacity, we believe there is adequate supply for modern sporting rifles for the foreseeable future."

The law of supply and demand in action is why Colt has temporarily stopped making the AR-15.

Kind sir, as you may recall from high school civics class, the 2A only addresses militias. It was only when Scalia the Conservative "Originalist" SCOTUS member legislated from the bench did "militias" become individuals like the lying conniving sociopath that Scalia was.

Therefore, from an true Originalist perspective, individuals do not have the right to own guns, but their militia does.

I hope this clarification helps. smile


Read the book Origins of the Bill of Rights, chapter 6, by Leonard W. Levy (Yale University Press copyright 1999). In that chapter Professor Levy explains how the II Amendment is an individual right. The book was written before Justice Scalia was on the Supreme Court and it clarifies the real originalist meaning of the II Amendment.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/21/19 11:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Read the book Origins of the Bill of Rights, chapter 6, by Leonard W. Levy (Yale University Press copyright 1999). In that chapter Professor Levy explains how the II Amendment is an individual right.

You're gonna have to sell your case a little better before you persuade me to go hunt down and buy an out of print book to read chapter 6 just to find out if yer blowing smoke up my ass again! LOL

Funny guy!
Posted by: logtroll

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/22/19 12:34 AM

Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/22/19 12:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Read the book Origins of the Bill of Rights, chapter 6, by Leonard W. Levy (Yale University Press copyright 1999). In that chapter Professor Levy explains how the II Amendment is an individual right. The book was written before Justice Scalia was on the Supreme Court and it clarifies the real originalist meaning of the II Amendment.

While some guy named Leonard wrote a book, Scalia as one of the nine SCOTUS judges affects every American's life.

In this case, Scalia gave permission for individuals to own guns, and the NRA promoted ownership of killing machines that can cause mass inflection of damage in the shortest amount of time.

Hmm
Posted by: logtroll

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/22/19 12:58 AM

Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/22/19 01:02 AM

Uh ohh, cracks are beginning to form around the celebrated-very nearly coronated front runner...

Liz Warren has edged past Joe Biden in the Des Moines Register/CNN poll.
The poll is considered a local gold standard, and everyone recognizes the critical and strategic importance of Iowa in POTUS electoral politics.

Elizabeth Warren edges out Joe Biden for lead in Des Moines Register Iowa poll

Quote:
The last Register/CNN poll, in June, had Biden leading with 24 percent and Warren in the third spot at 15 percent, slightly behind Bernie Sanders, who came in second with 16 percent support.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/22/19 02:35 AM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Liz Warren has edged past Joe Biden in the Des Moines Register/CNN poll.

The poll is considered a local gold standard, and everyone recognizes the critical and strategic importance of Iowa in POTUS electoral politics.

I love Lizzy - I really, really do. But if it's her and Trump, I'm afraid Trump will have a 2nd term.

frown
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/22/19 02:50 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Read the book Origins of the Bill of Rights, chapter 6, by Leonard W. Levy (Yale University Press copyright 1999). In that chapter Professor Levy explains how the II Amendment is an individual right. The book was written before Justice Scalia was on the Supreme Court and it clarifies the real originalist meaning of the II Amendment.

While some guy named Leonard wrote a book, Scalia as one of the nine SCOTUS judges affects every American's life.

In this case, Scalia gave permission for individuals to own guns, and the NRA promoted ownership of killing machines that can cause mass inflection of damage in the shortest amount of time.

Hmm


But we pretty much already had permission as individuals to own guns long before that. But a large portion of us hadn't yet been indoctrinated in reality tee vee to the point where we can't distinguish between it and reality.

What I'm getting at is, some of this is environmental and you and I are not the first to say "There goes the neighborhood."
A lot of folks around the world are saying it.

They didn't used to as much. Of course they thought our 2A was unusual but it didn't crop up as much in everyday conversation.
They don't have much choice but to do just that when they see the news every single day from America, another shooting, and nothing done about it.

We have been taught to interact with guns in a very different manner than in the past. Not just the shooters, all of us.

Even people who in the past had the same adamant anti-gun beliefs as now were different. I knew maybe two or even three people who were very anti-gun when I was a youngster. One of them was the old lady I took piano lessons from, and she was an old Southern lady!
Truda E. D'Andelet was born and raised in Louisiana.
She worked for "the telephone company" as a "0" Operator.
And she sounded like one, unless she got upset!

But get this: she was a lesbian, and so were her two roommates!
They lived together in the house across the street from me for most of my childhood.

They had one roomie named Mary Katherine who was very butch, and I am going to guess she was maybe 2A friendly, just a gut feeling.
I am sure all three of them are in the ground now, they were old when I was a baby.

But "Miss Trudy" just hissed quiet disapproval the day she saw me playing rifles with my little buddy, clucking her tongue and whispering about lawdy lawdy.
We were a couple of kids with toy guns and she just didn't like them but she never brought it up at my next piano lesson.

Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/22/19 03:37 AM

The "well regulated" part gets ignored a lot too.
These particular weapons seem to be fetishized by angry young white men who probably shouldn't own weapons.

I got nuthin' against firearms or anybody's rights to have them. This AR-15 thing seems to fall along the same lines as the old Thompson sub-machine gun. Bad guys can do too much damage too fast with them. I don't even see a reason for an outright ban on them as long as a special license and registration be required.

Let's just try to keep them out of the hands of crazy people. You put one of these things in some people's hands and suddenly they're Rambo and on a mission...y'know...?
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/22/19 04:39 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Read the book Origins of the Bill of Rights, chapter 6, by Leonard W. Levy (Yale University Press copyright 1999). In that chapter Professor Levy explains how the II Amendment is an individual right. The book was written before Justice Scalia was on the Supreme Court and it clarifies the real originalist meaning of the II Amendment.

While some guy named Leonard wrote a book, Scalia as one of the nine SCOTUS judges affects every American's life.

In this case, Scalia gave permission for individuals to own guns, and the NRA promoted ownership of killing machines that can cause mass inflection of damage in the shortest amount of time.

Hmm

Originally Posted By: logtroll
You're gonna have to sell your case a little better before you persuade me to go hunt down and buy an out of print book to read chapter 6 just to find out if yer blowing smoke up my ass again!

The II Amendment
Quote:
The second interpretation is that the 2nd Amendment's purpose does not only refer to the state's need for security, but to individual self-defense. This argument relies on precedent in English common law and colonial history and refers to many state constitutions and court decisions that have defined the right to bear arms as an individual right.
James MadisonJames Madison

In addition, this interpretation relies on the fact that James Madison originally proposed this amendment as an insertion into the Constitution's Article I, Section 9, between clauses 3 and 4. This section mentions prohibitions on suspension of habeas corpus, bills of attainder and ex post facto laws. All of these are individual civil rights that are used by citizens to defend themselves against unjust government officials. All of these limit the power of the government.

Since this is where Madison believed the insertion of the 2nd Amendment should go, this interpretation says, he must have understood the right to bear arms as an individual right. If Madison had intended "the right to bear arms" only as a state right, he should have included the 2nd Amendment in Article I, Section 8, which describes Congress' military power over the militia.

All of Madison's original amendments were meant as insertions into the Constitution and not as a list at the end. The decision to add them at the end was made by Congress after he proposed them.

United States v. Emerson 1999
"Historical examination of the right to bear arms, from English antecedents to the drafting of the Second Amendment, bears proof that the right to bear arms has consistently been, and should still be, construed as an individual right."
U.S. District Judge Sam Cummings, in re U.S. vs Emerson (1999)
The History of the Right to Bear Arms.
Quote:
The right of the individual to keep and use weapons has a long tradition in Western civilization. The Greek philosopher Aristotle (384–322 B.C.) wrote in Politics that ownership of weapons was necessary for true citizenship and participation in the political system. By contrast, another Greek philosopher, Plato (428–348 B.C.), wrote in the Republic that he believed in a monarchy with few liberties and saw the disarming of the populace as essential to the maintenance of an orderly and autocratic system. The Roman politician Marcus Tullius Cicero (106–43 B.C.) wrote in De Officiis of his support of bearing arms for self-defense of the individual and for public defense against tyranny. The Italian political philosopher Niccolò Machiavelli (1469–1527) advocated in Discourse an armed populace of citizen-soldiers to keep headstrong rulers in line.

Posted by: logtroll

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/22/19 12:14 PM

Why do people who are obsessed with owning weapons for defense, especially for imagined defense against tyranny, always end up with such loopy arguments for support?

It might be easier to take on the issue from a different angle than gun ownership rights, since the real problem in question is that of innocent people getting shot. It is always the case with “rights” that when they conflict with other rights there has to be a boundary created, a limitation, a regulation. In the contest of to kill, or not to be killed, what is the answer, Hatrack? What is the corresponding responsibility of gun owners to coexist with the right of people to be safe from being shot?

Let me make it simple - what do you propose as a solution for gun violence?
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/22/19 01:17 PM


It pretty much comes down to this: People paranoid their government will impose tyranny on them or somehow be harmed by someone else versus an innocent bystander's right not to be killed or maimed by firearms.

Hmm
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/22/19 03:22 PM

Quote:
what do you propose as a solution for gun violence?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Republicans don't have solutions to anything. Only excuses.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/22/19 03:34 PM

Dang it, Greger! You've exposed my trap...
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/22/19 04:45 PM

Originally Posted By: logtroll
Why do people who are obsessed with owning weapons for defense, especially for imagined defense against tyranny, always end up with such loopy arguments for support?

It might be easier to take on the issue from a different angle than gun ownership rights, since the real problem in question is that of innocent people getting shot. It is always the case with “rights” that when they conflict with other rights there has to be a boundary created, a limitation, a regulation. In the contest of to kill, or not to be killed, what is the answer, Hatrack? What is the corresponding responsibility of gun owners to coexist with the right of people to be safe from being shot?

Let me make it simple - what do you propose as a solution for gun violence?
The imaginary problem of "gun violence" is caused by people who are violent and a gun is just the tool that they use. That people are violent is a problem that cannot be solved. Humans are and always have been violent animals. The idea that you think will work, taking guns away from people, does not work. Your belief that the fear of tyranny exists only in people's minds is not supported by history. The greatest murderers are governments. Mass murder by governments
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/22/19 04:50 PM

And more denial and excuses....

An imaginary problem resulting in thousands of imaginary deaths. No problem, no need of a solution, carry on, nothing to see here.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/22/19 05:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
The imaginary problem of "gun violence" is caused by people who are violent and a gun is just the tool that they use. That people are violent is a problem that cannot be solved.

Perhaps you know why your country has so much more of the "problem that cannot be solved " than most other countries do?
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/22/19 06:48 PM


Obama killed bin Laden.
Trump killed Harley Davidson.

Vote Democrat in 2020

smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/22/19 07:21 PM


69 percent of registered voters say they don’t like Trump personally. Sounds about right. smile
NBC / WSJ poll 09/22/19

...from the same poll, isn't this interesting? smile



The Dem strategy should be to focus on all gray-bar responses over 51% for the 2020 Dem platform. Hmm
Posted by: logtroll

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/23/19 01:09 PM

A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
Very few established institutions, governments and constitutions ... are ever destroyed by their enemies until they have been corrupted and weakened by their friends. -Walter Lippmann, journalist (23 Sep 1889-1974)
Posted by: Kaine

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/23/19 07:04 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick

It pretty much comes down to this: People paranoid their government will impose tyranny on them or somehow be harmed by someone else versus an innocent bystander's right not to be killed or maimed by firearms.

Hmm

What's strange to me though, is that it looks to me that, with our current administration, we are heading to a tyrannical government - and not one gun shot was fired.
Posted by: BC

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/23/19 08:46 PM

Maybe it's a Michigan thing, but this really sucks
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/23/19 09:31 PM

This administration is not bound by the same rules that apply to the rest of us....
Posted by: Ujest Shurly

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/23/19 09:32 PM

What do you mean, "Maybe it's a Michigan thing..."?

Of course, it is a Michigan thing. For over a century, only emergency and maintenance vehicles are allowed on the Island. From the airport to the Grand Hotel it is fairly, heavily forested and the air is fresh and natural. No place on the island is far from any place else and a horse and buggy get you there with a relaxing ride.

The only way to the island is by boat or small aircraft. The island is about 5 miles (ca. 8 km) away from the main land (the upper peninsula) and the straits both of them have strong currents making it diffucult to swim to the island, plus all the lake ship traffic just adds to the hazard. So, it is easy to control who gets to the island. This rule about motor vehicles has been in existence since 1898. Mackinac Island is also an Historical Preservation location as well as a State Park.

Here is a Wiki link to information about the Island https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackinac_Island

Come to Michigan, go to Mackinac Island for a few days...
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/23/19 11:26 PM

I was there a little over 2 years ago. Mackinac was on my bucket list for 50 years. It did not disappoint. Pence is a jerk. I'm not surprised, really, that it created this stir.
Posted by: BC

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/24/19 12:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Ujest Shurly
What do you mean, "Maybe it's a Michigan thing..."?

Come to Michigan, go to Mackinac Island for a few days...


Born & bred Michigander. Camp a couple weeks at the Straits every year. Lived in the UP about 7 years. Spent the day after getting married (1979) in the Soo on the island, when, by the way, they were filming ‘Somewhere in Time’ and saw two little sports cars parked by the Grand Hotel...didn’t know what they were doing at the time, but knew it was wrong. Celebrated our 40th wedding anniversary there Memorial weekend this year. wink

Just thought I’d add my avatar is me standing on the island after walking the bridge on Labor Day - 50th anniversary of Big Mac...done that ten times, including the last 6 years.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/24/19 06:15 AM



I heard on the car radio news today that Pence's entourage went onto some island in Michigan over the weekend and brought vehicles onto the island where there had not been a car in 100 years. Hmm
Posted by: BC

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/24/19 11:26 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick


I heard on the car radio news today that Pence's entourage went onto some island in Michigan over the weekend and brought vehicles onto the island where there had not been a car in 100 years. Hmm


Rick, I’d repeat Ujest Shurly’s line, “Come to Michigan, go to Mackinac Island for a few days”. You’ll understand.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/24/19 09:55 PM




She did it!! smile , Bow
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/24/19 10:45 PM



Welp, Donald J Trump finally...FINALLY did something that Barack Obama didn't do: Trump got himself a formal impeachment inquiry.

smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/24/19 11:36 PM



Sources: Pelosi says Trump called her today trying to 'work something out'

Nancy said:
Quote:
Resign mother fcker!


coffee
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/25/19 12:57 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick



She did it!! smile , Bow


I kept telling y'all but you didn't believe me!
Aunt Nancy does not believe in half measures.
And she's going to run this sucker like a top surgeon runs an operating room.

CLEAN.
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/25/19 03:32 AM

Originally Posted By: logtroll
Why do people who are obsessed with owning weapons for defense, especially for imagined defense against tyranny, always end up with such loopy arguments for support?
An imagined defense against tyranny? Apparently you've never heard Battle of Athens in 1946. Because American citizens had guns they could, and did remove the tyrannical government from the city of Athens, TN. The natural right to keep and bear arms is protected by our Constitution.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/25/19 04:04 AM

Quote:
“We abolished one machine only to replace it with another and more powerful one in the making.”

The GI Government collapsed in 1947 and was replaced with a clique similar to the one they had been fighting against.
Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/25/19 04:05 AM

Do people have a ‘natural right’ to preserve their lives by passing protections from small arms fire?
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/25/19 06:31 AM

Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Do people have a ‘natural right’ to preserve their lives by passing protections from small arms fire?

I asked that very same question. Never got a response. Hmm
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/25/19 11:50 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Do people have a ‘natural right’ to preserve their lives by passing protections from small arms fire?

I asked that very same question. Never got a response. Hmm


I must have missed that one.
Of course people have a right to protect themselves from lunatics who are so unsprung that gun ownership is a bad idea for them.
And to that end I am in favor of whatever reasonable steps necessary to separate out such lunatics.

Speaking of the so called "protection against tyranny" factor, while I am fairly certain that the average gaggle of law abiding citizen gun owners like myself don't have a fart's chance in Hell against the United States military, I nevertheless am confident that ownership does avail me of extra options in more localized instances of "tyranny", which usually boils down to individual and unauthorized demonstrations of same where my own life and lives and safety of my loved ones are concerned.

In other words, us law abiding citizens might not be able to defeat the US military but we can certainly stand our ground against random rogue elements that may shake out during instances of civil unrest, and that would also include instances where certain ragtag self-proclaimed pseudo-authorities decide to take matters into their own hands.
What I'm saying is, while my firearm might be useless against an organized state sponsored expression of military might, I am confident that a group of organized citizens can and should protect themselves from rogue unauthorized paramilitary nutjobs.

I don't imagine myself to be any kind of vigilante, or amateur neighborhood watch, or amateur enforcer, or amateur toy soldier, but I do see myself as an ordinary simple law abiding person who intends to protect myself and my family from anyone who may wish to enter my property either in criminal malfeasance or "acting under false color of authority".

One of the reasons so many innocent families down in certain Latin American countries wind up victimized so badly by violence is that many of these countries disarm their civilians while simultaneously playing fast and loose with the definition of what constitutes military and law enforcement.

I daresay that the average Guatemalan cannot tell the difference between law enforcement, the Guatemalan military and a ragtag group of men who just put on some fatigues, strapped themselves with a gun and proclaimed themselves as a militia...under circumstances that for whom and for what is often the subject of mystery.

We here in this country are witnessing a slightly similar state of affairs, where an Ammon Bundy clan or some Oath Smellers can don some milsurp attire, strap on some guns and call themselves whatever they like, and a good many average yokels think they are the law.

Last but not least, let us not forget that, at some point in any military altercation, if the mission is muddied enough, and enough of the local citizenry have decided they have nothing left to lose, every once in a while, a bunch of poorly armed civilians HAVE INDEED defeated the mightiest military forces in history...sent them home packing, sent them home sapped of the will to fight.

The price may be astronomical, but in the end that is what we've witnessed in real time, unfolding before us an ocean away.
Let us hope to God it never gets that bad over here, because many of us will be long gone and bloody in the ground before it ever reaches that point.
Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/25/19 01:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas


Last but not least, let us not forget that, at some point in any military altercation, if the mission is muddied enough, and enough of the local citizenry have decided they have nothing left to lose, every once in a while, a bunch of poorly armed civilians HAVE INDEED defeated the mightiest military forces in history...sent them home packing, sent them home sapped of the will to fight.

The price may be astronomical, but in the end that is what we've witnessed in real time, unfolding before us an ocean away.
Let us hope to God it never gets that bad over here, because many of us will be long gone and bloody in the ground before it ever reaches that point.


Historically, what gets practiced on the periphery of empires eventually get implemented in the homeland as well. Neoliberalism has been imposing harsh punishment to the poor for awhile now. They’ve also militarized the domestic police force. We now have concentration camps. It looks like we’re moving in a predictable pattern.
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/26/19 12:56 AM

Quote:
Historically, what gets practiced on the periphery of empires eventually get implemented in the homeland as well. Neoliberalism has been imposing harsh punishment to the poor for awhile now. They’ve also militarized the domestic police force. We now have concentration camps. It looks like we’re moving in a predictable pattern.


Exciting isn't it? And there's a resistance building that might just be able to turn the tide! I feel blessed by the goddess to be alive to watch this play out!
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/26/19 03:37 AM



Michael Moore's suggested Impeachment Time Table:

Quote:
Keep the Impeachment SIMPLE:
1. ONE WEEK to compile charges based on Trump’s confessions, whistleblowers report & prosecutor’s evidence.
2. FOUR DAYS of hearings
3. Committee votes-1 hr.
4. Debate on House floor-4 days.
5. House votes-1 hr.
DONE.
Move on to removing Trump 11/3/20


smile
Posted by: SimonSC

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/26/19 03:31 PM

Just have to say this...

I am actually strangely reassured by the current storm affecting the U.S.

An American colleague of mine was asking about the Canadian perspective on your current travails, about a year and a half ago. I told him that America has faced far worse and survived, usually coming out a better place in the end. The population is, overall, well educated, and by a good margin Americans are well intentioned people who try to do the right thing. I said that he lived in a robust society, so as painful as it all might be, I said I was optimistic.

We might be wincing a bit, watching as we do from our lawn chairs on our side of the Niagara River, but do I think America will be an even better place for all of this.

And it could be far worse: you could live in the UK.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/26/19 10:00 PM

Originally Posted By: SimonSC
Just have to say this...

I am actually strangely reassured by the current storm affecting the U.S.

An American colleague of mine was asking about the Canadian perspective on your current travails, about a year and a half ago. I told him that America has faced far worse and survived, usually coming out a better place in the end. The population is, overall, well educated, and by a good margin Americans are well intentioned people who try to do the right thing. I said that he lived in a robust society, so as painful as it all might be, I said I was optimistic.

We might be wincing a bit, watching as we do from our lawn chairs on our side of the Niagara River, but do I think America will be an even better place for all of this.

And it could be far worse: you could live in the UK.


God in Heaven I hope you're right.
And I hope that somehow, our revival winds up including some kind of universal health care...maybe not the exact same thing you guys have up there but something similar, better than what we have right now.

It's wonderful to have a Canadian on this board, healthy perspective from outside the scrum.

PS: Brexit? It's a Russian hoax, yes?
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/27/19 01:59 PM


Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/27/19 02:18 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick



I know, I saw that this morning and both Karen and I guffawed hard, and Karen was barely awake when it flashed on the screen, but she woke up very quickly!

"What the Hell? Who is that?" (puts on her glasses)"

"OMG OMG, they're throwing..."

"Yup, Twumpy and Rudy are throwing Uncle Sam off a bridge, mobster style."

"Hee hee, so true! Perfect!"

One of my other favorites is this one from right after the Helsinki Meeting:

Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/27/19 02:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas

Yours is way more disturbing than mine. crazy
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/27/19 04:13 PM

If you want to talk about disturbing things, how much ya wanna bet this guy was some kind of MAGA hero who wanted to sabotage The Libtard Paradise? (California)

Police: Alleged 68-Year-Old Arsonist Flew From Missouri To Set South Bay Fires



Quote:
Graham allegedly drove a rental car along the narrow, windy roads between Ed Levin Park and the Calaveras Reservoir, starting fires as he went.

“The fires were set with a lighter, setting pieces of paper on fire and then throwing it out the window of the car,” explained Porter.

A witness who became suspicious after spotting Graham’s car near the fires turned the license plate over to investigators.

Cal Fire officers arrested Graham when he tried to return the car at Mineta San Jose International Airport.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/27/19 04:36 PM


What a sociopath. crazy
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/27/19 05:50 PM



Hillary Rodham Clinton: Trump is a "corrupt human tornado"

Heh. laugh
Posted by: SimonSC

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/27/19 06:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: SimonSC

And it could be far worse: you could live in the UK.

PS: Brexit? It's a Russian hoax, yes?


As far as I know, but not that much of a hoax as such. I'm not sure who else benefits having the governments behind 2 seats on the UN Security Council paralysed by internal politics and weakened by introspective and insular nationalism.

Despite everything, I'm fairly sure the Chinese are more concerned with their own problems and would prefer a little more predictability, and the French seem to be looking on with horror.

I reminded a Brit, beside whom I sat on a flight a while ago, that Britain's prosperity of the 19th and early 20th century, (much celebrated with great nostalgia, it seems) was the result of extreme resource extraction from the colonies... and that we remaining colonials got the wild idea in, oh, 1918, that we'd rather not play along.

(Well, 1837 too, but that fizzled.)

(Oh, and it remains (pun intended) to be seen if the Scots and the Northern Irish are going to tag along for the ride. Wales... no idea.)
Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/27/19 09:45 PM

I’ve been snorting and haw hawing at Jonathan Pie’s ongoing satire of the unfolding political rewrite happening in the UK. Much better, imo, than the infotainment bureaus:

Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/28/19 06:33 AM



Robert Mueller:

Quote:
You mean I could have written a 2-page whistle blower report instead?


smile
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/28/19 06:50 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick


Hillary Rodham Clinton: Trump is a "corrupt human tornado"

Heh. laugh

Clinton Foundation Yeah, and Hillary Rodham Clinton is as pure as the driven snow.
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/28/19 09:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: pdx rick


Hillary Rodham Clinton: Trump is a "corrupt human tornado"

Heh. laugh

Clinton Foundation Yeah, and Hillary Rodham Clinton is as pure as the driven snow.
It is nice that you finally acknowledge that.
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/28/19 09:07 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick

What a sociopath
Quote:
faithful, Trump-supporting, lib-hating patriot
. Oh wait. Same thing...
Posted by: SimonSC

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/28/19 01:36 PM

Originally Posted By: SimonSC

(Oh, and it remains (pun intended) to be seen if the Scots and the Northern Irish are going to tag along for the ride. Wales... no idea.)

Ah... seems Wales is considering splitting off; it's a particularly popular idea for the 18-24 year old set if it means staying in the EU.

Trigger warning: the above link is to a newspaper which you, my American friends, might find uncomfortably beyond any concept of "left" that you usually consider, while sounding sensible and carefully edited; this may cause temporary blindness, dizziness and seizures. grin

... sorry, couldn't resist ...

... gnyaahh, I'm such a Canadian...
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/28/19 05:11 PM

Originally Posted By: SimonSC
Originally Posted By: SimonSC

(Oh, and it remains (pun intended) to be seen if the Scots and the Northern Irish are going to tag along for the ride. Wales... no idea.)

Ah... seems Wales is considering splitting off; it's a particularly popular idea for the 18-24 year old set if it means staying in the EU.

Trigger warning: the above link is to a newspaper which you, my American friends, might find uncomfortably beyond any concept of "left" that you usually consider, while sounding sensible and carefully edited; this may cause temporary blindness, dizziness and seizures. grin

... sorry, couldn't resist ...

... gnyaahh, I'm such a Canadian...


Pfffttt, I read the Guardian all the time. I've even sent them five or ten bucks on occasion. wink
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/28/19 05:12 PM


Northern Ireland, Wales, Scotland should all vote to leave the UK and remain in the EU. smile
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/28/19 05:23 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick

Northern Ireland, Wales, Scotland should all vote to leave the UK and remain in the EU. smile


Not a very "United" Kingdom if that happens, is it?
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/28/19 05:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: pdx rick

Northern Ireland, Wales, Scotland should all vote to leave the UK and remain in the EU. smile


Not a very "United" Kingdom if that happens, is it?

Nope, but that's what the dummies who for voted for Brexit perhaps didn't think through? Hmm

Oh well. coffee
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/28/19 05:30 PM



Looks like Rudy is getting a serious case of the flop sweats. Mr. Giuliani has made several television appearances this week defending himself, mostly on Fox News' prime-time show "The Angle" with Laura Ingraham. Mr. Giuliani is enmeshed in President Trump's Ukrainian quagmire - even self-labeling himself as a "hero." rolleyes

Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/28/19 05:38 PM



Quote:
Don't go to bed, with no price on your head - No, no, don't do it.
Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time - Yeah, don't do it.
And keep your eye on the sparrow.
When the going gets narrow.
Don't do it, don't do it.

Don't roll the dice, if you can't pay the price.
Don't do it.




smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/29/19 03:10 AM




smile
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/29/19 04:52 AM

Some people are looking at Trump's people's habit of classifying embarrassing stuff as top secret and putting it in that off-line server. In light of that, they are wondering if the memo describing Trump's meeting with the Russian ambassador in which he gave away top-secret information is in there as well. Apparently, Mueller did not receive a copy of that memo. This may be what Mueller was talking about when he said that Obstruction of Justice prevented him from fully investigating.

One nice thing about the current stuff, is that there is no need to argue what exactly constitutes "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" because the constitution explicitly mentions Bribery as grounds for impeachment. Trumps actions with the Ukraine clearly qualify as soliciting a bribe.
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/29/19 05:03 AM

Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: pdx rick


Hillary Rodham Clinton: Trump is a "corrupt human tornado"

Heh. laugh

Clinton Foundation Yeah, and Hillary Rodham Clinton is as pure as the driven snow.
It is nice that you finally acknowledge that.

And you admit that Hillary Rodham Clinton is corrupt.
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/29/19 06:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: pdx rick


Hillary Rodham Clinton: Trump is a "corrupt human tornado"

Heh. laugh

Clinton Foundation Yeah, and Hillary Rodham Clinton is as pure as the driven snow.
It is nice that you finally acknowledge that.

And you admit that Hillary Rodham Clinton is corrupt.
Uh, how do you get from "pUre as the driven snow" to "corrupt"? How are your ESL classes going?
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/29/19 07:17 PM

Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
[quote=pdx rick]

Hillary Rodham Clinton: Trump is a "corrupt human tornado"

Heh. laugh

Clinton Foundation Yeah, and Hillary Rodham Clinton is as pure as the driven snow.
It is nice that you finally acknowledge that.

And you admit that Hillary Rodham Clinton is corrupt.
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Uh, how do you get from "pUre as the driven snow" to "corrupt"? How are your ESL classes going?
Better than yours are. When the phrase "pure as the driven snow" is used to describe someone it means that are corrupt. As an example "Al Capone has never broken the law, he is as pure as the driven snow." It is the use of a contradictory phrase to prove the opposite.
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/29/19 09:41 PM

I forgot you were steeped in the language of Conrot.
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 09/30/19 09:18 PM

Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
I forgot you were steeped in the language of Conrot.
With stupid comments like that one NW it is very difficult to take you seriously. Here is another example of how I used the phrase "pure as the driven snow."
Quote:
pure as the driven snow
pure and chaste. (Often used ironically. *Also: as ~.) Jill: Sue must have gone to bed with every man in town. Jane: And I always thought she was as pure as the driven snow. Robert was notoriously promiscuous, but tried to convince all his girlfriends that he was pure as the driven snow.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/01/19 03:11 AM


Mike Pompaeo and Seb Gorka just left for Rome together, this afternoon. A literal NAZi and an apocalyptical evangelical - this can't be good for America. crazy
Posted by: logtroll

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/01/19 03:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
I forgot you were steeped in the language of Conrot.
With stupid comments like that one NW it is very difficult to take you seriously. Here is another example of how I used the phrase "pure as the driven snow."
Quote:
pure as the driven snow
pure and chaste. (Often used ironically. *Also: as ~.) Jill: Sue must have gone to bed with every man in town. Jane: And I always thought she was as pure as the driven snow. Robert was notoriously promiscuous, but tried to convince all his girlfriends that he was pure as the driven snow.

Have you ever heard of the term “ConROT”?
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/01/19 04:09 AM





IMPEACH: Make America Great

smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/01/19 12:36 PM



LawBlog has put out an excellent timeline of events leading-up to the Ukraine story and it's background of how it percolated-up through rightwing media to the President's desk.

The Washington Post has a timeline as well.

smile
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/03/19 03:12 AM

If you like subpoena coladas,
and getting caught in Ukraine...
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/03/19 05:13 AM

Armed Militias Are Taking Trump's Civil War Tweets Seriously

And yet:

Quote:
The constitutions of 48 states include provisions that require the military to be at all times subordinate to the civil authority. That means that private, unregulated and unauthorized militias—operating wholly outside of the civilian governmental authority and public accountability—are prohibited by state law.
There is good reason for this. As prominent historian and scholar A.E. Dick Howard wrote in 1974 in “Commentaries on the Constitution of Virginia,” the Virginia constitution’s ban on private militias “ensures the right of all citizens ... to live free from the fear of an alien soldiery commanded by men who are not responsible to law and the political process.”


Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/03/19 05:15 AM

Oath Keepers on Twitter

Quote:
Here’s the money quote from that thread. This is the truth. This is where we are. We ARE on the verge of a HOT civil war. Like in 1859. That’s where we are. And the Right has ZERO trust or respect for anything the left is doing. We see THEM as illegitimate too.@StewartRhodesOK


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....If the Democrats are successful in removing the President from office (which they will never be), it will cause a Civil War like fracture in this Nation from which our Country will never heal.” Pastor Robert Jeffress, @FoxNews

6:11 PM - 29 Sep 2019
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/03/19 04:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
If you like subpoena coladas,
and getting caught in Ukraine...
Still laughing about that one.
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/03/19 07:58 PM

I heard they have an open Barr at the White House...
Posted by: Senator Hatrack

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/03/19 08:06 PM

Originally Posted By: logtroll
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
[quote=NW Ponderer]I forgot you were steeped in the language of Conrot.
With stupid comments like that one NW it is very difficult to take you seriously. Here is another example of how I used the phrase "pure as the driven snow."
Quote:
pure as the driven snow
pure and chaste. (Often used ironically. *Also: as ~.) Jill: Sue must have gone to bed with every man in town. Jane: And I always thought she was as pure as the driven snow. Robert was notoriously promiscuous, but tried to convince all his girlfriends that he was pure as the driven snow.

Originally Posted By: logtroll
Have you ever heard of the term “ConROT”?
Is there a term LibROT? If there isn't, and I doubt that there is, it shows how biased against conservatives the people here at the Rant are.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/03/19 10:14 PM

Hey, has anybody wondered what Dr. Gorka's been doing lately?
Hey, he's hawking fish oil supplements on TV!



The "good doctor" now joins a host of other RW has beens:
Dana Loesch, the former face of the NRA, appears in ads for SuperBeets, a purported energy supplement made from beetroots; Ben Shapiro, podcast host and creator of the Daily Wire, uses his platform to push BrickHouse Nutrition’s brain stimulants; and Alex Jones, America’s top conspiracy theorist and InfoWars host, famously has his own supplement company that hawks products with names like “Super Male Vitality” and “Brain Force Plus.”

PS: Gorka got a PhD in political science from Corvinus University of Budapest, and now he insists everyone refer to him as "Doctor Gorka".

Posted by: logtroll

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/04/19 12:17 AM

Just got back from a constituent "one-on-one" session with our Congresswoman. I signed up because I had a pitch to make (biochar and the Green New Deal) and a problem with a federal agency that I need help with.

I told my colleague, after watching a line of constituents get an earnest handshake from her eminence, that I would get a hug... ThumbsUp

I got two. blush
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/04/19 12:21 AM

Greger is alive. Though much diminished.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/04/19 12:39 AM

I was wondering... what happened, my friend?
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/04/19 03:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Greger
Greger is alive. Though much diminished.

Where you in jail? I promise not to tell anybody. smile
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/04/19 03:59 AM

Greger you missed out on a lot of fun.
Glad you're back!
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/04/19 03:59 AM

Diverticulitus, gall bladder attack, and unidentified stomach issues.

A trifecta of pain and humiliation. I think I puked up my [censored] at some point. Imagine somebody shoving a hot poker up your ass and down your throat at the same time and you'd you'd be close.
Imagine when they meet and pass each other I think that's it. That's what it felt like

Name rank and serial number.

After five days unable to tolerate food at all I was getting down some broth and asked if I could try some solid food. I was thinking crackers or oatmeal or tapioca. They brought me a plate of mother F**ing spaghetti with red sauce. I took a couple bites but that s*it was not going into my tender tummy. Dinnertime comes and I'm [censored]*ng starving! They bring me a cheeseburger. The saddest driest patheticist looking little excuse for food I've ever seen in my life. And it looked delicious! I ate that goddamn burger. Eighteen hours of intense and unending nausea ensued. But at least I sent something through the tubes. I lost 20 pounds and the ability to walk. Both will soon be back. Getting a sponge bath from a nurse is knocked off the bucket list too.
I'm so so hungry now, my body is screaming for food to heal it but it's getting a cup of chamomile tea and a couple of soda crackers.
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/04/19 02:53 PM

OMG, my friend. I hope the mending comes fast!
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/04/19 03:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Greger
Diverticulitus, gall bladder attack, and unidentified stomach issues.

Yeah...the way the Republicans are running the country, that will do it to you. Glad you're feeling better.

smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/04/19 03:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Greger you missed out on a lot of fun.

Hmm

laugh
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/05/19 12:47 AM

I'da strung you two up by your thumbs if I hadn't been sick. I hope it was fun and you two have got it out of your systems for a while.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/05/19 12:53 AM

Gall bladder attack sucks. You are going to watch your diet very carefully, like a lot less meat and fat. Kind of surprising they gave you a cheeseburger. Some vegetable soup would have been more appropriate.
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/05/19 01:42 AM

Quote:
Gall bladder attack sucks.

I'm tellin ya! Diverticulitis aint much fun either.

Quote:
You are going to watch your diet very carefully, like a lot less meat and fat.

Yeah, since the kid moved out I'm afraid I've been pretty bad about eating garbage.

Quote:
Kind of surprising they gave you a cheeseburger. Some vegetable soup would have been more appropriate.

I was thinking some weak tea and dry toast would be a nice start. A banana maybe...some plain rice. They thought I needed a big Italian dinner! And a cheeseburger!

The hospital is going to get a stern letter from me about this.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/05/19 04:09 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick




IMPEACH: Make America Great

smile


I think we need those hats and then we need to take a nice Sharpie and write in lower case "ine" right next to the "IMAG".
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/05/19 04:12 AM

What IS a “perfect call”? It’s NewSpeak!

What is it with Trump's obsession with the word "perfect"???
You can make a perfect apple pie or bowl a perfect game, how is a PHONE CALL "perfect?"

Here's what it is: It's Trump NewSpeak.
By boiling it down to TWO SYLLABLES - -

Perfect call

Trump has managed to condense all complexity into two grunting noises, both affirmations of his power.

PERFECT CALL
Utterly meaningless, impossible to analyze, tuned to dogwhistle frequencies.

He might as well just say
"Oldthinkers unbellyfeel MAGA"
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/05/19 06:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
What IS a “perfect call”? It’s NewSpeak!

What is it with Trump's obsession with the word "perfect"???
You can make a perfect apple pie or bowl a perfect game, how is a PHONE CALL "perfect?"

Here's what it is: It's Trump NewSpeak.
By boiling it down to TWO SYLLABLES - -

Perfect call

Trump has managed to condense all complexity into two grunting noises, both affirmations of his power.

PERFECT CALL
Utterly meaningless, impossible to analyze, tuned to dogwhistle frequencies.

He might as well just say
"Oldthinkers unbellyfeel MAGA"

President Trump is an idiot. End of Story. smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/05/19 07:08 PM




Trump:

Quote:
I would have gotten away with my corruption, if it were not for you meddling kids and your nosy dog.




smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/05/19 10:46 PM


Rick Perry has been implicated in the Ukrainian scandal. Boy does Trump's swamp get swampier. smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/05/19 11:03 PM



ETTD

Everything Trump Touches Dies

Bow

Originally Posted By: Trump
My perfect phone call is all Rick Perry's fault.


smile
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/06/19 02:24 AM

Trump's going to beat the old "40 people in jail" Nixon record by a mile.

Maybe this is his version of "drain the swamp": Hire them all and get them thrown in prison.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/06/19 03:21 AM

Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Trump's going to beat the old "40 people in jail" Nixon record by a mile.

Maybe this is his version of "drain the swamp": Hire them all and get them thrown in prison.


#TrumpSwamp

smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/06/19 10:14 PM


America's Christmas present to itself: The ability to say "Former President Donald Trump"

smile
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/07/19 01:44 AM

No Rick, that would be opening presents too early.

Our day of retribution will be Nov 3rd, 2020. Just 13 months away. At this point the longer Trump stays in office the worse his defeat will be. In the history of voting for s**t there has never been a bigger get out the vote effort than the one being carried out by President Donald John Trump for the benefit of Democrats.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/07/19 01:58 AM


Lie, lie, Mr. President guy,
Ukraine doesn't want involvement and said they won't lie,
Why would you involve a struggling country and US ally?
You think you're really clever and wily and sly,
I'll be dancing on your grave on the day that you fry.
I'll be dancing on your grave on the day that you fry.

smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/07/19 04:57 PM



My post to Donald J Trump:

Let's be honest, you were elected because to a lot of the electorate, you were not Hillary Clinton.

Everyone knew you were not successful in life, either as a businessman, as a human being, but simply as a lawless individual, and we hoped that you would just coast for four years and not muck everything up. You were not elected because of your campaign promises - none of which you have completed 2.75 years of your tenure in, any way.

But, like a kid who had never won anything in his life before, you got keys to the proverbial candy store and you could not control yourself and you binge-ate feeding your inner corruption and lawlessness.

Now here we are. You're being investigated for crimes and misdemeanors under the Constitution and the next president will have to undo all of the damage that you have done.

Donald J Trump, you're a corrupt human hurricane and you deserve all of the ridicule coming your way.

smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/08/19 04:14 AM



There is a guy who lives in my building one floor down that has two dogs and one of the dogs looks like Sammy. I’ve known about this guy and his two dogs for about a year and Sammy and I would run into them from time-to-time.

I haven’t seen this guy or his two dogs since before Sammy passed away in early May this year.

Because our elevator is broken (again!) we have to take the stairwell and I ran into him and his two dogs. I mentioned that Sammy passed-away in May and the dog that looks like Sammy was all over me.


The guy told me he was looking for new homes for the two dogs because he’s being deployed. He found a home for one of the dogs, but not the one that looks like Sammy. That dog’s name is Roxas and he’s 18 months old.

The guy offered me the dog that looks like Sammy. I told him I would think about it. I thought about it for 3-4 hours and I went down to talk to him. I asked about the dog’s health, diet, barking, age, sleeping habits, pooping habits.

I have made an appointment for Thursday to have Roxas checked-out with a physical exam. Sammy’s old vet is literally three blocks away - walking distance.

The main difference between this dog and Sammy is that Sammy had two gold-colored eyes - else these two dogs look like they could have come from the same litter.

If I get Roxas (Japanese video game character name), I'll change his name to Rocksus. It will still sound the same to him. The spelling of Roxas seems too girly. Hmm

Sammy Dawg:



Roxas:

Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/08/19 06:28 AM

Very nice that he likes you. It takes a while to learn the routine in a new home. Be patient. I have to keep my intact male lab separated from our giant neutered mastiff. The big guy just hassles the intact male constantly if they are together. It's a pain in the ass, and the female lab pup not in with the male is getting a lot more socialized than her sister. The point is, they get a lot more socialized if they can spend a lot of time with you or with other older dogs.
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/09/19 01:26 AM

Rick, I'm so excited to hear this! Life without a dog is just no life at all. I look forward to hearing about all your adventures with Rocksus!
Posted by: SimonSC

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/09/19 02:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Greger
Life without a dog is just no life at all.

I'd have said "cat", with the understanding that it was a Maine Coon or similar 20lb monster (they actually grow working brains at that size, it seems). grin Dogs are great too though, good luck, Rick!

Now, my American friends, that there president of yours is making the financial markets a wee bit tricky to trade, eh. Any idea of when you're going to be wrapping up this nonsense and getting back down to the sort of steady, value-focused business that made America famous?

My last trip through was during the January "shut down". It says a lot about the U.S. that the TSA folks and customs people were working with no prospect of pay (I did say "thanks" after I was through). I get the occasional cheeky question ("Now let's see, where have you been, Brazil? Columbia? Venezuela"... "Nope, nowhere quite that interesting."... stamp, stamp) but have always been treated professionally.

I've been to countries where, at the first sign of operational difficulty, such offices were simply not staffed... all day...
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/09/19 03:34 PM

Rick, I hope that Roxas/RockUS joins you in life. Moxxie, my son's Pitty, is just 29 months, now. She LOVES Huskies because they are energetic players. Have you ever been to Fort Steilacoom dog park? Hands down, best dog park anywhere. Also, near my house! Meet you there!

Simon, how is it that after 12 years, you're still a newbie? Let's work on that. [Btw, were working on correcting "the error of 2016". Maybe by next January the markets will stabilize. ]
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/09/19 11:05 PM

Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Have you ever been to Fort Steilacoom dog park? Hands down, best dog park anywhere. Also, near my house! Meet you there!

I took Rocksus out for a test drive today. I picked him up and we immediately went for a car ride to the dog park at Point Defiance.

Man can that dog run!!! laugh

By the time Sammy and I moved here, he was 10 years old, and he just moseyed around watching the other dogs when I took him to Point Defiance dog park.

At one point today, all of the dogs were running together in one pack and that was really fun.

When Sammy and I went to Pt Defiance, other dog-owners told me about Steilacoom dog park, and they too said it was the best one in the area. I'd love to meet you there and have a dog day afternoon. smile

Later, I played with Rocksus in the hallway on the floor of my building. Sammy had a Kong tennis ball that was a squeaker. He used to play with it, but as he aged, he didn't have any interest.

Rocksus picked right up on it and we had a good 20 mins of play time after the dog park. I was trying to wear him out, he's very energetic being only 18 mos old.

(A few times I called Rocksus "Sammy." nono I swear, if Rocksus had two gold eyes, he would be Sammy 2.0)

Tomorrow is the Vet. Saturday is all of his shots. Sunday the groomer.

Right now, Rocksus is right by my side and he's sleeping. smile (Sammy was more of a GDI (god-damned independent and he would lie down by the TV, or his favorite spot was in the bathroom because of the tile floor.)) Rocksus is also very affectionate and very kissy. Sammy was very stand-offish and never, ever kissed adults - only children. Hmm

I'm supposed to take Rocksus back to his owner at 5pm today.



Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/10/19 03:21 AM

I wouldn't worry too much about what name you call him. Roscoe gets called all sorts of things but seldom do I call him Roscoe. Scooby, Gooby, and Goofy mostly but just Boy works fine too.

I like cats too, Simon, but both mine died in June and I don't plan to replace them, it just wouldn't be fair since I'm not going to live as long as a cat. 8 of my 9 lives are over if ya get my drift. When Roscoe dies I'm gonna get an old dog who's happy to lay around all day and doesn't need much exercise. Just like me.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/10/19 05:25 PM


It's good to see that the Trump Cabal is (finally!) getting its comeuppance. It has been frustrating seeing them get away with their crimes.

smile
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/10/19 07:09 PM

Rick, I hope you fall in love with your new dog as much as he falls in love with you. By the way, we call Betty Boop a bunch of different names.

1. Betty Boop
2. Betty
3. Boopers
4. Schmoopie Boopie
5. LiMu Emu

That last one because she is every bit as goofy as the LiMu Emu and if she had flightless wings, she'd BE the LiMu Emu.



Well...Mrs. Emu...



Day before yesterday she didn't just BARK at dogs on the TV screen, she ATTACKED the TV screen, and we now have eight vertical rainbow colored bars running top to bottom on the screen.

Oh well, it was a fourteen year old 32 inch HDTV, worth about five bucks today, replacement cost probably 149 bucks, that TV set didn't owe us anything, LOL.
Karen wanted a new "smart TV" anyway for the bedroom.

The family room TV has a hard glass screen, thank God!
So does the living room set.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/11/19 03:30 AM


Rocksus has a yeast infection in his left ear and one hot spot. On Saturday afternoon when I pick him up, he'll then go get his full panel of shots and that will be last time with his first owner.

gobsmacked, cry
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/11/19 01:18 PM


#RudyColludy

smile
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/11/19 03:50 PM

I like the hashtag. Our last dog was Phoebe (my wife, who can't spell, registered her as Feebee), a 3ish year old Lab-Border Collie mix. The vet gave us three reasons not to adopt her, which we promptly ignored. All the issues resolved within a month, including the hot spots. She was just bored and anxious. She was the smartest, gentlist and most patient dog I've ever known. Kids would climb on her, and cats would cuddle with her.

Huskies, like pit bulls, require lots of exercise, my friend. It will be good for you, too! I can't wait to meet him.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/11/19 04:17 PM

Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
I like the hashtag. Our last dog was Phoebe (my wife, who can't spell, registered her as Feebee)...

ROTFMOL LOL ROTFMOL

gobsmacked
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/11/19 04:20 PM

Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
I like the hashtag. Our last dog was Phoebe (my wife, who can't spell, registered her as Feebee), a 3ish year old Lab-Border Collie mix. The vet gave us three reasons not to adopt her, which we promptly ignored. All the issues resolved within a month, including the hot spots. She was just bored and anxious. She was the smartest, gentlist and most patient dog I've ever known. Kids would climb on her, and cats would cuddle with her.

Huskies, like pit bulls, require lots of exercise, my friend. It will be good for you, too! I can't wait to meet him.

When I got Sammy, he was 3. I used to run him when I rode a bike. it's too hilly here to do that for Rocksus. Hmm

We we will def have a doggie play date or more with you. smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/11/19 04:22 PM



Appeals Court ruled Trump must show me...erm, us his taxes citing the Ethics in Government Act of 1978.

smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/12/19 03:28 AM



Saw Amy Klobuchar on Real Time tonight. In the past, she did not really impress me. Tonight she did. I thought: Huh...interesting.

Then briefly fantasized about a Klobuchar/Buttigieg ticket. smile
Posted by: perotista

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/12/19 12:57 PM

I like her, but she isn't going anywhere. The candidates I like and would support have a habit of getting tossed aside, usually fairly early.
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/12/19 03:36 PM

I really like Buttigieg and Klobuchar. Neither have gained traction, though. I'm a moderate-progressive. I truly understand why lib-Dem voters see them as too moderate, though. I'm still a fan of a Warren-Buttigieg, Klobuchar, or Harris ticket. Warren is very clear-eyed about her goal Ann's has incredible energy. Any of those running mates would make a fantastic team.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/12/19 04:53 PM



Here's the interview I referenced earlier for those of you who don't have HBO.



For the record, I don't have cable. I haven't had cable since 2011. HBO has been a stand-alone product since 2015. smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/12/19 05:05 PM



Bill Barr meets with Rupert Murdoch. Afterwards, Fox News' strongest Trump critic, Shepard Smith, is out two days later after a 26 year career at Fox.

Coincidence? I think not! mad
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/13/19 02:22 AM

Quote:
Our last dog was Phoebe


I have a one year old female Yellow Lab. Very sweet and affectionate. She's just learned her mother's trick of standing with her front paws on the washing machine so she can get some hugs. Her AKC name is Seraphina. We call her Phoebe.
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/13/19 08:33 PM


Roscoe has a laundry room game he likes to play too. He loves rubbing his face in clean laundry. Maybe he thinks getting dragged out of them is like a hug...
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/14/19 12:45 AM

Interesting story on Huffpost: The author's premise is that making it harder for rich untalented kids to fail is at least as bad as keeping poor but talented kids down.

Rich Idiots

Quote:
dozens of studies have estimated the negative effects of failing to tap into the talents of low-income students. Far fewer, however, have considered the drag on the gross domestic product caused by unintelligent CEOs and Ivy League HR staffers hiring people just like themselves.


You can kill any chance of getting a top law firm interview just by listing the "wrong" sort of interests and hobbies. And the sad thing is that a rich kid's real interests may be hookers and blow, but he lists polo and sailing.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/14/19 03:23 AM

I'm kinda thinking that while real actual polo and sailing do exist, listing them is like listing "long walks on the beach" or "ask me later".
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/14/19 04:26 AM

I actually like recreational sailing, but all the sailing I have done is "poor man's sailing" in 14 and 16 foot catamarans mostly. My ex-wife had a job as a sailmaker.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/14/19 07:53 AM



Dumbass GOP House Member Brian Mast (R-FL) wishes US Navy "Happy Birthday" with a pic of the Russian battlecruiser Pyotr Velikiy. rolleyes

Posted by: Ujest Shurly

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/14/19 10:08 AM

Originally Posted By: Greger

Roscoe has a laundry room game he likes to play too. He loves rubbing his face in clean laundry. Maybe he thinks getting dragged out of them is like a hug...


Next time you dry some towels, wrap a fresh from the dryer towel around you and ... Sweet...Cozy...HEAVEN......

Works best if it is a little chilly with short sleves.
Posted by: Ujest Shurly

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/14/19 10:11 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick


Dumbass GOP House Member Brian Mast (R-FL) wishes US Navy "Happy Birthday" with a pic of the Russian battlecruiser Pyotr Velikiy. rolleyes



He is a Republican ROTFMOL
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/14/19 04:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Ujest Shurly
Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Dumbass GOP House Member Brian Mast (R-FL) wishes US Navy "Happy Birthday" with a pic of the Russian battlecruiser Pyotr Velikiy. rolleyes

He is a Republican ROTFMOL

Enough said. coffee
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/16/19 02:00 AM



Rudy Giuliani did not respond to Congress' subpoena request for documents that were due today. The House needs to use its "inherent contempt" authority, which Congress has the legal authority to arrest and detain Giuliani right now. Hmm

If House Democrats don’t deal with Giuliani's disregard of the law now, they’re risking future trouble.

The House needs to hold Giuliani in inherent contempt and jail him or the rest of their subpoenas become impotent.

mad
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/16/19 02:19 AM

Every single subpoena is going to be ignored.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/16/19 02:51 AM



DNC debate 10/15/19:

Quote:
We are a divided nation. I will bring us back together.


Speaking for myself, I don't see what good a Conservative will do in my life. Hmm Conservatives and I don't have the same viewpoints on anything and there is no intersection in our Venn Diagrams. crazy
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/16/19 02:56 AM



Who talked the most at tonight's debate...

Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/16/19 03:21 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick


Who talked the most at tonight's debate...




Disagree.

"Senator Thankyou" talked the most tonight.
Senator Thankyou appeared to be the winning candidate.
I am SO SICK and tired of this unsustainable and uninformative format.
Enough is enough.

You cannot pack complex answers into competing sixty second GOTCHA! sound bites.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/16/19 05:07 AM



Jeff, that graphic came from CNN.com. smile

ps. Who's Senator Thank You? Hmm
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/16/19 05:10 AM


I love how Conservatives are trying to pick who should run against Trump. LOL


..

The fact that they pick Gabbard says a lot - she's the weakest against Trump. rolleyes
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/16/19 11:47 AM


President Trump locks kids and families in cages on the US southern border seeking a better life; but sets ISIS free in Syria. Go figure.

How dangerous is Donald Trump to the world stage? He’s an imbecile who thinks he’s a genius.

Hmm
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/16/19 11:53 AM



Your daily reminder that Donald Trump proves three things:

1. The Tea Party never really cared about the national debt - it really WAS about a black president for them.
2. Evangelicals never really cared about "values."
3. Republicans never cared about WH oversight.

smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/17/19 03:30 AM


Can a woman beat Donald Trump? Yes, Nancy Pelosi does it every day. smile

Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/17/19 01:13 PM



Elijah Cummings, the chairman of the powerful House Committee on Oversight and Reform, and a longtime Democratic member from Baltimore, has died at age 68.

In Memorium

frown , cry
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/17/19 04:47 PM



Trump's troop withdrawal melt down.

smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/17/19 05:22 PM



Donald J Trump, the most grifty POTUS ever, to hold the 2020 G7 at the bed bug and cockroach-ridden Trump International Doral
Resort.

Guess Camp David isn't good enough for the gold-plated gaudy grifter - plus no money to skim off of Camp David either. coffee
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/17/19 06:03 PM

That right there should be an impeachable offense.

That it isn't speaks to the failure of our founders. They tried, bless their hearts, but they failed. A despot has seized the reigns and a party has made a crown a part of their logo for the 2020 convention.
2020 logo

A subtle hint that Trump will be crowned in 2020!

That monarchic rule has arrived! That Single Party rule has been achieved!

yeah, lack of foresight on the part of the founders.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/17/19 07:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Greger
...A despot has seized the reigns and a party has made a crown a part of their logo for the 2020 convention.
2020 logo...

An elephant and a crown?!? Have the Republicans lost their minds? mad
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/17/19 07:55 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick


Jeff, that graphic came from CNN.com. smile

ps. Who's Senator Thank You? Hmm


The thing I remember most was the fact that every single time a candidate was just about to get to the meat of their point, they'd get interrupted by an almost mechanical sounding "Senator, thank you", or "Thank you, Senator", or "Secretary" or whatever their title was...thus "Senator Thankyou" almost got more airtime than any of the candidates.
It was an overly long flurry of competing impotent "GOTCHA!" sound bites all designed to work as distraction from even the foggiest notion that we are dealing in complex issues which require careful, well thought out answers and a great deal of cooperation.

The Democratic Party thinks it had something to do with the layout of this debate but in reality, it had nothing to do with the layout of the debate.
CNN is claiming responsibility for the layout of this turd, but they weren't as involved as they think they were.

Nope, TWITTER and the TWITTER mindset and attention span is what is responsible for the layout of this debate.
There wasn't even a need to broadcast it on TV at all, when the best format would have been for it to be a live text stream on social media, with a tiny live video window where you could see and hear them if you wanted to. But mostly, we listened to a series of live action enhanced Twitter textfarts.

The Republican Party claims they had nothing to do with the layout of the debate, but whether they know it or not, they did...even if they didn't intend to.
Everything about this most recent debate was designed and laid out in homage to Donald Trump's favorite medium.

I'm not aiming this at the Trumpers, or even the Republicans.
This is leveled at you, you Democrats, you lefties, you liberals, you folks on the center-left side of the fence, you mavens of the DNC apparatus.

No more clown cars, please.
No more ambushes.
No more gotchas.
This madness must stop.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/18/19 03:48 PM



Republicans for the Rule of Law anti-Trump ad. I love when Republicans eat their own. smile

Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/18/19 10:15 PM

"Sadly, the recently announced pullout risks repeating the Obama administration’s reckless withdrawal from Iraq, which facilitated the rise of the Islamic State in the first place."

---Uh ohhh, Mitch invoked Obama and compared a Trump strategy to an Obama failure.
EXTREME DISLOYALTY!!! Turn loose the flying monkeys NOW!

Oooo weee ooo - - - yooo oooo.
Oooo weee ooo - - - yooo oooo.
Oooo weee ooo - - - yooo oooo.
Oooo weee ooo - - - yooo oooo.
Oooo weee ooo - - - yooo oooo.

Mitch intended to draw blood because McTurtle knows that if he really wants to inflame the Orange Baboon, all he has to do is compare him or his work product to that ignint Kenyan nigra commie who was in the White House before him.

Mitch McConnell . . . . you're FIRED!

WaPo: Mitch McConnell OpEd

Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/19/19 12:07 AM

How to address women during grey sweatpants season:

Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/19/19 01:13 AM

I love the fact that Donald has to inhabit the house that "that ignint Kenyan nigra commie who was in the White House before him" spent 8 years in. Every time he wakes up, it's in a room Obama slept in. Every time he uses the toilet, he's on the toilet Obama used. Every time he sits down to eat, it's in the room Obama ate in. And so on.

This is why the whole premise of the pee tape is so silly: Obama slept in that bed in Moscow once. Trump has to live in Obama's presence every day at the White House. I wonder how much of Obama's shed skin particles Trump has inhaled by now? I wonder if he thought of burning the place down and rebuilding before he moved in?
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/19/19 03:15 AM

The above is suitable for framing.
I dare not even sully it with a quote.

But I shared it with my wife, who is still laughing because she made me read it twice, especially the part about the inhaled skin particles.
Now you have me wondering if Melania secretly inhaled some of his skin particles on purpose.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/19/19 04:25 AM

Meanwhile I bet first thing Melania did when she walked upstairs was probably to fling herself in Obama's bed before Trump sullied it and inhaled deeply.

Or she would have, but I suspect Trump had Obama's mattress removed while he was taking the oath, cut up in the shape of a cross and burned at one of his golf courses at midnight.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/19/19 04:29 AM

By the way, did we all ever get to see that picture of Melania greeting Justin Trudeau a month or so back?



I caption it: "SLOVENIAN PURRING"

To which my dear friend said:

"A sound Trumpanzees shall never hear." LOL ROTFMOL
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/19/19 07:02 AM

Jeff, that made me laugh so hard Ida spilled my coffee if I drank the stuff.
Posted by: Ujest Shurly

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/19/19 04:22 PM

ROTFMOL LOL ROTFMOL

:applaud: ThumbsUp

Gota watch those camera angles...
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/19/19 04:52 PM

That's the happiest I've ever seen her! Truly a stunningly beautiful woman without the resting bitch face in place. Probably the last time Trump saw that beautiful face was just before he showed her the pre-nups holding her essentially hostage until her son reached the age of majority.

The lad must be 15 or so now but no pictures have been published since he was about 12, or none that I'm aware of. I hope he has an active and happy life on social media because his life in the Whitehouse must indeed be tragic.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/19/19 06:36 PM

Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Jeff, that made me laugh so hard Ida spilled my coffee if I drank the stuff.


It actually did force a spit take for me when he typed it.
I posted the pic to him on private msg with that caption and he came back with that one liner in about five seconds.
So yeah, I was all "pffffffffttttt-spit" everywhere. ROTFMOL

By the way, here's Ivanka beaming at JT, apparently Ivanka gets all dreamy eyed when she sees him, too.



I'm surprised Trump hasn't nuked Canada yet.
After all, Justin has effectively cucked him TWICE!
If Melania ever sighs "Oh Justin", it's all over for "America's Hat".
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/21/19 07:03 PM

It didn't have to be like this...

Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/22/19 04:12 AM

Amazing how easy it is to screw things up just by changing the tax rates and inheritance laws. Maybe we can start fixing that come 2021.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/22/19 04:57 PM



Donald J Trump:

A legal inquiry = “A witch hunt!”
Constitutional oversight = “A lynching!”

Originally Posted By: Crybaby and perpetual victim and drama queen, Donald J. Trump
No politician in history — and I say this with great surety — has been treated worse or more unfairly.


smile
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/23/19 11:32 PM

snowflake
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/24/19 02:41 AM



Trump Re-election Campaign won't pay invoices to various municipalities for security for his Klan Rallies.

Fine. Either don't provide security for Trump in the first place or demand payment upfront prior to Trump's arrival.

Hmm
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/24/19 03:49 PM



Wall Street Journal: Trump too incompetent to impeach.


rolleyes

Leave it to conservatives to excuse incompetent behavior. smile

Non-subscription summary here.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/25/19 03:49 AM

Even if he is incompetent, you get him lying under oath and he's guilty of perjury. The penalty for that may be prison, or he may plead insanity and the penalty is involuntary commitment. Judges do not take kindly to lying in court.

And Trump thinks he's packed the courts with "his guys". But what he's done is packed the courts with conservative judges nominated by The Federalist Society. They tend to be the strictest when people bring BS legal theories to court and then lie about them.
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/25/19 05:28 PM

Quote:
They tend to be the strictest when people bring BS legal theories to court and then lie about them.


Um...unless those people are fellow conservatives, then they get a pass.

Trump isn't actually a conservative though is he, and he's not known to take chances or leave bases uncovered. Comrade Vlad still controls his KGB forces though and they are pretty good at digging up dirt, they are good at making threats too, and making payoffs into foriegn accounts.

Whoever aint bought is blackmailed. The Republican FBI and the Justice for Republicans Department will bring anyone down who crosses Trump.

In 2024 Jared Kusher will be appointed President for life by the aging Donald Trump....

Brutalist architecture, secondhand track suits, and soylent green cabbages. Grown in soil enriched by Americans.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/25/19 07:14 PM

Quote:
unless those people are fellow conservatives, then they get a pass


If that's true, then how come the Trump administration keeps on losing every time it takes a silly case to court, even before "Trump" judges. I'm not saying Trump has not appointed "Trump Judges", because he has. But WAY fewer than he thinks.
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/25/19 10:20 PM

Quote:
then how come the Trump administration keeps on losing every time it takes a silly case to court

Because he's not a real conservative and he's a political neophyte.

He(and his lawyers) are completely out of their league, they tend to couch their demands of the court in executive privilege and presidential powers. If they want to impress conservative judges they need to find constitutional defenses, whether they make any sense or not doesn't matter as long as they quote some random passage in the constitution that seems to support their case. Judges will lap it up every time.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/26/19 12:12 AM

Originally Posted By: Greger
He(and his lawyers) are completely out of their league...

Exactly. Trump ran on the idea of being an experienced businessman and very successful deal-maker.

Sadly, however, Trump it turns out, has become known as a pathological liar, and his skills at negotiating have turned out to be a complete and utter lie. Trump has been no match for the seasoned politicos in Washington DC.
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/26/19 11:05 PM

Quote:
Trump ran on the idea of being an experienced businessman and very successful deal-maker.


Trump is a spoiled rich playboy, but he played an experienced businessman and very successful deal-maker on television.

Your average republican can't tell them apart.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/27/19 12:27 AM

Quote:
he played an experienced businessman and very successful deal-maker on television


None of that was his doing. The producer of The Apprentice said they had to cut the hell out of their footage to make it look like Trump was rational. He just did stuff at random and they assembled bits and pieces to make it seem to make sense. Really, none of the people he fired did anything to deserve it. He just had favorites, so he wouldn't fire them. It was all run by "his gut" instead of his head. Which is what you are left with when your head is not working so well any more.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/27/19 02:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Greger
Trump is a spoiled rich playboy...

Real playboys don't pay women for sex. coffee
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/27/19 02:11 AM

Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Quote:
he played an experienced businessman and very successful deal-maker on television

None of that was his doing. The producer of The Apprentice said they had to cut the hell out of their footage to make it look like Trump was rational. He just did stuff at random and they assembled bits and pieces to make it seem to make sense. Really, none of the people he fired did anything to deserve it. He just had favorites, so he wouldn't fire them. It was all run by "his gut" instead of his head. Which is what you are left with when your head is not working so well any more.

Sounds about right.

Trump is the laughingstock of the entire world, a failure who's too stupid and lazy to accomplish anything, and in year three of his malignant "presidency," has looked around at the ruins of everything he’s touched, see it's all turned to shyte.

Hmm
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/27/19 02:14 AM

Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Quote:
he played an experienced businessman and very successful deal-maker on television


None of that was his doing. The producer of The Apprentice said they had to cut the hell out of their footage to make it look like Trump was rational.


Contrary to public belief, they couldn't even shoot the show AT Trump Tower, which is what the show tried to make people believe.

"What we did was a scam" - Bill Pruitt, Director

Quote:
“If you walked around Trump’s actual office in Trump Tower you’d see the wood’s chipped, and what’s that smell?” says Pruitt in the film. “It wasn’t the empire we were going to have to sell to people. We needed to gussy it up a bit. And we did.”


Chipped and broken woodwork, threadbare carpet, funny smells, worn furniture, messy offices, plumbing and electric problems, all documented by a good many past crew and participants.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/27/19 06:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Chipped and broken woodwork, threadbare carpet, funny smells, worn furniture, messy offices, plumbing and electric problems, all documented by a good many past crew and participants.

Way back in the day, when Greta Van Sustren still had her blog on Fox when she still worked at Fox, there was a Conservative in NC whose community fixed-up a local park.

Then a while later, the same NC poster said they were fixing-up the local park. The last time was a year prior.

The point is, the conservatives tend not to maintain what they have, they let it fall apart and turn to shyte and just renew all over again. Hmm
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/27/19 07:33 AM



Jeff, thanks for the post above. It inspired me to watch a Netflix Docuseries called Dirty Money. It's the last episode in the series called CONfidence Man. (Emphasis on con for con artist). The entire episode is about Trump.

I just finished watching the episode. All of the things that Donald Trump has done to people is pretty gross. The man is a horrible person and you can't feel good about supporting him in any way after watching that episode.

Hmm

Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/27/19 06:05 PM


Here's something I found very interesting about the Netflix episode discussed above. The series came-out in 2018, a year before Ukraine "quid pro quo."

The guy discussing Trump's casinos stated that everything Trump does in life is a quid pro quo.

Hmm
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/28/19 03:26 AM



Trump greeted with Boos and "lock him up" at World Series Game 5.

smile , LOL
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/28/19 03:51 AM



Trump boo'd at game five and Joe Biden on 60 Minutes telling the corrupt one in the Oval Office to release his taxes if he's truly anti-corruption. All-in-all, a good Sunday night.

smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/28/19 04:39 AM



Look how Trump’s face changes when he realizes an entire stadium is booing him:

Twitter.com

smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/28/19 05:15 AM



#LockHimUp tending on Twitter. smile

Now Trump knows what real Americans think of him outside of his little Klan rally bubble. Hmm
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/28/19 12:33 PM




Joe and Mika have the sadz about what Trump heard last night at World Series Game 5.

Too bad. This president deserves all of the ridicule the American public can muster. Trump brought this upon himself by his own actions and his own words.

mad

Buck-up, buttercups. smile


Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/29/19 02:47 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick



Joe and Mika have the sadz about what Trump heard last night at World Series Game 5.

Too bad. This president deserves all of the ridicule the American public can muster. Trump brought this upon himself by his own actions and his own words.

mad

Buck-up, buttercups. smile




Plus, this was not a candidate egging people on, it was a spontaneous expression of free will AND free speech by the American people, and God bless the First Amendment.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/29/19 04:19 AM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Plus, this was not a candidate egging people on, it was a spontaneous expression of free will AND free speech by the American people, and God bless the First Amendment.

Yup. This fact defeats walking, talking rectum Don Jr's claim that Trump left his 13 year old Barron at home from the World Series because of the booing.

Nobody knew that was going to happen. Hmm

I cannot wait until the day we don't have to hear of these complete and utter creeps - the Trump family - ever again. That day cannot come soon enough for me. mad
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/30/19 04:57 AM



Last night on Jimmy Kimmel, Arnold Swarzenegger was one of his guests. Jimmy asked Arnold if it is true that OJ Simpson was considered first to be the T-800 killing machine.

Arnold says yes, it's true, and they passed on OJ because no one would believe him as a killing machine. "That was before that other thing happened," said Arnold.

Jimmy: "Wait, there was another thing that happened?"

Arnold just remained silent for a second, then ignored the question.

It was hilarious. laugh
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/30/19 04:58 AM

Quote:
That day cannot come soon enough for me.

Oh, I don't know about that. Some of the news we hear about prisoner's unfortunate events might be kind of nice, regarding Trump. It's rather fitting to hear a rapist gets raped, or a murderer get shivved. Justice happens, one way or another.
Posted by: Ken Condon

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/30/19 05:14 AM

Do any of “you people” watch Sean Hannity on Fox?........

.....I didn’t think so. Hiding ones head in the sand does not make one informed. Give him a looksee sometime. You just might then “get it.”

Or at least have a clue as to what and who you are dealing with.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/30/19 06:00 AM

Originally Posted By: Ken Condon
Do any of “you people” watch Sean Hannity on Fox?....

I'd rather shove knitting needles into my eyes and ears. crazy
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/30/19 06:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Ken Condon
Hiding ones head in the sand does not make one informed.

For me, it's not hiding my head in the sand, it's about using my time wisely. Seriously, what's the point? Sean Hannity is a lying sociopath where up is down, down is up - essentially copying Trump's reality.

Hmm
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/30/19 06:05 AM

Originally Posted By: Ken Condon
Or at least have a clue as to what and who you are dealing with.

I got the clue alright...Hannity tongue bathes Trump. Trump is a pathological lying narcissist who makes everything about himself, who can do no wrong, who is prefect at everything, whose every decision in life is to make Trump's life easier or better or both and richer.
Posted by: Ken Condon

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/30/19 07:39 AM

Sheesh Rick:

Hannity is Trump. They are one and the same. Trump takes his marching orders from Hannity. Hannity is Trump's press secretary and Hannity is always on message.

If one does not choose to acknowledge that, nor be aware of it, there is no wonder why “we" are losing.
Posted by: Ujest Shurly

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/30/19 01:01 PM

I try to read the Fox News website and listen to a few Fox shows.

I very rarely make it past a few minutes, ya just can't fix stupid.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/30/19 04:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Ken Condon
Sheesh Rick:

Hannity is Trump. They are one and the same. Trump takes his marching orders from Hannity. Hannity is Trump's press secretary and Hannity is always on message.

If one does not choose to acknowledge that, nor be aware of it, there is no wonder why “we" are losing.

Trump and Hannity are literally two different people. Beyond that fact, their messages are the same. It is said that Trump and Hannity speak nightly just before they both go to sleep - pillow talk as it were.

smile
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/30/19 06:41 PM

Funny story:
Carlson Blames Liberals For CA Wildfires

Tucker Carlson and his guest blame Liberals and diversity for California wildfires. Of course this is nonsense: The Santa Ana winds that create these massive fires are an Act of God. So I have to blame all the Conservative Evangelicals who pray that California will burn up. Or doesn't prayer work? Not sure myself. Never worked for me, but I'm one of those damned Liberals. Republican Jesus must ignore my prayers.

And no, contrary to Trump's suggestion raking the forest floor will not work because the Southern California fires are brush fires, not forest fires. And exactly who is going to do all that raking anyway? He's deported all our rakers.
Posted by: rporter314

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/30/19 07:19 PM

The real reason is Mr Trump abused his power as president and you can not face the prospect of having to defend his egregious actions.

Here is a clue ... accept reality for what it is and move on.
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/30/19 07:19 PM

God sent Donald Trump to prepare the church for the End Times.

He is The Chosen One. And I'm not making this shite up either. These are the same folks who burned witches y'know. They welcome a chance to proclaim the end of time and the second cumming and whatnot so Global Climate Disaster fits right into their little playbook.

But it's not too much CO2! It's too much sin! And their wrathful god is about to start kicking ass and taking names with Donald John Trump leading the way. And everybody knows that sin is concentrated in coastal regions. Rising sea levels alone should tell you that. Fires and hurricanes, it's all Republican prayers being answered.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/30/19 07:28 PM

Quote:
ya just can't fix stupid

I think very smart people run Fox News. They are very good at making a cable news channel aimed at a particular audience. Almost every story reinforces their beliefs and gets them even more committed. Of course, most of their stories just contain a little bit of truth, so they can claim they are 100% true. And the overall story is highly twisted to make their points.

Most of the people who work for Fox are there for the money, as are the owners. If suddenly the conservative market became unpopular, they would promptly try a different spin. Just look at Rupert Murdoch's tabloids in the UK: Topless girls on every back page!

Murdoch’s British Tabloids Clean Up Their Acts
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/31/19 12:04 AM

Originally Posted By: Greger
God sent Donald Trump to prepare the church for the End Times.

He is The Chosen One. And I'm not making this shite up either. These are the same folks who burned witches y'know.

Trump says all inquiries of him are witch hunts - so be it. Throw Trump into a pool - if he floats, he's a witch and should be burned at a stake, if he sinks to the bottom and drowns - he was innocent.

smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/31/19 12:07 AM

Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
...most of their stories just contain a little bit of truth, so they can claim they are 100% true. And the overall story is highly twisted to make their points.

Exactly. Only conniving sociopaths do that though. Hmm
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/31/19 03:51 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick

Trump says all inquiries of him are witch hunts - so be it. Throw Trump into a pool - if he floats, he's a witch and should be burned at a stake, if he sinks to the bottom and drowns - he was innocent.

smile


LOL ROTFMOL LOL
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/31/19 06:39 AM



There are certain conservatives who control the rightwing narrative. Matt Drudge is one of those righwingers.

Ever since the Ukrainian call became public early last month, Drudge's main headlines have been very negative towards Trump.

We know that conservatives are sheep and look to their rightwing media lords to spoon-feed them their pabulum, and I think that Drudge is preparing his Drudge-reading base to expect Trump to be impeached and the impeachment will be legitimate because Trump did the crime as all of the stories that Drudge is linking to are showing.

Hmm
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/31/19 02:04 PM

White House lawyer moved transcript of T... raised alarms (WaPo, subscription)
Quote:
In his statement to lawmakers, Vindman said he “did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine.”

After the call, Vindman hurried to Eisenberg’s door, bringing with him his twin brother, Yevgeny, an ethics attorney on the National Security Council. Ellis, a deputy legal adviser to the National Security Council, also joined the discussion, the person said.

Vindman read out loud notes he took of the president’s call. Eisenberg then suggested that the National Security Council move records of the call to a separate, highly classified computer system, Vindman told lawmakers.

The White House lawyer later directed the transcript’s removal to a system known as NICE, for NSC Intelligence Collaboration Environment, which is normally reserved for code-word-level ­intelligence programs and top-secret sources and methods, according to an administration official.
This is very, very bad - for the lawyer.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/31/19 02:06 PM




Donald Trump told a group of GOP donors that if he was ever shot, Melanie would not cry for him.

Neither would I, Donald, neither would I. smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 10/31/19 02:07 PM

Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
White House lawyer moved transcript of T... raised alarms (WaPo, subscription)
Quote:
In his statement to lawmakers, Vindman said he “did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine.”

After the call, Vindman hurried to Eisenberg’s door, bringing with him his twin brother, Yevgeny, an ethics attorney on the National Security Council. Ellis, a deputy legal adviser to the National Security Council, also joined the discussion, the person said.

Vindman read out loud notes he took of the president’s call. Eisenberg then suggested that the National Security Council move records of the call to a separate, highly classified computer system, Vindman told lawmakers.

The White House lawyer later directed the transcript’s removal to a system known as NICE, for NSC Intelligence Collaboration Environment, which is normally reserved for code-word-level ­intelligence programs and top-secret sources and methods, according to an administration official.
This is very, very bad - for the lawyer.

Sane people have always known that the White House released notes of the July 25th call, only Trump sycophants believed what the WH released was a "transcript." Hmm
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/01/19 04:56 AM

Quote:
This is very, very bad - for the lawyer.


Disbarment time for that Officer of the Court.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/01/19 05:02 AM

Trump has set out to give lots of campaign money to Senators who support him. Senators who will serve as the jury at his impeachment trial. This is also known as bribing the jury.

Felony Bribery

Quote:
“Any other American who offered cash to the jury before a trial would go to prison for felony bribery .... Criminal,” he added. Painter also indicated those who accept the campaign cash before a Senate trial are “guilty of accepting a bribe.”

Former George W. Bush ethics lawyer Richard Painter
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/01/19 12:20 PM

Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Trump has set out to give lots of campaign money to Senators who support him. Senators who will serve as the jury at his impeachment trial. This is also known as bribing the jury.

Felony Bribery

Quote:
“Any other American who offered cash to the jury before a trial would go to prison for felony bribery .... Criminal,” he added. Painter also indicated those who accept the campaign cash before a Senate trial are “guilty of accepting a bribe.”

Former George W. Bush ethics lawyer Richard Painter

No one has ever claimed that Trump is a bright person - except for Trump himself. smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/01/19 12:21 PM



Hey Greger, he's yours now. Enjoy! smile
Posted by: logtroll

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/01/19 12:43 PM

Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Trump has set out to give lots of campaign money to Senators who support him. Senators who will serve as the jury at his impeachment trial. This is also known as bribing the jury.

Felony Bribery

Quote:
“Any other American who offered cash to the jury before a trial would go to prison for felony bribery .... Criminal,” he added. Painter also indicated those who accept the campaign cash before a Senate trial are “guilty of accepting a bribe.”

Former George W. Bush ethics lawyer Richard Painter

Interesting... I wonder how many of them taking money and disqualifying themselves it would require to give the Dems a 2/3 majority on the impeachment trial?
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/01/19 01:41 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick


Hey Greger, he's yours now. Enjoy! smile


It's just an old snowbird trick to avoid taxes back home. He aint the first yankee to do it and he won't be the last.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/01/19 03:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Greger
Originally Posted By: pdx rick


Hey Greger, he's yours now. Enjoy! smile


It's just an old snowbird trick to avoid taxes back home. He aint the first yankee to do it and he won't be the last.

...as if cheap and chintzy Donald The Welsher Trump ever paid taxes. smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/02/19 01:49 PM





smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/02/19 01:52 PM





coffee
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/03/19 02:13 AM

Fun story: Chick-Fil-A sent out a mass email celebrating National Sandwich Day, November 3rd. But if you want a chicken sandwich, you are going to have to go to Popeye's because Chick-Fil-A is closed on Sunday, November 3rd!

But that's okay, because November 3rd is the day Popeye's says they will have their chicken sandwich back in stock.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/03/19 07:31 AM

Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Fun story: Chick-Fil-A sent out a mass email celebrating National Sandwich Day, November 3rd. But if you want a chicken sandwich, you are going to have to go to Popeye's because Chick-Fil-A is closed on Sunday, November 3rd!

But that's okay, because November 3rd is the day Popeye's says they will have their chicken sandwich back in stock.

That's a major eff-up. Karma! LOL
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/03/19 07:33 AM


President Popular got boo'd again. smile This time at the Ultimate Fighting Championship match at Madison Square Garden.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. laugh

Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/03/19 07:58 AM




smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/04/19 05:02 AM



Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/04/19 09:20 PM



Fatass Sean Hannity has been consulting the State Department on Ambassadors.

How much lower can these loathsome, vile creep Conservatives go in stooping to such depths of depravity in running our government?

Hmm
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/05/19 02:10 PM



My spidy senses were correct. smile

Trump supporters scramble to replace conservative media icon Drudge over belief he betrayed the president.

That was an easy call. laugh
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/05/19 02:14 PM


Roger Stone's trial starts today TU Nov 5th. Get your popcorn ready. smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/05/19 05:32 PM



F/A/O P_I_A:




Chick-fil-A vs Popyes:

Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/05/19 08:24 PM



Looks like President Pelosi is becoming more real by the day. Hmm , smile
Posted by: Ujest Shurly

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/05/19 08:35 PM

Lower than whale droppings at the bottom of Challenger Deep in the Mariana Trench?
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/06/19 01:58 AM



Kentucky is seen as a referendum on Trump: Dem wins Govenorship. Trump won the state by 30% in November 2016.

smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/06/19 02:29 AM



Virginia Delegate Lee Carter, a Democratic socialist, tweeted that his GOP challenger, Manassas City Councilman Ian Lovejoy, has conceded their race.

Dems take both houses of the VA Legislature as well.

#ReferendumOnTrump

smile
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/06/19 04:48 AM

The dominoes fall: click, click, click, click....
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/06/19 05:22 AM


Now that Kentucky has gotten rid of Bevin, are they ready to #DitchMoscwoMitch too?

smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/06/19 07:38 PM



What?!?

He didn't do it. But, if he did do it, which he didn't - it would be ok. And, it is ok, that he didn't do it, because he didn't do it. Hmm

That's America's stable genius POTUS for you. coffee
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/07/19 04:10 AM

Massive gaslighting: Like when your wife catches you in your marriage bed humping another woman, and you just send the woman off and then insist it never happened.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/08/19 02:41 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick


Kentucky is seen as a referendum on Trump: Dem wins Govenorship. Trump won the state by 30% in November 2016.

smile

Bevin won't concede, says there are election irregularities. Kentucky GOP: Republicans urge Bevin to provide proof of election fraud or ‘let it go’ and concede.

Bevin is a Trump-loving sycophant and he's giving us a preview of how things will go down if Trump does not win re-election in November 2020. Hmm
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/09/19 06:42 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: pdx rick


Kentucky is seen as a referendum on Trump: Dem wins Govenorship. Trump won the state by 30% in November 2016.

smile

Bevin won't concede, says there are election irregularities. Kentucky GOP: Republicans urge Bevin to provide proof of election fraud or ‘let it go’ and concede.

Bevin is a Trump-loving sycophant and he's giving us a preview of how things will go down if Trump does not win re-election in November 2020. Hmm

Tonight on PBS Newshour, syndicated columnist Mark Shields and New York Times columnist David Brooks joined Judy Woodruff to discuss the Kentucky Governor's race, one topic of several other topics.

What they mentioned about the Kentucky race is something I had not considered.

They stated that the winner, Andy Beshear ran on guaranteeing the Affordable Care Act with the expansion of Medicaid/Medicare for all - and this won in a red state.

Things that make you go...huh. Hmm , smile
Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/09/19 01:18 PM

2016 West Virginia Democratic primary

It’s a real head scratcher all right, Rick.
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/09/19 04:14 PM

What exactly has the 2016 West Virginia primaries got to do with Kentucky's recent Democratic wins? That's the only head scratcher I'm seeing here.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/09/19 04:17 PM

Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
2016 West Virginia Democratic primary

It’s a real head scratcher all right, Rick.

Welp, on the surface, it appears that WV Dem primary voters went for Bern in 2016 because of health care? But this paragraph from your link suggests otherwise:

Quote:
Analysts speculate Sanders's win in West Virginia came not from support for his own coal policies, but from a rejection of the Obama administration's. Sanders was also helped by large numbers of Republican cross-over voters. Thirty-nine percent of Sanders voters stated they planned to vote for Donald Trump over Sanders in the November general election.

My take-away is that 39% of the votes for Bernie were disingenuous and was setting-up the Dems for failure against Donald Trump who these 39% really wanted to be President - these 39% were gaming the system by fake-voting for Bernie and hoping to choose the Dem in the general to run against Trump. Typical of rightwing shenanigans if you ask me.

Hmm
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/09/19 04:19 PM

Quote:
Andy Beshear ran on guaranteeing the Affordable Care Act with the expansion of Medicaid/Medicare for all - and this won in a red state.

People of all political stripes want better healthcare. If I'm not mistaken Kentucky had an excellent program until Bevin was elected and systematically dismantled it. This may well have been the reason he wasn't re-elected.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/09/19 04:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Greger
Quote:
Andy Beshear ran on guaranteeing the Affordable Care Act with the expansion of Medicaid/Medicare for all - and this won in a red state.

People of all political stripes want better healthcare. If I'm not mistaken Kentucky had an excellent program until Bevin was elected and systematically dismantled it. This may well have been the reason he wasn't re-elected.

Pretty sure that Kentucky never had a good healthcare system and they saw Bevin as standing in their way of having one. Hmm

As I recall, ALL Republican run state governments rejected the expansion of medicare and to form state exchanges back in the day when ACA passed.
Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/09/19 05:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Greger
What exactly has the 2016 West Virginia primaries got to do with Kentucky's recent Democratic wins? That's the only head scratcher I'm seeing here.


When evidence bucks the mainstream political narrative it’s a real head scratcher for some. What could it mean?
Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/09/19 05:51 PM

Oh wait....


“My take-away is that 39% of the votes for Bernie were disingenuous and was setting-up the Dems for failure against Donald Trump who these 39% really wanted to be President - these 39% were gaming the system by fake-voting for Bernie and hoping to choose the Dem in the general to run against Trump. Typical of rightwing shenanigans if you ask me.

:Hmm”

Yeah, 39% of West Virginian Bernie voters crept out behind the barn to game it for Trump. Sure. Makes sense
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/09/19 06:16 PM

Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Yeah, 39% of West Virginian Bernie voters crept out behind the barn to game it for Trump. Sure. Makes sense

Then why would they vote for a known con man after voting for Bernie?
Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/09/19 06:45 PM

Uhhhh.... rilly?

Your trolling now. Tell me your trolling me now.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/09/19 06:48 PM

Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Uhhhh.... rilly?

Your trolling now. Tell me your trolling me now.

I wasn't. Then I checked to determine when that poll was taken and it turns out that it was after the DNC convention in 2016 when Hillary was selected - and I see why those 39% changed.

We're good. smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/10/19 07:59 AM


This is weird.

The NY Times is reporting that Mulvaney has asked a judge for his/her opinion in obeying his boss' order of not adhering to the subpoena to talk to the House Intelligence Committee.

That's got to be awkward given that Mulvaney works 50 feet from Trump.

smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/10/19 05:53 PM



Nikki Haley freely admits to not wanting to save America from an impulsive, emotionally unhinged, 73 year old man-child who careens from one thought to the next in a parade of non sequiturs, frequently interrupting himself in the middle of a sentence to veer into another free association.

Good to know. smile
Posted by: logtroll

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/11/19 01:55 PM

Are Conservatives more Stoic and Liberals tending to Epicurean?
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/11/19 02:36 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick


Nikki Haley freely admits to not wanting to save America from an impulsive, emotionally unhinged, 73 year old man-child who careens from one thought to the next in a parade of non sequiturs, frequently interrupting himself in the middle of a sentence to veer into another free association.

Good to know. smile
I had the same reaction.
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/11/19 02:40 PM

BTW, home from 2 weeks at Walt Disney World and facing a manic week which includes: getting a new fence; buying a new car; and entering the VA Medical system. Not to mention, of course, catching up on mail, bills and activities of daily living.
Posted by: rporter314

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/11/19 05:28 PM

It was my interpretation of what she said ... and I thought she was smart
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/13/19 03:02 PM

She's ambitious. She did a few things that pissed off Trump sycophants while ambassador and is trying to bring them back so she can run for president in 2024. I've never liked her because she's such a blatant opportunist.
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/13/19 07:26 PM

Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
She's ambitious. She did a few things that pissed off Trump sycophants while ambassador and is trying to bring them back so she can run for president in 2024. I've never liked her because she's such a blatant opportunist.


I'll enjoy watching her lose.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/14/19 04:55 AM

We got a hot one on our hands now boys.
Wife Karen has joined the Rant.
Watch this space.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/14/19 05:37 AM

Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
She's ambitious. She did a few things that pissed off Trump sycophants while ambassador and is trying to bring them back so she can run for president in 2024. I've never liked her because she's such a blatant opportunist.

Um...it's Kanye's turn in 2024. Hmm
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/14/19 05:38 AM

Originally Posted By: Greger
Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
She's ambitious. She did a few things that pissed off Trump sycophants while ambassador and is trying to bring them back so she can run for president in 2024. I've never liked her because she's such a blatant opportunist.


I'll enjoy watching her lose.

Haley's ass kissing of Trump is ridiculous. She practically has to push Hannity's glued-lips out of the way.

coffee
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/15/19 01:10 PM



A corrupt guy who ran a scam "University" and stole from his own charitable"Foundation," wants Americans to believe that he cares about Ukrainian corruption.

Hmm
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/15/19 05:02 PM

This just in...

Roger Stone found guilty of lying to congress and witness tampering.

LOL LOL LOL popcorn2 LOL LOL LOL popcorn2
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/15/19 08:27 PM


UPDATED: Related Criminal Convictions by Administration – Past 50 Years

LBJ – 0
Nixon – 55
Ford – 1
Carter – 0
Reagan – 16
H.W. Bush – 1
Clinton – 1
Bush – 16
Obama – 0
Trump – 6

TOTAL:
Republicans = 97
Democrats = 1

I hope that Trump pardons Stone, just to add another article of impeachment and one that would be harder for congressional Republicans to ignore.

smile
Posted by: Greger

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/15/19 09:33 PM

Will Roger Rabid be pardoned? Is he even on Trump's radar? Trump is not known for his altruistic actions.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/15/19 09:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Greger
Will Roger Rabid be pardoned? Is he even on Trump's radar? Trump is not known for his altruistic actions.


Pardoning Stone wouldn't be an altruistic action, it would be CYA.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/16/19 01:15 PM



Dear Danny Cevalos,

With regard to Marie Yovanovich’s testimony:
With all due respect, you omitted a major point this morning on MSNBC.
You stated that the defense is arguing that Trump has freedom of speech and you correctly pointed out that there's still some limit to that, and that many courts routinely strike down 1A arguments in criminal procedings.

But...if I may be so candid, the whole free speech issue is null and void because POTUS exercised his speech via Twitter and his Twitter acct has been ruled "Official White House Communications", which of course means it is official government communications and as such...HOLY COW...constitutes OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT HARASSMENT.
And that is a direct contradiction OF the very CORE of the First Amendment.

Simply put, Donald Trump just pissed all over the Constitution, again.
And this time his constitutional urinary excretions have very nearly caused that sacred and esteemed document to burst into flames, flames that we all should be revulsed by as Americans.

(Danny Cevalos is an MSNBC legal analyst)
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/16/19 01:37 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
A corrupt guy who ran a scam "University" and stole from his own charitable"Foundation," wants Americans to believe that he cares about Ukrainian corruption.
I think he cares deeply about Ukrainian corruption. He even sent his personal lawyer to Ukraine to create as much of it as he could.
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/16/19 01:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
But...if I may be so candid, the whole free speech issue is null and void because POTUS exercised his speech via Twitter and his Twitter acct has been ruled "Official White House Communications", which of course means it is official government communications and as such...HOLY COW...constitutes OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT HARASSMENT.
And that is a direct contradiction OF the very CORE of the First Amendment.

Simply put, Donald Trump just pissed all over the Constitution, again.
And this time his constitutional urinary excretions have very nearly caused that sacred and esteemed document to burst into flames, flames that we all should be revulsed by as Americans.
I couldn't agree more. Well said. Of course, he's only pissing on the Constitution to put it out after burning it earlier. He used the American flag to initiate the conflagration.
Posted by: logtroll

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/16/19 01:45 PM

Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
I think he cares deeply about Ukrainian corruption. He even sent his personal lawyer to Ukraine to create as much of it as he could.

I heard a comment yesterday from Trump that I'll have to paraphrase (at the risk of being castigated by Trump Zombies as "making up lies") - he said something like, "A friend of mine told me that Ukraine is the most corrupt country on Earth". I had two immediate thoughts: 1) That bit of information was an invitation to Trump to "do business" in Ukraine, and was not a warning; 2) the friend was Paul Manafort who was making a pile of dough out of the corruption and was, in fact, a major dealer in corruption there.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/16/19 08:36 PM



Donna Brazile goes off on Roger Stone. You go girl! (Advance to 0:30) smile

Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/16/19 09:28 PM

Quote:
"A friend of mine told me that Ukraine is the most corrupt country on Earth".


That's not a bug: It's a feature!

One good thing you can say about Trump: He has actually drained the swamp by employing the monsters, who then end up in jail. His administration is like flypaper. All the nasty bugs get sucked into it and then die. Miller is next. There may some hope for the GOP if all these crooks are taken out of the picture. (I'm including all the Senators who refuse to do their jobs. And Devin Nunes, of course.)
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/17/19 01:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Ken Condon
Sheesh Rick:

Hannity is Trump. They are one and the same. Trump takes his marching orders from Hannity. Hannity is Trump's press secretary and Hannity is always on message.

If one does not choose to acknowledge that, nor be aware of it, there is no wonder why “we" are losing.


I do "take a core sample" of the various Fox News Channel "personalities" from time to time, usually via YouTube.
I feel dirty afterwards.

But I'll tell you, I actually do try to catch their regular hard news guys for an alternative perspective. Chris Wallace and Co are fairly reliable fellas.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/17/19 05:47 AM



Louisiana's governorship stayed DEM today after Trump held a rally there on Thursday night and has been there five times in three weeks to support the ReTHUGliclown challenger.

First Kentucky two weeks ago, now Louisiana - everything Trump touches dies. Try to tell me now TrumpTARDs that this is not a referendum of Trump. smile
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/17/19 03:44 PM



Trump makes unexpected visit to Walter Reed to get a "head start" on his February 2020 annual exam.

Is Trump laying the foundation for a "medical exit" from the WH? Hmm
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/17/19 08:12 PM

I've seen some web rumors that Trump's sudden unexpected visit to Walter Reed was because of chest pains. I would not be surprised to hear "phase 1" of his yearly physical included an EKG. Let's see if he goes vegan now...

Even if it's Fake News, being impeached has to be pretty stressful.

As for that Louisiana governor's race, the Republican didn't even include his own picture in his initial ads. He made his campaign all about Trump, and now the USS Trump is sinking.

Democrat Wins

This election has some important future effects: The Governor gets to veto any redistricting plan after the 2020 census! That will pretty much end gerrymandering in Louisiana.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/17/19 09:04 PM

Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
This election has some important future effects: The Governor gets to veto any redistricting plan after the 2020 census! That will pretty much end gerrymandering in Louisiana.

I like that a lot! smile
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/17/19 10:07 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick


Trump makes unexpected visit to Walter Reed to get a "head start" on his February 2020 annual exam.

Is Trump laying the foundation for a "medical exit" from the WH? Hmm


Let me tell you something about "Walter Reed" (formerly Bethesda Naval Hospital) and presidential visits.
Pardon the wordiness, I have to give some background.
~~~~~~~~
I grew up on East Parkhill Drive in Bethesda and could look up the street and SEE the tower of the Navy Hospital and I could HEAR the choppers warming up, taking off and landing.
Our house was less than 800 feet from the grounds of the base.
I can actually SEE the homes in my old neighborhood in the upper left corner of this image.


There were only TWO KINDS of helo traffic to "NATNAVMEDCEN", either Marine One and its escorts, which were all single rotor jobs, or the Chinooks, which ferried wounded soldiers from Andrews AFB.
Thus, 99% of the time, I heard Chinooks...all day long.



And there's no way to confuse those Chinooks with Marine One, they sounded and looked completely different.
And we kids were maybe the only non-military people who could tell the sound of a Chinook from two miles out, it's very distinctive.

Also, whenever the POTUS went there for the annual physical, it was ALWAYS after New Year's, or in early February, and when POTUS goes to NATNAVMEDCEN, you cannot turn left out of the old hood, go up Cedar Lane and turn left on Wisconsin Avenue because it is closed off at Cedar Lane and Wisconsin Avenue for the duration of his visit.
The local news ALWAYS made a point of letting everyone know in advance.
And doctors who lived in our neighborhood and worked at NATNAVMEDCEN would be picked up and dropped off by military plain gray wrapper cars from the base during those days.

Across the street you find NIH and the National Library of Medicine. Access to those places is impossible as well, plus there was always a phalanx of security, military and support vehicles hogging up one of the main parking lots across the street.

So, a Saturday "physical" in November??? Never happened ONCE the entire time I was growing up there.

So, is Mr. Trump preparing a plausible excuse to exit the White House? Quite possibly. Watch this space for several more unscheduled visits.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/17/19 11:27 PM



Thanks for your perspective Jeff. Fatso...erm, Donald Trump, is said to have been having "chest pains." Probably a panic attack most likely. It's not everyday that a POTUS goes through an impeachment investigation. smile
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/18/19 04:19 PM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick


Thanks for your perspective Jeff. Fatso...erm, Donald Trump, is said to have been having "chest pains." Probably a panic attack most likely. It's not everyday that a POTUS goes through an impeachment investigation. smile


I got nuthin for ya Rick except to repeat what others already said:
All that sedentary lifestyle, all those insomniac hours tweeting on the golden crapper, all that Diet Coke, all that KFC, all those Big Macs, all that ground up/snorted up Adderall, sumpin's gotta give at some point.

But then again, I suppose most of us thought one night with a paid off porn star hooker/strumpet and lying about hush money would be enough to finish him off, didn't we?

I suspect most of us are also surprised to realize that former VP Cheney will most likely live to see his hundredth birthday now that
they managed to secure his Darth Vader implant.
The Donald might outlive us all.

Let's just make sure he does it within a 10 ft x 12 ft cell for the rest of his miserable life.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: RoundTable for Fall 2019 - 11/18/19 11:36 PM

I think Cheney's artificial heart will outlive him, until somebody remembers to shut it off. That thing has to be hard on your cerebral arteries. Stroke time?

I live on a hill overlooking Camp Pendleton Marine Base, and they have a bunch of helicopters flying every day. You can always tell the Chinooks, from miles away. Nothing sound like one of them. That's a minor annoyance. Much worse is the mortar practice that seems to run into late night. Not to mention they keep setting the damned place on fire and this is a red flag high fire risk area.