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#133310 - 11/24/09 02:18 PM Re: What do you know about India? [Re: itstarted]
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I have worked with many Indians over my years in high tech, all but one were very nice people. In my opinion they are the world leader in polite.

my experience too...
you've done your homework.


I worked for Ondian companies for a few years, have Indian friends, and have visited India a couple of times.

It is a little interesting to read the quick takes on this complicated topic.

Regarding Indian politeness.... there are a few points to keep in mind here. The Indians that we typically run into in the USA are the cream of the cream. Also, these workers are reacting to us as their customers in a customer is always right sort of context. Beyond that, there is a built in sort of resentment/deference dynamic for whites, their former colonial masters. I can assure you that if you actually worked for an Indian comapny, you might well have a different exposure to their attitudes.

Here is one story....
While I was visitning India for work, I went out for drinks in the evening with some colleagues. We had a driver (which is common). Upon arriving, the driver was told to wait for us, we would be back at about 10 pm. The driver looked uncomfortable. He had not had a chance to tell his familiy that he would be late. Anyway, along about 10:45, I was getting nervous because I knew we had told the driver to wait till 10pm. I thought at least we should send someone to update him on our plans. When I suggested this idea.... my colleague laughed dissmissively.... He said something like.... "Don't worry about it, he's a f'ing driver, it's his job to wait for us."

Another guy I worked for collected the passports of his employees.... just to make sure they would not run away and join another company. We routinely invented projects to fill out a resume with the experience required to get a technical job.




Edited by Ardy (11/24/09 02:21 PM)
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#133318 - 11/24/09 03:53 PM Re: What do you know about India? [Re: Ardy]
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It might also be worth mentioning that India was the site of one of the worst, if not the worst, unnatural (man-made) non-military disasters in history - the Union Carbide "incident" at Bhopal.

It might also be mentioned that arrest warrants are still pending for the then-CEO of Union Carbide, Warren Anderson, and abandoned chemicals at the site still contaminate the drinking water.

This by way of saying that Americans and American corporations may be viewed with some distrust in some parts of India like, oh, Bhopal.

Or maybe not.
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#133320 - 11/24/09 04:21 PM Re: What do you know about India? [Re: Mellowicious]
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 Originally Posted By: Mellowicious
It might also be worth mentioning that India was the site of one of the worst, if not the worst, unnatural (man-made) non-military disasters in history - the Union Carbide "incident" at Bhopal.

It might also be mentioned that arrest warrants are still pending for the then-CEO of Union Carbide, Warren Anderson, and abandoned chemicals at the site still contaminate the drinking water.

This by way of saying that Americans and American corporations may be viewed with some distrust in some parts of India like, oh, Bhopal.

Or maybe not.


Seems I remember seeing something about sabotage, which is why Union Carbide's CEO has never been prosecuted.
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#133321 - 11/24/09 04:26 PM Re: What do you know about India? [Re: Ardy]
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 Originally Posted By: Ardy
 Originally Posted By: itstarted
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I have worked with many Indians over my years in high tech, all but one were very nice people. In my opinion they are the world leader in polite.

my experience too...
you've done your homework.


I worked for Ondian companies for a few years, have Indian friends, and have visited India a couple of times.

It is a little interesting to read the quick takes on this complicated topic.

Regarding Indian politeness.... there are a few points to keep in mind here. The Indians that we typically run into in the USA are the cream of the cream. Also, these workers are reacting to us as their customers in a customer is always right sort of context. Beyond that, there is a built in sort of resentment/deference dynamic for whites, their former colonial masters. I can assure you that if you actually worked for an Indian comapny, you might well have a different exposure to their attitudes.

Here is one story....
While I was visitning India for work, I went out for drinks in the evening with some colleagues. We had a driver (which is common). Upon arriving, the driver was told to wait for us, we would be back at about 10 pm. The driver looked uncomfortable. He had not had a chance to tell his familiy that he would be late. Anyway, along about 10:45, I was getting nervous because I knew we had told the driver to wait till 10pm. I thought at least we should send someone to update him on our plans. When I suggested this idea.... my colleague laughed dissmissively.... He said something like.... "Don't worry about it, he's a f'ing driver, it's his job to wait for us."

Another guy I worked for collected the passports of his employees.... just to make sure they would not run away and join another company. We routinely invented projects to fill out a resume with the experience required to get a technical job.




The whole polite thing does not translate to the Indian on Indian interaction.
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#133326 - 11/24/09 06:12 PM Re: What do you know about India? [Re: Ma_Republican]
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Granted wiki is not a final source, their article does contain further links.

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In December 1985 the New York Times reported that according to UCIL plant managers the hypothesis of this route of entry of water was tested in the presence of the Central Bureau Investigators and was found to be negative.[16] UCC also maintains that this route was not possible, and that it was an act of sabotage by a "disgruntled worker" who introduced water directly into the tank.[17] However, the company's investigation team found no evidence of the necessary connection.[18]
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#133329 - 11/24/09 07:20 PM Re: What do you know about India? [Re: Mellowicious]
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In the IT world, with a Fortune 500 company, having many experiences with folks from India is unavoidable. 10-15 years ago, it would have been all about East Asians.

Almost completely these experiences have been very good. I currently work with 8-10 contractors who continually educate me on IT and culture. I've seen enough to have long wondered when we will be contracting for their companies rather than the other way around. I told a couple of my managers today, based on these experiences, I feel like I could and would like to visit Indiam and feel like it would be a very comfortable visit.
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#133383 - 11/25/09 08:16 PM Re: What do you know about India? [Re: Mellowicious]
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 Originally Posted By: Mellowicious
It might also be worth mentioning that India was the site of one of the worst, if not the worst, unnatural (man-made) non-military disasters in history - the Union Carbide "incident" at Bhopal.

It might also be mentioned that arrest warrants are still pending for the then-CEO of Union Carbide, Warren Anderson, and abandoned chemicals at the site still contaminate the drinking water.

This by way of saying that Americans and American corporations may be viewed with some distrust in some parts of India like, oh, Bhopal.

Or maybe not.


Most resentment towards foriegn companies is related to the indian preference that internal sales and development be done through Indian companies.

The fact that the Bhpal diaster involved Union Carbide should lead one to conclude that Indian companies are necessarily more safety conscious than, for instance, Chinese companies.

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India retains position among the world's most corrupt nations
times of india

By the way, my comments are not intended as a generalized criticism of India or it's citizens. I have also met many wonderful and briliiant Indians. I was simply pointing out that many of the opinions expressed on this thread are stereotypes based upon very limited information.
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#133499 - 11/27/09 11:26 AM Re: What do you know about India? [Re: Ardy]
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Thought some of you might be interested in this TED talk.
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Devdutt Pattanaik takes an eye-opening look at the myths of India and of the West -- and shows how these two fundamentally different sets of beliefs about God, death and heaven help us consistently misunderstand one another.


Pattanaik's work is, in part, to help Westerners adapt their methods when working in India - to deal with a business process that may read "Step 1, Step 2, Step 3 (maybe)."

Worth a listen, I think.


Edited by Mellowicious (11/27/09 11:27 AM)
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