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#180434 - 05/01/11 02:19 PM Re: Times Tough for Energy Overhaul [Re: issodhos]
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Originally Posted By: issodhos
Originally Posted By: logtroll
The authorization of gasoline tax revenues for mass transit guideways does not necessarily result in those revenues being expended on mass transit, even though the taxing entities had concluded that such expenditures would be a net benefit to the transportation system.

Thank you Iss, for letting me have fun with that. coffee

I would suggest that you thank Doug, logtroll. He is the one providing this forum for us and he is the one that has extended an open invitation to us to rant -- or to simply post their "mass transit-R-Us" talking points.

I have nothing against mass transit. When living in cities, especially in Europe, and on relatively small islands, I had no need for a car and was content to use buses, trains, and subways. Where I now live, a vehicle of my own is the best choice. My post was in response to an article that failed to point out that mass transit supporters are already picking the pocket of the highway user. If one wishes to, one can conduct research to determine how much highways are subsidized by general funds (taking into account that highways were also a part of U.S. defense strategy, and calculating how much increased economic activity was generated by the increased accessibility of areas) and raise the gas tax accordingly. In the meantime, have mass-transit systems charge a fare that fully covers the operations and maintenance of the system, and tack on a bit more to build a fund for future expansion. Think that would ever happen, logtroll?
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P.s. Or mass-transit systems that rely on buses can be scrapped and private bus companies could be left alone to provide the service.

Iss, you initiated this thread... I assumed that meant you had an interest in discussing issues relating to an "energy overhaul". I think maybe your real intention was to bait folks into laying out some ideas so that you could snipe at them. I don't have a problem with that so long as we aren't penalized for sniping back! wink

I disagree on your characterization of investing some of the gas taxes on mass transit as "picking the pocket of highway users". Are you unable to comprehend any set of relationships beyond the most simple-minded cause/effect calculus? I suspect you have the intelligence to discuss ideas rationally, you just aren't motivated to do anything but diss and snipe on this forum. Why is that?

As I indicated, more efficient transportation systems -- be they road-centric or rail, or hydroplane -- have the potential to affect the road hogs in more cost effective ways than just mindlessly using gas taxes for building more roads. coffee
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#180460 - 05/01/11 05:58 PM Re: Times Tough for Energy Overhaul [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
I disagree on your characterization of investing some of the gas taxes on mass transit as "picking the pocket of highway users".
Well, of course you do, logtroll. By all appearances you're one of the crowd that wants to do the picking.;-)
Yours,
Issodhos
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#180464 - 05/01/11 06:13 PM Re: Times Tough for Energy Overhaul [Re: issodhos]
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Originally Posted By: issodhos
Originally Posted By: logtroll
I disagree on your characterization of investing some of the gas taxes on mass transit as "picking the pocket of highway users".
Well, of course you do, logtroll. By all appearances you're one of the crowd that wants to do the picking.;-)
Yours,
Issodhos


Which is just another way for you to say that you oppose government expenditures for any purpose other than what you accept as "necessary."
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#180481 - 05/01/11 07:10 PM Re: Times Tough for Energy Overhaul [Re: issodhos]
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Originally Posted By: issodhos
Originally Posted By: logtroll
I disagree on your characterization of investing some of the gas taxes on mass transit as "picking the pocket of highway users".
Well, of course you do, logtroll. By all appearances you're one of the crowd that wants to do the picking.;-)
Yours,
Issodhos


Sorry, dude, I rejected your pickpocket analogy.

Here's what I am... a pragmatic (I know you are itching to try and flip that word into oblivion) businessman practicing adaptive management through investment planning, looking at projected shifts in the costs and supply of raw materials and anticipating market shifts so's not to be caught flat-footed from being too focused on maximizing next quarter profits. Diversification, man, that's cool. cool

The pick pocket picture you are prickishly painting, can also be described as an accident victim hallucinating that the paramedics are trying to mug him. But we all know that's just the amygdala talking. wink

(Rick, I need "two points" smiley and a nose-picking smiley... can you do it?)


Edited by logtroll (05/01/11 07:16 PM)
Edit Reason: question for rick
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#180482 - 05/01/11 07:15 PM Re: Times Tough for Energy Overhaul [Re: Ardy]
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Originally Posted By: issodhos
Originally Posted By: logtroll
I disagree on your characterization of investing some of the gas taxes on mass transit as "picking the pocket of highway users".
Well, of course you do, logtroll. By all appearances you're one of the crowd that wants to do the picking.;-)
Yours,
Issodhos


Which is just another way for you to say that you oppose government expenditures for any purpose other than what you accept as "necessary."

Which is just another way for you to attempt to justify taking a gas tax meant for use on highways and instead shifting part of it into masss-transit. If a city wants mass transit, have its residents taxed for it, or -- and I know this will shock practical considerationists and those too greedy to put 25 cents back into mass transit -- leave it to private bus companies, taxi companies, and others to provide it without interference from city hall on what their fares will be or when, where, and whom they serve.
Yours,
Issodhos
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#180484 - 05/01/11 07:27 PM Re: Times Tough for Energy Overhaul [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
Originally Posted By: issodhos
Originally Posted By: logtroll
I disagree on your characterization of investing some of the gas taxes on mass transit as "picking the pocket of highway users".
Well, of course you do, logtroll. By all appearances you're one of the crowd that wants to do the picking.;-)
Yours,
Issodhos


Sorry, dude, I rejected your pickpocket analogy.
And I should be surprised? I suspect Bernie Madoff would reject the Ponzi scheme analogy.:-)
As to the balance of your posting, I too have long felt that the best business and life plan in our times is one of flexibility. Of course, I also prefer succinctness to verbosity (its a conservation of resources thingie, don'cha know:-)).
Yours,
Issodhos
P.s. If the verbage you used is any indication of the little project you have going, maybe it ain't so little after all. gobsmacked
Yours,
Issodhos
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#180488 - 05/01/11 07:43 PM Re: Times Tough for Energy Overhaul [Re: issodhos]
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Originally Posted By: issodhos
Originally Posted By: logtroll
Originally Posted By: issodhos
Originally Posted By: logtroll
I disagree on your characterization of investing some of the gas taxes on mass transit as "picking the pocket of highway users".
Well, of course you do, logtroll. By all appearances you're one of the crowd that wants to do the picking.;-)
Yours,
Issodhos


Sorry, dude, I rejected your pickpocket analogy.
And I should be surprised? I suspect Bernie Madoff would reject the Ponzi scheme analogy.:-)
As to the balance of your posting, I too have long felt that the best business and life plan in our times is one of flexibility. Of course, I also prefer succinctness to verbosity (its a conservation of resources thingie, don'cha know:-)).
Yours,
Issodhos
P.s. If the verbage you used is any indication of the little project you have going, maybe it ain't so little after all. gobsmacked
Yours,
Issodhos


Yeehaw! I tetched a nerve!

I described at length elsewhere and at other times my big thing. Must I continually repeat myself because of your inability to keep track of every important thing I say?

You are the one who suggested that I have a little thing going... you describe it, pleez! (remember, children might be reading this)

And if gas buyers don't want to pay a tax, they can just not buy gas, by Gawd! Then the cheap selfish antimasstransportationalists will be wanting fitty-cent rides on the Socialist Line. cool
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#180490 - 05/01/11 07:47 PM Re: Times Tough for Energy Overhaul [Re: issodhos]
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By the way, why ain't you got an Avatar, Iss?

I picture you like the leetle guy on the Monopoly box -- monocle, cigarette holder, spats...

Really, you should consider it. ThumbsUp
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#180493 - 05/01/11 08:02 PM Re: Times Tough for Energy Overhaul [Re: logtroll]
issodhos Offline
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
By the way, why ain't you got an Avatar, Iss?

I picture you like the leetle guy on the Monopoly box -- monocle, cigarette holder, spats...

Really, you should consider it. ThumbsUp

Or perhaps the fellow on Planters Peanuts jars? LOL
Yours,
Issodhos
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#180495 - 05/01/11 08:14 PM Re: Times Tough for Energy Overhaul [Re: issodhos]
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Am I mixing accoutrements betwixt sales characters?

Might as well add a tophat and cane while we're at it, and a brush moustache.

laugh
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