Iowa caucuses fail dismally.

Posted by: Hamish Howl

Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/04/20 02:45 PM

The best time to beta test an app is during your kickoff primary.

https://apnews.com/65327a2b9acbc9c903ef7f906bfce1f4

Quote:
Democrats have no Iowa caucus results, blame ‘coding issue’
Posted by: logtroll

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/04/20 03:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
The best time to beta test an app is during your kickoff primary.

https://apnews.com/65327a2b9acbc9c903ef7f906bfce1f4

Quote:
Democrats have no Iowa caucus results, blame ‘coding issue’

Maybe it's the Wuhan virus and not just a code... eek2
Posted by: Greger

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/04/20 04:27 PM


Maybe it's Democratic Party shenanigans.

Near as I can tell Sanders took the lead and they shut it down.

I expect results to come in later today showing a narrow victory for Biden.
Posted by: Hamish Howl

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/04/20 05:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Greger

Maybe it's Democratic Party shenanigans.


Oddly enough, Trump's 2020 campaign geek said the same thing.

Despite the fact that now it will be counted via the original paper trail.
Posted by: jgw

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/04/20 07:16 PM

This is, obviously, yet another example of the Democrats screwing it up bigtime. This morning it started out with a simple program problem and easily fixed. Now its become a serious coding problem. No telling where its going to go from there.

Its often said; "Democrats have a real talent for screwing it up". This can add a little humor but the outcome is slightly different. Every time they do something stupid, like this, voters have got to be wondering whether they should be in charge of gov. This time, for me, its a really important election to get rid of a bullying and budding American King. My hope is that they will think things through before having at it. Anybody with half a brain knows that before you install a new program you test the hell out of it. We are now told that their testing was putting it into operating 2 hours before use! <sigh>
Posted by: Greger

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/04/20 07:33 PM

Quote:
now it will be counted via the original paper trail.


Will it? Or is that simply what we will be told as results are created from whole cloth?
Posted by: Hamish Howl

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/04/20 10:15 PM

Originally Posted By: jgw
This is, obviously, yet another example of the Democrats screwing it up bigtime. This morning it started out with a simple program problem and easily fixed. Now its become a serious coding problem. No telling where its going to go from there.

Its often said; "Democrats have a real talent for screwing it up". This can add a little humor but the outcome is slightly different. Every time they do something stupid, like this, voters have got to be wondering whether they should be in charge of gov. This time, for me, its a really important election to get rid of a bullying and budding American King. My hope is that they will think things through before having at it. Anybody with half a brain knows that before you install a new program you test the hell out of it. We are now told that their testing was putting it into operating 2 hours before use! <sigh>


America: Living proof of the Peter Principle.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/05/20 01:58 AM

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results are created from whole cloth?


That's what Trump would like you to believe. But it's all down on paper. Everybody who went to a caucus knows the results of that caucus. If there was any fiddling with the numbers, thousands of people would know.

Just like so many other conspiracies, that's nonsense. The human race can hardly keep anything secret if just two people know it, much less thousands.

If there was a hack, it was not to change the numbers. It was to make the reporting process fail. And that is exactly what Trump is promoting and his Russian hacker buddies could have done.
Posted by: Greger

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/05/20 02:14 AM

Quote:
If there was a hack, it was not to change the numbers. It was to make the reporting process fail. And that is exactly what Trump is promoting and his Russian hacker buddies could have done.


And I'm saying it was intentionally done to slow down the process and to make it easier for Democrats to finagle their own numbers. The Democratic Party is terrified of Bernie Sanders. It's being said that the stock market will crash if he is the nominee...lots of things are being said. Things are being done about it too.

Shenanigans...Malarkey....Finagling...anything to Stop Bernie.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/05/20 02:48 AM


Scrap the Iowa caucus 2020 results and move-on to New Hampshire. Hmm
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/05/20 02:55 AM

The first results actually had Bernie in the lead, so you might want to KEEP the Iowa results.
Posted by: jgw

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/05/20 08:21 PM

I watched the news this morning. Results from the Iowa thing continue to come in and, apparently, will keep on happing for several days. All the candidates have moved on and, as far as I can tell, nobody cares anymore. If nothing else, however, it is yet another democratic screwup.

Hopefully the last (yet more wishful thinking - sorry....)
Posted by: Hamish Howl

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/05/20 08:47 PM

It's time for Uncle Joe to quit and support one of the three that has a chance.
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/05/20 09:10 PM

Actually this is fairly normal for the Iowa caucus process. It is not a direct vote. Caucuses select electors who go to later "super-caucuses", and I think there is another layer from there. Those other meetings have not happened yet. So the "results" they are reporting are preliminary and approximate. That's why Pete and Bernie are ahead in different parameters. Sort of like the popular vote versus the electoral college.
Posted by: Greger

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/05/20 11:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
It's time for Uncle Joe to quit and support one of the three that has a chance.


I'm thinking he's destined to fail in New Hampshire too and probably Nevada. If he doesn't turn it around in South Caroline he's toast for sure. He doesn't have a lot of cash and a series of losses will put an end to him. He'll probably drop out soon after Bloomberg enters the fray.

At least that's what I'd like to see.
Posted by: Hamish Howl

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/07/20 09:21 PM

Oh, hey. This is interesting.

https://apnews.com/5232ce5601996c1de440806ad30fa4fb

Quote:
WASHINGTON (AP) — The little-known technology start-up under scrutiny after the meltdown of the Iowa Democratic caucuses on Monday was founded little more than a year ago by veterans of Hillary Clinton’s failed 2016 presidential campaign who had presented themselves as gurus of campaigning in the digital era.

Shadow Inc. was picked in secret by the Iowa Democratic Party after its leaders consulted with the Democratic National Committee on vetting vendors and security protocols for developing a phone app used to gather and tabulate the caucus results.
Posted by: Greger

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/07/20 09:33 PM

!
Shenanigans...?
!
Looks like shenanigans to me.

Can't trust the voters to make these important decisions!
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/07/20 10:31 PM

Turns out it was shenanigans. Trump trolls on 4chan posted the Iowa backup system phone number and their troll army flooded the reporting phone lines and then bragged about it on 4chan. The people answering the phones reported a sudden spike in phony calls and even obscene calls right after the phone number was posted. People may be prosecuted for this, since 4chan does keep logs and IP numbers of posters.

This could actually change 4chan if all these guys got probation that banned them from contact with 4chan!
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/08/20 12:40 AM

Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Turns out it was shenanigans. Trump trolls on 4chan posted the Iowa backup system phone number and their troll army flooded the reporting phone lines and then bragged about it on 4chan.


And people wonder why Dems want increased regulation.
Oh sure, let's just let these 4chan kiddies wreck our elections, who needs the Russians? It's "FREE SPEACH!"
Posted by: pondering_it_all

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/08/20 07:11 AM

I dropped in on 4chan/b to see what the kiddies are up to. There was one poster on there saying he was ordering as many cheap items as he could like clothes from China so he could get the corona virus. They tend to idolize school shooters, incest, pedophilia, and cuckoldry. Very strange place with gay bashing threads but lots of gay sex stories, racist threads but lots of admiration of Black sexuality.

The only good thing about it is that a significant number of posters want encouragement to kill themselves.
Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/08/20 03:46 PM

Shenanigans started with the Shadow app co, Developed by Buttigieg's top advisor's wife, Tara McGowan and having the app vetted 'Defending Digital Democracy' a security company/consultancy owned by Robby Mook, former Clinton campaign Director from 2016.

But yeah.... those rude 4chan trolls....
Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/08/20 03:47 PM

Does anyone know Iowa decided to scrap a perfectly fine tally system with a phone app?
Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/08/20 06:33 PM

Taibbi on the scene in Iowa. A good read

"No matter what result emerges, it’s likely many individual voters will not trust it. Between comical videos of apparently gamed coin-flips and the pooh-poohing reaction of party officials and pundits (a common theme was that “toxic conspiracy theories” about Iowa were the work of the Trumpian right and/or Russian bots), the overall impression was a clown show performance by a political establishment too bored to worry about the appearance of impartiality.

“Is it incompetence or corruption? That’s the big question,” asked Storey. “I’m not sure it matters. It could be both.”


Rolling Stone
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/08/20 06:53 PM

Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
I dropped in on 4chan/b to see what the kiddies are up to. There was one poster on there saying he was ordering as many cheap items as he could like clothes from China so he could get the corona virus. They tend to idolize school shooters, incest, pedophilia, and cuckoldry. Very strange place with gay bashing threads but lots of gay sex stories, racist threads but lots of admiration of Black sexuality.

The only good thing about it is that a significant number of posters want encouragement to kill themselves.


The problem is, it's a lot like a boil or any other "encapsulating" infectious pustule or abscess, at first it's painful and annoying but left untreated, it can spread or even morph into something much more dangerous. Some are MRSA, which of course can sometimes turn into necrotizing fasciitis, the so called "flesh eating bacteria".

Sites and forums like 4chan display the same vectors as these diseases, in that ignoring them can be quite dangerous to the larger host body if untreated.

Not advocating any big brother tactics, just warning that this stuff isn't much different than all the basements of America where morose and disaffected juniors of questionable mental status have always congregated in the past...only now they're all networked together, and so it seems, is their sense of purpose.

They're no longer "encapsulated"...they now have their own unique "lymphatic system" with which to spread their virii.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/08/20 06:59 PM

Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Shenanigans started with the Shadow app co, Developed by Buttigieg's top advisor's wife...

App made by Clinton campaign veterans’ firm is behind Iowa caucuses debacle

Hillary...AGAIN!!!

Hmm , coffee
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/08/20 07:02 PM

Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
...lots of admiration of Black sexuality.

Rightwingers are facisnated with BBC's for some reason. Hmm

SEE: Roger Stone

smile
Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/08/20 11:51 PM

“It’s June 26, the first night of the Democratic debates. But at a watch party at the Brixton bar, in Washington’s trendy U Street neighborhood, none of the Democrats are paying attention to the drama on the screen. Instead, they are circled around Tara McGowan, a weapon of a woman whose innovative tactics make her critically important to the Democratic Party … and the biggest threat to the orthodoxy that has made so many left-leaning digital gurus rich in the post-Obama era.”

Neoliberals.....
Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/08/20 11:53 PM

2016 redux Rick..

Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/09/20 03:21 AM

Clearly forty years of Republican conditioning has worked on the DNC establishment. I imagine they can hear Ronald Reagan in their heads instead of FDR.

Like I said, they're still "hanging their heads in shame" because someone dared to suggest the party should be more to the Left than the GOP.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/09/20 03:52 AM

I am rather fed up with hearing all the fearmongering by "moderates".

Hey, remember what happened to the public option?

Joe Lieberman, a MODERATE, told Obama he would vote to
KILL OFF the entire bill if there was a public option.

That's an article by Wendell Potter, who used to be a top CIGNA executive.

There's your so called "MODERATES".
They suck the life out of every goddamn thing that might help working families in America so that their CON buddies don't hate them.
Moderates....#&*(@@$!! another word for "spine made of wet ramen noodles".
Susan Collins is a "moderate" Republican.
Hard to tell the difference between a Susan Collins and a Joe Lieberman, or a Zell Miller.

So called "moderates"....their other trick was "running away from Obama".

Why? Because Obama was a socialist, too??

Do me a favor, moderates, go join the GOP.
With friends like you, who needs enemies?
It's time we took stock of what moderates have been costing the Democratic Party the last forty years.
Posted by: Greger

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/09/20 04:05 AM

Nothing wrong with "moderates". I consider myself a moderate socialist.
Social democracy is fine...but democratic socialism might be a step too far...
Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/09/20 04:33 AM

Former IDP chair Michael Kiernan
Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/09/20 06:51 PM

Huh....?!



Posted by: Greger

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/09/20 06:59 PM

I don't think there can be any question that the DNC and Clinton operatives are working hard to de-rail the Sanders candidacy.

What's interesting though is that they are working together. Clinton, who lost in 2008 and again in 2016 appears unable to bow out gracefully. If she can't BE the president then she wants control of who gets to RUN for president.

It's an ideology thing. I think Hillary Clinton should be the president right now. I think she would have been a fabulous president. But that's an alternate universe...we have Trump instead. Clinton was the easy way to transition into Scandinavian style social democracy.

We gotta do it the hard way now. If Clinton can't help, she needs to get out of the way. If the DNC fights the will of the voters too hard then they will lose again just like in 2016.

If the voters want a more moderate candidate fair and square then the time has not yet arrived for the transition.
Posted by: Greger

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/09/20 07:50 PM

Posted by: jgw

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/09/20 08:10 PM

If the Dems are doing what you say they are doing then they are doing a really piss poor job! That is unfortunate as I believe that Bernie cannot win against Trump. I am sure I have said this before but the Republicans will destroy Bernie. Remember, they did that to another presidential candidate and he was a genuine war hero!

Bernie just has too much baggage and his plan to force large companies, or any company that trades stock to give 20% of their worth to "the workers" is simply insane. That is, as far as I can tell one of the greatest job killing efforts anybody could have thought of! There are also other problems but that one sticks out for me. What I find completely strange is that the media, in its infinite wisdom has yet to even mention that one. All that being said Bernie has also turned into a serious eater of other candidates with inunendo, sly, and sometimes a bit silly. He just may have the capacity to lose all on his own. He, not unlike Trump, is making sure of his base and I am not convinced they are enough to let him win.
Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/10/20 01:09 AM

Originally Posted By: jgw
If the Dems are doing what you say they are doing then they are doing a really piss poor job! That is unfortunate as I believe that Bernie cannot win against Trump. I am sure I have said this before but the Republicans will destroy Bernie. Remember, they did that to another presidential candidate and he was a genuine war hero!

Bernie just has too much baggage and his plan to force large companies, or any company that trades stock to give 20% of their worth to "the workers" is simply insane. That is, as far as I can tell one of the greatest job killing efforts anybody could have thought of! There are also other problems but that one sticks out for me. What I find completely strange is that the media, in its infinite wisdom has yet to even mention that one. All that being said Bernie has also turned into a serious eater of other candidates with inunendo, sly, and sometimes a bit silly. He just may have the capacity to lose all on his own. He, not unlike Trump, is making sure of his base and I am not convinced they are enough to let him win.


“Prediction: if Sanders somehow manages to win the primary, a majority of the centrist pundits screaming “vote blue no matter who” at Bernie supporters right now will help amplify smear campaigns against him and undermine his campaign against Trump.”

The author of this quote was to conservative. They’ve already started before he’s even won the nomination.
Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/10/20 01:41 AM

Pete (Guaido) Buttegieg’s former campaign organizer has been hired by the Nevada Democratic Party as their ‘Vote Protection Director’.

My guess will be more hijinks in most every state. Those democracy loving Dems...
Anyone know if Nevada has paper backup?
Posted by: CPWILL

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/10/20 02:56 AM

Originally Posted By: Hamish Howl
Originally Posted By: jgw
This is, obviously, yet another example of the Democrats screwing it up bigtime. This morning it started out with a simple program problem and easily fixed. Now its become a serious coding problem. No telling where its going to go from there.

Its often said; "Democrats have a real talent for screwing it up". This can add a little humor but the outcome is slightly different. Every time they do something stupid, like this, voters have got to be wondering whether they should be in charge of gov. This time, for me, its a really important election to get rid of a bullying and budding American King. My hope is that they will think things through before having at it. Anybody with half a brain knows that before you install a new program you test the hell out of it. We are now told that their testing was putting it into operating 2 hours before use! <sigh>


America: Living proof of the Peter Principle.



Yup. Reason #2,947 why I don't think we should give these idiots power over any other parts of our lives.
Posted by: CPWILL

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/10/20 03:06 AM

Originally Posted By: jgw
If the Dems are doing what you say they are doing then they are doing a really piss poor job! That is unfortunate as I believe that Bernie cannot win against Trump. I am sure I have said this before but the Republicans will destroy Bernie. Remember, they did that to another presidential candidate and he was a genuine war hero!

Bernie just has too much baggage and his plan to force large companies, or any company that trades stock to give 20% of their worth to "the workers" is simply insane. That is, as far as I can tell one of the greatest job killing efforts anybody could have thought of! There are also other problems but that one sticks out for me. What I find completely strange is that the media, in its infinite wisdom has yet to even mention that one. All that being said Bernie has also turned into a serious eater of other candidates with inunendo, sly, and sometimes a bit silly. He just may have the capacity to lose all on his own. He, not unlike Trump, is making sure of his base and I am not convinced they are enough to let him win.


As a Conservative worried about the long-term trajectory of both the Democratic Party and the Country (though not in that order)....


...please, nominate Bernie Sanders. Should he lose to Trump, the damage he will do to the far-left wing within the Democrat Party will discredit them. Should he win, the damage he will do (though he will fail to achieve his ends - thank you, Founders) to the country could have similar impacts as Wilson did, a century before. A new Coolidge administration sounds wonderful.
Posted by: pdx rick

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/10/20 03:20 AM

Originally Posted By: CPWILL
As a Conservative worried about the long-term trajectory of both the Democratic Party and the Country (though not in that order)...

Dont worry your pretty little head about us. Just worry about your orange foundation wearing 75 year old "alpha male" who suffers from mini-strokes. Thanks. smile


Originally Posted By: CPWILL
..please, nominate Bernie Sanders. Should he lose to Trump, the damage he will do to the far-left wing within the Democrat Party will discredit them. Should he win, the damage he will do (though he will fail to achieve his ends - thank you, Founders) to the country could have similar impacts as Wilson did, a century before. A new Coolidge administration sounds wonderful.

Comparing Bernie to Wilson? Shirley, you jest. rolleyes , coffee

Any Dem would be an improvement on the current asinine clown show in the Oval Office. smile
Posted by: Hamish Howl

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/10/20 02:17 PM

Originally Posted By: CPWILL
Originally Posted By: jgw
If the Dems are doing what you say they are doing then they are doing a really piss poor job! That is unfortunate as I believe that Bernie cannot win against Trump. I am sure I have said this before but the Republicans will destroy Bernie. Remember, they did that to another presidential candidate and he was a genuine war hero!

Bernie just has too much baggage and his plan to force large companies, or any company that trades stock to give 20% of their worth to "the workers" is simply insane. That is, as far as I can tell one of the greatest job killing efforts anybody could have thought of! There are also other problems but that one sticks out for me. What I find completely strange is that the media, in its infinite wisdom has yet to even mention that one. All that being said Bernie has also turned into a serious eater of other candidates with inunendo, sly, and sometimes a bit silly. He just may have the capacity to lose all on his own. He, not unlike Trump, is making sure of his base and I am not convinced they are enough to let him win.


As a Conservative worried about the long-term trajectory of both the Democratic Party and the Country (though not in that order)....


...please, nominate Bernie Sanders. Should he lose to Trump, the damage he will do to the far-left wing within the Democrat Party will discredit them. Should he win, the damage he will do (though he will fail to achieve his ends - thank you, Founders) to the country could have similar impacts as Wilson did, a century before. A new Coolidge administration sounds wonderful.


Why on Earth would I want to damage the left wing of the party?

I am a member only because they are the nearest thing to even being somewhat left that has the funding to effectively run for high office.
Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/10/20 07:56 PM

Originally Posted By: CPWILL
A new Coolidge administration sounds wonderful.


Harding, Coolidge and Hoover, 1921 to 1933, twelve years of infinite largesse, corruption, self dealing and grinding inequality all of which led up to the Great Depression.
Yeah, wonderful.
The thing about Trump 2016 is, he has enshrined much if not all of that in just three and a half years.
The Depression led to a forty-seven year period of recovery and the liberal - - nay...Democratic Socialist - - New Deal.

So maybe this three and a half year trauma will wind up gifting us with another generation of something even more comprehensive, a New Deal 2021.

Go and talk to ANY kid born after around 1994 and see how many can point to anything that compares to the New Deal. Most of them don't even have anything at all good to say about capitalism at all, and with good reason.

We've pissed on the upcoming generation and we expect them to defend...defend WHAT?
Posted by: CPWILL

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/11/20 02:13 AM

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: CPWILL
As a Conservative worried about the long-term trajectory of both the Democratic Party and the Country (though not in that order)...

Dont worry your pretty little head about us. Just worry about your orange foundation wearing 75 year old "alpha male" who suffers from mini-strokes. Thanks. smile


That creature is NOT "mine". Trump is opposed to free trade, is weak on defense, and is a braggedly-libertine member of the sexual revolution. You can have him. laugh

But the Democratic Party is one of our two major parties, it's ebbs and flows will partly steer this nation, about whom I care deeply. If it has an opportunity to expunge or at least reduce the influence of the extremists from within its midst, I'm in favor of that.

Quote:
Originally Posted By: CPWILL
..please, nominate Bernie Sanders. Should he lose to Trump, the damage he will do to the far-left wing within the Democrat Party will discredit them. Should he win, the damage he will do (though he will fail to achieve his ends - thank you, Founders) to the country could have similar impacts as Wilson did, a century before. A new Coolidge administration sounds wonderful.

Comparing Bernie to Wilson? Shirley, you jest. rolleyes , coffee


Wilson probably had a lot more raw intelligence, to be fair. But, yes, overreach of government control of our lives produces backlash.

Quote:
Any Dem would be an improvement on the current asinine clown show in the Oval Office. smile


On that, tragically, I am much less sold, and cannot agree.
Posted by: Greger

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/11/20 04:24 AM

Quote:
That creature is NOT "mine".


Yes he is.

Your party had an opportunity to expunge or at least reduce the influence of the extremists from within its midst. As always they chose to double down.

And so you own Trump just like you owned the TEA Party extremists, like you own the neo-nazis and the Ku Klux Klan. Like you own the evangelicals and the anti-semites, the islamaphobes, the transphobes, and the collective phobias of the party of fear. The party of racism and hate.

It's all yours, partner. Now how do you intend to deal the plastic pollution, health insurance, the inequality problems and global climate change? What about poisonous tapwater? Remember when the Cuyahoga River caught fire in downtown Cleveland? We can be back there in a heartbeat.

One political party is looking at the future and trying to plan for it.

The other looks back at the past and longs for better days...Coolidge? Harding? Wilson? That's history, son, and it aint coming back.

What's coming is sea level rise, millions of climate refugees, collapsing fishing industries, collapsing agriculture, food shortages, pandemics and deaths numbering in the billions. Probably a nuclear war caused by American imperialism. And most definitely a global economic collapse. That one will be rolling around sooner than you think.

So yeah...I keep waiting to hear the conservative plan to mitigate all this...and I keep hearing crickets...and rumours that evangelicals plan to destroy the world because that's what the Bible says.

You either get outa that mess, or you stay in it. You're up to your ass in it CP and you own it lock, stock, and barrel.

These are your people.

Posted by: Jeffery J. Haas

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/11/20 05:58 AM

Originally Posted By: CPWILL


That creature is NOT "mine". Trump is opposed to free trade, is weak on defense, and is a braggedly-libertine member of the sexual revolution. You can have him. laugh


True, you are many things but a Trumper ain't one of them wink
I agree.

Originally Posted By: CPWILL

But the Democratic Party is one of our two major parties, it's ebbs and flows will partly steer this nation, about whom I care deeply. If it has an opportunity to expunge or at least reduce the influence of the extremists from within its midst, I'm in favor of that.


The biggest font of extremism is actually in the GOP House and Senate, especially the Senate, but you know that already.

Originally Posted By: CPWILL

Wilson probably had a lot more raw intelligence, to be fair. But, yes, overreach of government control of our lives produces backlash.


So does "deconstruction of the administrative state, fatal erosions of liberties, destruction of democracy, in particular open attacks on the electoral process, shall I go on?

Trump's excesses are closed end doomed for failure, failure of the Constitution as a whole, failure of democracy, ultimately failure of the republic. Republics that fall under singular unitary autocratic despotic rule cease being republics.
Sometimes the failure is so utterly total that even if an opposition candidate with a comparatively clean record wins with a vow to heal and repair, sometimes the damage is irrevocable and irreversible.

This is the case, the case right now. Not soon...NOW.
And that is not yours if you didn't vote for him, but it sure isn't ours either, it's Trump, it's all Trump, and the Trumpers.
Posted by: Greger

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/14/20 05:50 PM

Quote:
And that is not yours if you didn't vote for him, but it sure isn't ours either, it's Trump, it's all Trump, and the Trumpers.

Poppycock. Every republican owns this monster and the mess he's made.

A good portion of democrats also own it. The neoliberals and their supporters.

CP frets about government interference in our lives but has no qualms with corporate interference in government which, unlike the prosperity of the 10%, does indeed trickle down. Debt, ill health, hunger and disease trickle down. Destruction of safety nets trickle down.

All the while the firehose of debt re-distribution continues to blast all wealth upward to those who need it least.

It's class warfare at its finest. And it's led by conservatives of all stripes.
Posted by: chunkstyle

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/14/20 09:18 PM

Trump is all republican. He's pretty much following the familiar policies of austerity and tax cuts for the wealthy. His style of economic imperialism may break from the traditional managed trade deals but he's doing pretty much the same as either political faction has been doing for decades.

His sexual appetites may be on display more than the average conservative but at least he's more honest.

Whore houses do as well next to Democratic conventions as they do Republican ones or CPAC conventions.

Wasn't Dennis Hastert the conservative Republican standard bearer of the house not that long ago? Blocking the ERA amendments and bills barring discrimination against gays but had previously molested boys?

Our politics look more like the court of the Louis' in the run up to the revolution to me. Coservatives and Liberals are two different sides of the same coin for much of it.


Posted by: Greger

Re: Iowa caucuses fail dismally. - 02/14/20 09:43 PM

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Our politics look more like the court of the Louis' in the run up to the revolution to me. Coservatives and Liberals are two different sides of the same coin for much of it.


Heady times those!

Here's a little animation where you can see Lois LVIs head roll into the basket. Chunks, you might wanna stay for the second half since you worked a little while in the industry.