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#199851 - 11/11/11 08:14 PM Re: None of the Above [Re: Sandune]
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Though it is often a fruitless endeavor to attempt to bring non-Believers around to the True Faith, one must try. There is very little to debate when one rejects the obvious Truth of the Almighty's existence and the unerring Truth of his Word. Just as it is impossible to debate someone who denies the unconditional supremacy of the Individual and the complete Evil that is the Statist Collective.

It's heartening to see that all seem quite open and content about enjoying their own type of tripe. Being True to one's own convictions and tastes makes happiness oh so much easier.


Edited by Irked (11/11/11 08:16 PM)
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#199868 - 11/11/11 10:11 PM Re: None of the Above [Re: Sandune]
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Irked, I've been there and tried out your True Faith. Maybe if I had been kept away from books and grand opera I might have stayed with the church. I wandered off precisely because of my unconditional supremacy of the individual but without evil that seems to flow easily from your words. To me the Statist Collective may be the most dangerous entity of wisdom ever created. I spend many hours searching out the source of this one size fits all kind of government. I learned bigotry, homophobia and racism from the Christians in my own family. I learned that dating a nice Jewish boy kept me off the lists of parties even in Santa Monica. I learned of the shame of my rape at the age of 12 and I could never tell anyone because Christian Girls do not get raped.

I learned all about the Inquisitions in Europe from the books and operas and I cried with them all. The History books are filled with the dangers of escaping Satan. Satan would have no reason to want me, I was tainted at 12. I was fascinated by Jesus Christ and sent my girls to a Christian school until 7th grade. I wanted them yo know the story of Jesus and then their education could really begin.

I saw a single message from the Christian groups and they taught to watch out for the Monster God. Hell and Damnation was not necessary when the kids learned right from wrong. We love all living things without the fear of Satan.

My convictions are very strong and I have never taken the easy road to happiness. My dream was to live in a library with a pool close by. I've done my time with terminal patients and girls in trouble. I've taken in a couple of teenager girls and gotten them through high school. You need your God as do millions of others but my groups are growing very fast and we can see the mess the churches have left us. Leave the children alone!

You cannot sell your God to me but thanks for trying.
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#199878 - 11/12/11 12:56 AM Re: None of the Above [Re: Irked]
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Though it is often a fruitless endeavor to attempt to bring non-Believers around to the True Faith, one must try.

You've certainly done your best, friend Irked, but some simply are not buying the Green Tripe you are trying to sell.
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#199888 - 11/12/11 01:58 AM Re: None of the Above [Re: Sandune]
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Such is life, Greger. One most learn that not all will see and be fine with that, knowing that one has done what one could.
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#199911 - 11/12/11 12:15 PM Re: None of the Above [Re: Irked]
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Because I have not gotten into a spiritual vision of life after death has not tainted my sorry soul in the least. Many of us have deep feelings that if anything we are responsible for the welfare of others. I've looked into the eyes and hearts of many humans to see if there is a smattering of love and responsibility and found so little that I determined we are indeed on our own here on earth. Because my mind is open in all phases of human behavior, I have simply eliminated the superstitions and occult fears that seem to possess others.

I absolutely believe that the world has seen many of what I call "Ideal" people who make their lives available to show the virtue of right over wrong and Jesus Christ is one of that group. But over the years I have seen the Monster designed by the people trying to make a glorious man into a monster of terrorism. I wanted no part of that in my family. This fear of the monster has now gotten into the Republican Party and removed my own visions of a government based on logic, reason and law is now washed away by the Evangelical plan of saving America as a Christian nation.

There were very few here at Reader Rant who understood the base of the Bush campaign that came straight from Pat Robertson. I spoke out and was dumped and banned.

I can only look back at the Republican National Committee under the leadership of evangelicals to confirm my fears were straight-on correct. This movement has destroyed the basic individual freedoms from many Americans. Diversity had one hell of as fight in America and under the pressure of the White Supremacy Churches, has been labeled as the movement from hell.

None of this is shocking to me except it has happened many times before on earth. I'm reading a series of books on South American tribes who self destructed when they got carried away trying to please their Gods. Some of our oldest monuments in South America are dedicated to the death of literally generations of the native members. The powerful fear of the unknown will drive even Americans back to the Inquisition's of old Europe. I read these threats right here on Reader Rant. We are too quick to call in the federal government to tell us what not to do. The Christians have their hands around abortion believing that the government can stop the procedure. The plan is to ban gay marriages as if this will stop the practice. Now the call is out to make a federal law against child abuse. Apparently Christians are unable to take control of this most horrible action and will run to Big Daddy to stop it.

I'm a victim of a rape by my mother's husband. It took me years to figure out the fact that I knew what alcohol did to my family and I should be aware of any sign of violence. It was the end of the war and the curfew was still in Santa Monica and instead of my walking home to my grandmother's home, I visited my mother as I had a key.

I was on the tennis team at school and my mind was on the bruises I would have to expose when I returned. For years I had thought that had I had my tennis racket with me, that SOB would not have been so aggressive. That's all gone and to me the problem was the alcohol. My stepfather came after my mother a year later and I sent after him. All I had was my ukulele and nailed him with it. It put him in the hospital and my grandmother bought me a huge guitar and told me the next time, kill him. He ran like hell and we never saw him again. He visited me years later looking for money. I showed him the door and that was it. Years later we learned that somebody killed him in an alley in Pasadena.

The federal government has no business in any family problem. The people have the responsibility but for some reason refuse to protect our children. The revolution must start with us.

I cannot be frightened of hell and damnation because I've been there, done that. BTW all my kids are armed and dangerous.
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#199916 - 11/12/11 03:36 PM Re: None of the Above [Re: Sandune]
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There were very few here at Reader Rant who understood the base of the Bush campaign that came straight from Pat Robertson. I spoke out and was dumped and banned.

I didn't really learn to despise President Bush until the Iraqi invasion. I voted against him of course. Religious fervor has no place in politics. I never really believed he was much of a Christian anyway, and he proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was not a "compassionate conservative" either. But he pandered to the Christian Right in order to keep electing Republicans to the house and Senate. By 2006 their behavior had become so scandalous and un-Christian that most of America began to see through the ruse.

Sandy, you got banned for insulting other posters, not for your beliefs.
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#199919 - 11/12/11 04:43 PM Re: None of the Above [Re: Sandune]
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Greger, you were not here in 1999 unless you used another name. I used another name only once here and I outed myself in a few months. The forum took on a head honcho and she was also booted when Doug came back. I have stated over and over than I certainly will never try to close a single church. My musicians played in several churches in San Luis Obispo but when this strange religious tries to change the Constitution, I will try to stop it. Bush 43 did exactly as I warned. He banned gay marriages, all abortions and of course death with dignity. God told him to do this. You must remember when the Teri Schaivo case hit the state of Florida and Bush tried to use the Supreme Court to keep this vegetable alive. God told him to do that too! He actually made my organization famous and we passed the law in Oregon. The Conservatives are using the government to kill off Islam. Sorry but that is not on my want list.

He made it into the White House but many of us were worried about what he would do next. Millions of tax dollars were handed out to the churches was a start. 911 followed and it took several years before anyone in the government would investigate whether Bush knew it was coming. We still don't know and we never will because he is till hiding behind his God. Look at that line up of Conservatives and tell me Bush has no influence. Christians are running the GOP.

The only way to take responsibility for who we put into office is to study BEFORE THE ELECTION! If you were here then, why didn't you speak up? He lowered the standards of every Republican I worked with. He destroyed the reputation of America and I will never forgive him.
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#199924 - 11/12/11 05:14 PM Re: None of the Above [Re: Sandune]
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No, I wasn't here in 1999, Sandy, but I know the history of this website.
The Bush election over Gore made all the Anti Clinton crowd ecstatic! For a little while. Then everyone realized how poorly prepared he was to be President. But Republicans, as usual, got the government they wanted and the government they deserved. The rest of American deserved better though.
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#199972 - 11/12/11 09:19 PM Re: None of the Above [Re: Sandune]
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Only one small correction, Greger. Bush wasn't elected, he was installed. wink
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#199973 - 11/12/11 09:33 PM Re: None of the Above [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Only one small correction, Greger. Bush wasn't elected, he was installed. wink
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