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#120640 - 07/23/09 03:58 PM Obama Needs a Move to the Middle
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Obama Needs a Move to the Middle
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By Michael J. Boskin

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On the budget and spending, he should try pilot programs to test his ideas. If they work at sensible cost, he will get broad support to expand them. The health-care bill should be refocused on leveling the tax-subsidy playing field so individuals can purchase low-cost, high-deductible, catastrophic insurance. The costly climate change bill (which Mr. Obama’s own EPA administrator admitted would have virtually no impact on the climate) should be scrapped in favor of a broad-based, transparent carbon tax, energy-efficiency initiatives, and the much needed expansion of our domestic oil and gas production.

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Mr. Obama should ignore the pressure from the left of his party and the economically illiterate Beltway pundits scoring short-term political wins and losses. He should recall that the Clinton presidency was saved from itself by the defeat of HillaryCare and its big spending agenda. It would be wildly popular as well as prudent for Mr. Obama to pivot to a more centrist policy program to prevent permanent, irreversible economic damage.
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#120651 - 07/23/09 07:50 PM Re: Obama Needs a Move to the Middle [Re: SkyHawk]
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There may be some truth in the article... although I does seem to me that the editorial advice of the WSj for all presidents is "Move to the right"


Edited by Ardy (07/23/09 08:00 PM)
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#120657 - 07/23/09 08:47 PM Re: Obama Needs a Move to the Middle [Re: SkyHawk]
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Why should Obama ignore those on the left? Should he also ignore those on the right? Why are those in the muddle, er middle, the only ones to listen to?

Obama, and the entire political class is so far right that we stand alone in the world and have built national greed as our motto.

Screw the moderates, screw the right, full speed to the left!
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#120659 - 07/23/09 09:01 PM Re: Obama Needs a Move to the Middle [Re: Phil Hoskins]
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Amen Brother!
Seems to me they've all had their turns for years and years now.
We're going backwards. Hasn't anybody noticed?
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#120660 - 07/23/09 09:11 PM Re: Obama Needs a Move to the Middle [Re: olyve]
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I'd be happy if the folks in Washington would stop shooting up Corporate juice. But, junkies are junkies. However, our Washington junkies have a huge stash...a very huge stash.

The party is still on...despite suggestions elsewhere that it's over.
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#120688 - 07/24/09 01:09 AM Re: Obama Needs a Move to the Middle [Re: AustinRanter]
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President Obama needs to move more to the middle...from what? The Right? So far, President Obama's White House has done a lot of the very same things that the former GW Bush Whitehouse did.
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#120689 - 07/24/09 01:11 AM Re: Obama Needs a Move to the Middle [Re: Phil Hoskins]
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 Originally Posted By: Phil Hoskins
Obama, and the entire political class is so far right that we stand alone in the world and have built national greed as our motto.

...as I said quite often on that conservative site: This too shall pass for you.
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#120691 - 07/24/09 01:15 AM Re: Obama Needs a Move to the Middle [Re: olyve]
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 Originally Posted By: Phil Hoskins
Screw the moderates, screw the right, full speed to the left!

If the rudder is turned full left, you end up doing 360s...

 Originally Posted By: olyve
Amen Brother!
Seems to me they've all had their turns for years and years now.
We're going backwards. Hasn't anybody noticed?

That's what the majority of Americans want...
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#120696 - 07/24/09 01:28 AM Re: Obama Needs a Move to the Middle [Re: Ardy]
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 Originally Posted By: Ardy
There may be some truth in the article... although I does seem to me that the editorial advice of the WSj for all presidents is "Move to the right"


The WSJ was, and is, a major mouthpiece for the neoconservative movement. That probably makes it problematic when trying to decide what they consider to be the 'left' and what they consider to be the 'right'.:-)
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Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States of America, and which supports using American economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries.[1][2][3] In economics, unlike traditional conservatives neoconservatives are generally comfortable with a minimally-bureaucratic welfare state; and, while generally supportive of free markets, they are willing to interfere for overriding social purposes.[4]

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"New" conservatives initially approached this view from the political left. The forerunners of neoconservatism were most often socialists or sometimes liberals who strongly supported the Allied cause in World War II, and who were influenced by the Great Depression-era ideas of the New Deal, trade unionism, and Trotskyism, particularly those who followed the political ideas of Max Shachtman.[citation needed] A number of future neoconservatives, such as Jeane Kirkpatrick,[citation needed] were Shachtmanites in their youth; some were later involved with Social Democrats USA.[citation needed]

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#120702 - 07/24/09 02:01 AM Re: Obama Needs a Move to the Middle [Re: issodhos]
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Issodhos, bravo!

Except for one thing...in the last couple of decades the neocons switched their welfare state template to the corporate community and the wealthy elite.

Other than that spot on...neocons are failed Fabians and Trotskyites.

And as for my humble opinion, the whole concept is hypocritical.
How can the term NEO apply to CONSERVATISM at all, it's a contradiction in terms like jumbo shrimp.

Neoconservatism is the "New Coke" of political philosophies.
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