Can't resist.......

Posted by: jgw

Can't resist....... - 07/17/19 07:28 PM

Some thoughts.

The other night I saw "is gun violence a health care problem?" I would humbly submit that, in the United States, HEALTH CARE is a health care problem! (the problem being a for-profit healthcare system obviously driven by greed)

I am not convinced that the Democrats can beat Trump in 2020. They are not, so far and probably never, going to get the goods on Trump. They wait weeks for compliance of their subpoenas and then weeks more to charge with contempt, then more weeks to get that into the courts, then weeks more for that to play out. I suspect they could probably short cut to the supremes but that's not going to happen either. So the dance continues, the house whines and complains, the Dems are outraged along with the Republicans and nothing happens.

I suspect that those that want impeachment think that all of the above becomes even more dramatic. The simple fact is that this doubtful too. Basically, the house continues to investigate with few or no people testifying, thereby rendering all those investigations (something like 20+) spinning their wheels very loudly. The end result is to remind evenybody just how broken the system is and little else.

So, Trump has done a number of pretty disgusting things that need the light of day. For starters there is the appointment of "the best" to appointments and what that has brought; legally, morally, and administratively. Especially those dealing with the environment, malfeasance in office and incompetence.

Then there are the lies. These should be categorized, documented and include any available links.

Both of the above items should be well categorized and listed so that candidates can attack with what goods there are available so far.

My reasoning is that its gonna come down to Republican demonization of the Democrats, the trump economy and jobs against trump disgust. The Democratic party should have anti trump lists, such as those above, possibly broken down into Republicans being run against, by the Dems, ready, The Republican elected class is should be made to explain their support for Trump. It would be helpful to provide to any and all Democrats running for office the aforementioned lists and any others available.

I am suggesting this because the democrats in congress are of no help, even to their own. They just keep on blathering and little else. What they are also doing is allowing the Republicans to paint them as Socialist loons, with their heads in the sky, and unable to function. As usual the Dems just ignore that stuff and it hurts them. ,,

U also find it interesting that the Dems are silent when it comes to the national debt. This, in spite of the simple fact they are promising everybody the moon where there IS NO MONEY!
https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2018/11/we-wil...-vital-programs
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/08/17/5-facts-about-the-national-debt-what-you-should-know/https://www.thebalance.com/interest-on-the-national-debt-4119024

One of the things Trump ran on was being "a master of debt". In private life this meant not paying his bills. If you google "did trump pay his bills" you will get literally thousands like (oh, plus somethinglike 6 bankruptcies):
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...wuits/85297274/
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/campaign-rally-bills-trump-10-cities_n_5d02e5a6e4b0304a120c9a1c

There has been some suggestion that he is actually not going to pay for the national debt either. This would bring our entire economy down to its knees are seriously reduce the worth of the US Dollar.

Now, one last. I think that most understand that EVERY time the Dems have taken over from the Republicans they inherited an economic disaster they were left to clean up. They never placed the blame where it belonged, just did their best to save the nation with nary a whine. This time around, unless Trump does something to take down the entire economy (certainly, a possibility), they will only inherit a national debt of horrendous size if they actually win. The size of the debt also means that if America is going to sell their bonds they are also have to raise the interest rate to entice buyers - which will make things even worse. All that, however, is in the future so - just saying.........
Posted by: Greger

Re: Can't resist....... - 07/17/19 11:06 PM

Trump is Toast in 2020.

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its gonna come down to Republican demonization of the Democrats,

So the racists, bigots and misogynists, the nationalists, the white supremecists and the outright fecking Nazis Are gonna point out all the flaws in the Democratic Party?

The folks who rip children from the arms of their parents and lock them into cages, The folks who foment war to boost arms sales, the folks who cheat in elections, the inside traders, the child and spouse abusers are gonna rqag on the dems for being un_American and un-patriotic? Because they want fair wages and a little help from www.whatever.gov once in a while?

We gonna rip 'em a new assh*le come 2020.

Welcome back....we missed you!
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Can't resist....... - 07/18/19 05:43 AM

Pelosi just does not want the Democrats to shoot their wad early and wind up with Trump acquitted by the Senate by election time. (Just like Bill Clinton!) That's a big part of Trump's actions and outrageous tweets. He wants to be impeached and acquitted. You could even say it is key to getting reelected. Nancy is not that stupid. She will move toward impeachment gradually, but she won't let it happen before election day.

The other thing that is happening is that there is a legal maneuver to get some Trump administration guys charged with perjury for taking phony arguments and making false statements to the Supreme Court in the census question case. The SC more or less reamed them a new one, so this could succeed. Judges do NOT like to be lied to, especially by government lawyers. Lies do have consequences, and Presidential pardons have no effect on contempt charges.

And finally, all these people who are ignoring congressional subpoenas are going to wind up in jail. They are out now but when this does get to court (before election day) it's going to look very bad with most of Trump's staff in orange jumpsuits. Remember there were 6 Watergate burglars but 40 of Nixon's guys ended up convicted.
Posted by: rporter314

Re: Can't resist....... - 07/18/19 05:26 PM

If bigotry, racism, white nationalism, white supremacy, etc is more common than I think (and it may be) Mr Trump will win. This is the driving force behind Trump supporters. He is the voice of bigotry they have not had since Gov Wallace.

Unless Democrats select someone who is more media savvy, more charismatic, and can handle adolescent school yard bullying better than Mr Trump, I believe Mr Trump has a good chance of winning.

Scary
Posted by: Greger

Re: Can't resist....... - 07/18/19 06:14 PM

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Pelosi just does not want the Democrats to shoot their wad early and wind up with Trump acquitted by the Senate by election time.
I want to hold onto that silver bullet just in case we need it after 2020. I'm pretty confidant at the moment that 2020 will go our way but just in case it doesn't, I want to have a little something in my back pocket.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Can't resist....... - 07/19/19 11:47 PM

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Unless Democrats select someone who is more media savvy, more charismatic, and can handle adolescent school yard bullying better than Mr Trump...


This is exactly why I want to draft George Cloony. We have already seen that the voting public are morons, that women won't vote for women, etc. Give them a sexy, suave, sophisticated action hero and I think you have a sure thing. And he has a wife who is not a whore, too! Additional gravy.
Posted by: Greger

Re: Can't resist....... - 07/20/19 02:41 AM

His wife is a f*cking MUSLIM!!!!!

And this aint fantasy football. Clooney wasn't interested in the role.

But thinking about it is certainly a lot more fun than thinking about Biden as our next president.
Posted by: Ujest Shurly

Re: Can't resist....... - 07/20/19 09:53 AM

So what, Amal Clooney is a Lebanese Druze.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Can't resist....... - 07/20/19 07:33 PM

It's actually a lot more complicated than that. Her mother is Shia Muslim. Her father is Lebanese Druze. Druze are technically Muslim, but most other types of Muslim would say they are not. Right from Wikipedia:

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Amal Clooney is fluent in English, French, and Arabic.[92][93] Her father is a Lebanese Druze[11][12][13][16][94] and her mother is a Lebanese Sunni Muslim.[16][17] Some reports have described Clooney as a Druze.[94] However, it is unlikely that she considers herself a part of the religion in any capacity, due to the Druze restriction on exogamy, her mother's Muslim faith, and her marriage to non-Druze George Clooney.[95][96] She has not publicly discussed her religion, but her husband said in an interview with The Hollywood Reporter that Amal Clooney is "nondenominational....not religious at all"


I would say she's more British than anything else, having lived there since she was 2. Oxford grad, and all. Marrying a non-Muslim is not something a Muslim girl of faith would do, and marrying a non-Druze is not something a Druze girl of faith would do.
Posted by: Greger

Re: Can't resist....... - 07/21/19 07:17 PM

Yeah yeah yeah...tell that to the Muzlim hating masses.

Clooney aint in the race and his wife might be the reason why.

It would get ugly from the start and even uglier as it went along. When you're rich, famous, and through your celebrity, and with your wife, you are helping people all over the world, why in blazes would you want to put yourself into that meatgrinder.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Can't resist....... - 07/22/19 12:16 AM

Because you see that Biden is going to be the next President, and then all Republicans after that. Or maybe it would just be a good time to move to England.
Posted by: Greger

Re: Can't resist....... - 07/22/19 04:18 PM

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Because you see that Biden is going to be the next President, and then all Republicans after that


What I see, is Biden failing to accomplish much because he's so far behind the times. He hasn't even got the wherewithal to rule by decree and believes bipartisanship is the way of the future.....

He'll get the same treatment Obama got. Because they know it works.

2024 will see another Republican. 2028 it might switch back. How long can we go on without effective government in place? Letting the rich run rampant over the rest of us. Letting the stupid elect their celebrity heroes. What we're doing now isn't sustainable.

Electing Biden is a vote for trying to sustain it.

Signs and portents are pointing to a substantial Democratic win in 2020. Democrats will have two years to accomplish anything that might be on their agenda. Doubling the current minimum wage would be a good start. Ending the cap on social security is another.

Neither party has done squat to put money into the pockets of the voting public for a long time. If one wants to actually succeed I think that's a pretty good place to start.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Can't resist....... - 07/22/19 10:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Greger
Quote:
Because you see that Biden is going to be the next President, and then all Republicans after that


What I see, is Biden failing to accomplish much because he's so far behind the times. He hasn't even got the wherewithal to rule by decree and believes bipartisanship is the way of the future.....

He'll get the same treatment Obama got. Because they know it works.

2024 will see another Republican. 2028 it might switch back. How long can we go on without effective government in place? Letting the rich run rampant over the rest of us. Letting the stupid elect their celebrity heroes. What we're doing now isn't sustainable.

Electing Biden is a vote for trying to sustain it.

Signs and portents are pointing to a substantial Democratic win in 2020. Democrats will have two years to accomplish anything that might be on their agenda. Doubling the current minimum wage would be a good start. Ending the cap on social security is another.

Neither party has done squat to put money into the pockets of the voting public for a long time. If one wants to actually succeed I think that's a pretty good place to start.


It is a year and a half away still, so why are you guys convinced Biden is a lock, and not a placeholder?

Also, why am I suddenly being tagged a hardcore Biden supporter?
It's as if I've never posted anything here before.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Can't resist....... - 07/23/19 11:05 PM

I don't think Biden is a lock. I think he is a default. It's "his turn", unless somebody better comes along. Which is a pretty low bar. Yes, Biden is in the lead with about 33%, but "not Biden" has 67%. As the race settles, more candidates will drop out. It will be interesting to see where that 67% ends up.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Can't resist....... - 07/24/19 02:13 AM

Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
I don't think Biden is a lock. I think he is a default. It's "his turn", unless somebody better comes along. Which is a pretty low bar. Yes, Biden is in the lead with about 33%, but "not Biden" has 67%. As the race settles, more candidates will drop out. It will be interesting to see where that 67% ends up.


And I'm thinking there's a possibility that Gaffer Joe will stick his foot in his mouth all the way up to the knee, and a lot of that free range 67 will possibly wind up with Liz Warren, unless she too does the foot in mouth thing.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Can't resist....... - 07/24/19 03:58 AM

Actually, I think most of his 33% is not all that committed. Give them a better choice and they will peel off.
Posted by: NW Ponderer

Re: Can't resist....... - 08/03/19 04:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Greger
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Pelosi just does not want the Democrats to shoot their wad early and wind up with Trump acquitted by the Senate by election time.
I want to hold onto that silver bullet just in case we need it after 2020. I'm pretty confidant at the moment that 2020 will go our way but just in case it doesn't, I want to have a little something in my back pocket.
I'm completely with you on this one, my friend. As of today, a majority of the Democrats in the House are in favor of "an impeachment inquiry". Majority of House Democrats now back a T...y Pelosi to act (USA Today). Moreover, the House has already argued that the investigations to date are "impeachment related". An impeachment inquiry has begun (The Hill).

I think an inquiry, and the impeachment question, will work, ultimately, in the Democrats' favor. I recognize that it will energize the GOP base, which is not an insignificant factor, but as more and more facts come out over the course of the inquiry it will dominate headlines, stealing much of Trump's undeserved oxygen. Actually moving on impeachment will inspire a good portion of the Democratic base, too, and, as long as they continue to pursue a clear legislative agenda at the same time, will give them strong platform to run against GOP incumbents (including the President).
Posted by: Greger

Re: Can't resist....... - 08/03/19 06:04 PM

Timing is key in the impeachment affair. We're just gonna hafta trust Pelosi to know when to pull the trigger. I know she'd love to be the one to take Trump down and I don't think she wants to end her career with a failed attempt. This is EPIC politics.
Posted by: jgw

Re: Can't resist....... - 08/03/19 06:08 PM

I am starting to believe that the Democrats may just luck out. Trump is working, very hard, to crash the economy, and is getting demonized with vigor. Moscow Mitch is finding himself not only a butt of jokes but is getting really connected with the Russians and that looks as if its gonna get a LOT worse for him (I wonder, what if the house actually impeached him?). All these are good things as the Dems just keep demonstrating their inability to help themselves but, it seems, they can rely on the Republicans to do it for them. So, my fond hope is that, inspite of the Democratic inability to do themselves any good they may actually win next year!

Actually I am not convinced that the Senate might actually convict Mitch if he got impeached. He has got himself in a genuine mess with no exits. Couple that with the house passing something like 370 pieces of legislating whilst the senate has a whole 24 to their questionable credit. If the Senate Republicans stand even a chance at re-election (assuming the Dems actually put up viable candidates that are not promising the world) they are going to have to deal with Moscow Mitch.

OH, I have been accusing the Dems of not doing themselves any favors. An example might be the Democratic candidates attacking Obama and nobody even mentioning little facts about Obama. One, I think may be pertinent, is the simple fact that the Republicans dedicated themselves, for the last 6 years of Obama, to proudly block virtually any and all Obama legislation and appointments. One would think that somebody might mention that little fact but, I guess, the Dems have been too busy fouling their own nest to bother. There is a lot more to that one but I assume everybody here already understands.

A suggestion for candidates. Before running their mouths I would suggest they all sit down together and discuss stuff like heathcare and what is actually possible. The far lefties, for instance, are not a majority. I suspect most of their 'promises' are actually just more political hot air that will not be a good thing once they get re-elected - or not.

Sorry - once I start its just hard to stop <G>
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Can't resist....... - 08/03/19 07:11 PM



Every single Republican Administration for the past 120 years has seen an economic downturn. Coincidence? I think not. Hmm

Trump will too.

The Feds don't lower the interest rates, willy-nilly and this week's lowering was the first since 2008.

Yup, Trump broke Obama's economy. coffee
Posted by: Greger

Re: Can't resist....... - 08/03/19 08:57 PM

A Trump recession is inevitable. We've just gotta hope that it happens while he's in office so he can be blamed for it. Even if it means re-electing him.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Can't resist....... - 08/03/19 09:10 PM

Republicans in general, have a long history of overreach. They do great as the opposition Party, but if they get elected they do a lot of crap that most people don't like. Then they get booted, and the cycle starts all over. Unfortunately, the voters have a very short memory so sooner rather than later they forget all the bad stuff Republicans did the last time they were in power. Hopefully, this administration will be harder to forget. Especially if Trump ends up behind bars, and that's a real possibility.