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#112666 - 05/24/09 10:44 PM Re: Libertarianism Makes You Stupid [Re: Greger]
issodhos Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Greger
That's where we often run in to trouble. Concerning rights
they might be legal rights, or human rights or civil rights, inherent rights, divine rights, inalienable rights, individual or collective rights, property rights or animal rights or even turns to starboard. Which brings to mind another right:
Red Right Return.
One of the most important of the Nautical Rights.


If you are really interested in the subject, Greger, perhaps you would prefer approaching the subject at its more basic level. Rights such as speech or religion, for example, are referred to as negative rights. They do not require that another be forced to provide them to you. Another form of rights that has been suggested, is positive rights. These would require others be mandated and, if necessary, forced to provide them for you. The Declaration of Human Rights is a mixture of the two. I consider positive rights to be, at best, nothing more than government granted privileges, and at worst violations of the rights of those who would be forced to provide such privileges.

Anyway, if you wish to look into the issue, that is where I would suggest you start.
Yours,
Issodhos
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#112667 - 05/24/09 10:51 PM Re: Libertarianism Makes You Stupid [Re: ]
issodhos Offline
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 Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
It is interesting, my friend, that when we accede to the wishes of the majority, granting some of our native autonomy to the interests of others, that we are deemed "zombies."


Other than numan's post what else are you basing this "zombie" claim on, NW Ponderer?
Yours,
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#112676 - 05/24/09 11:36 PM Re: Libertarianism Makes You Stupid [Re: issodhos]
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Good god, man, can't you leave it alone? The joke was about zombies. I didn't need any reference other than numan's. THTHPPLTHT!
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#112685 - 05/25/09 03:37 AM Re: Libertarianism Makes You Stupid [Re: ]
NW Ponderer Offline
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When pursuing a discussion of a philosophy, political or not, it is often a good idea to start with a frame of reference. Does this website, Libertarianism.com, adequately/accurately represent the libertarian viewpoint? Or, are we simply done with the discussion? Or...?
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#112691 - 05/25/09 11:24 AM Re: Libertarianism Makes You Stupid [Re: issodhos]
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 Quote:
Anyway, if you wish to look into the issue, that is where I would suggest you start.

Thank You, Issodhos, I'm really only just beginning to understand your philosophy but am willing to give it as much merit as any other worldview. We can't all agree with all philosophies or philosophers but that's no reason not to respect those different from our own.

Many here don't seem to see,
when arguing Philosophy,
each states beliefs not facts.
They want to win,
somehow to change,
the way the other acts.

Yours in rhyme and reason;)
Greger
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#112696 - 05/25/09 11:53 AM Re: Libertarianism Makes You Stupid [Re: ]
Schlack Offline
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Registered: 07/22/04
Posts: 9718
Loc: Ireland
 Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
THTHPPLTHT!


I know youre upset NWP, but theres no need for that kind of language (i belive its Klingon)
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#112701 - 05/25/09 01:18 PM Re: Libertarianism Makes You Stupid [Re: Schlack]
Ron G. Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Schlack
 Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
THTHPPLTHT!


I know youre upset NWP, but theres no need for that kind of language (i belive its Klingon)


Schlack, you Philistine! How could you be so lacking in sophistication as to think it was Klingon?

The semi-epithetical utterance by NWP was clearly in Billthecatian, an obscure and now extinct language once spoken only within the confines of Bloom County.
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#112746 - 05/25/09 08:56 PM Re: Libertarianism Makes You Stupid [Re: Ron G.]
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Ron, I am truly impressed by your divination of the source. Sometimes the breadth of knowledge found on this board is astounding. And here I thought it was truly obscure. Aack!
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#112761 - 05/25/09 10:04 PM Re: Libertarianism Makes You Stupid [Re: ]
loganrbt Offline
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Ah, Bloom County. And FarSide. I miss them.
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#112781 - 05/25/09 11:23 PM Re: Libertarianism Makes You Stupid [Re: loganrbt]
itstarted Offline
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Registered: 01/27/03
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Loc: Florida/Illinois
 Quote:
THTHPPLTHT!

... perhaps a comment by Joe Btfsplk?

my memories go back a little further...
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