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#209205 - 01/17/12 12:14 PM
Too many guns???
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old hand
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(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000. (B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000. (C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171 Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health and Human Services. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now think about this: Guns (A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. (Yes, that's 80 million) (B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups is 1,500. (C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188 Statistics courtesy of FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, doctors do.' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT Almost everyone has at least one doctor. This means you are over 9,000 times more likely to be killed by a doctor as by a gun owner!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!!!!! Out of concern for the public at large, we withheld the statistics on lawyers For fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention! (A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000. (B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000. (C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171 Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health and Human Services.   
Edited by Ma_Republican (01/17/12 12:20 PM)
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#209209 - 01/17/12 12:38 PM
Re: Too many guns???
[Re: Ma_Republican]
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old hand
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What about cat owners. How do they figure in to all this?
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#209210 - 01/17/12 12:42 PM
Re: Too many guns???
[Re: Ma_Republican]
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' (A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, doctors do.'
I've known that for years. That is why I avoid the butchers with their poisons and knives like the plague [oops!]. Perhaps the solution is to gather all the "doctors" and all the gun-owners together for one big party, with plenty of booze flowing -- particularly for the gun-owners. · · 
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#209214 - 01/17/12 01:04 PM
Re: Too many guns???
[Re: Ma_Republican]
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stranger
Registered: 09/06/11
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Loc: Great State of PA.
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(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000. (B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000. (C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171 Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health and Human Services.
Makes one wonder why is it that the United States spends more on medical care per person than any country when there are so many deaths caused by the American health care system and its incompetent physicians.
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#209217 - 01/17/12 01:23 PM
Re: Too many guns???
[Re: Bill Cravener]
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' Makes one wonder why is it that the United States spends more on medical care per person than any country when there are so many deaths caused by the American health care system and its incompetent physicians.
Yes, indeed, I wonder about that, too. How refreshing to find another American who is also capable of wondering about the obvious. I have some opinions on the matter, and those opinions should be obvious. However, I will not go into them, since some people will insist that I waste my time scurrying around the internet to gather articles supporting obvious facts which, I suspect are, in fact, already obvious to them.
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#209218 - 01/17/12 01:26 PM
Re: Too many guns???
[Re: Bill Cravener]
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old hand
Registered: 04/25/10
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Loc: New Mexico (not old Mexico)
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Sometimes meaningless statistics and nonsequiturs can be so much fun!
Other times...
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#209224 - 01/17/12 02:04 PM
Re: Too many guns???
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old hand
Registered: 02/12/04
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Loc: USA
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Sometimes meaningless statistics and nonsequiturs can be so much fun!
Other times... Yeah, I agree, It's all fun and games until your doctor kills you. That always pisses me off.
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#209228 - 01/17/12 02:21 PM
Re: Too many guns???
[Re: Ma_Republican]
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stranger
Registered: 07/09/07
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"(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. (Yes, that's 80 million)" ...extract from post What's interesting about this number is it's the last stat I read on how many Americans are on antidepressants. / : | I know one thing for sure, if and when our societal construct collapses America is going to go out as an extended, our worst ever, uber noisy, 4th of July night 'celebration'. OUCH! With reference to the 120,000 physician related deaths, there's another statistic that raises the death toll towards 300,000 per annum due to hospital errors in terms of nurses adminstering the wrong medication to inpatients, deadlier infections related to extended hospital stays etc.; I.E., MRSA et al. which requires the hospitals to isolate recovering patients in quarantine from the general population. The most dangerous place to visit or have a stay of either a short or lengthy nature is a hospital complex. http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/080401_mrsaCarl Nemo **==
Edited by Carl Nemo (01/17/12 02:49 PM)
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#209229 - 01/17/12 02:26 PM
Re: Too many guns???
[Re: Ma_Republican]
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old hand
Registered: 04/25/10
Posts: 4938
Loc: New Mexico (not old Mexico)
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Sometimes meaningless statistics and nonsequiturs can be so much fun!
Other times... Yeah, I agree, It's all fun and games until your doctor kills you. That always pisses me off. Apparently Docs don't use guns to kill patients, else the gun death stats would be higher.
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#209230 - 01/17/12 02:29 PM
Re: Too many guns???
[Re: Ma_Republican]
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Registered: 07/29/04
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how many armed physicians are out there? what about those statistics?
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#209242 - 01/17/12 04:49 PM
Re: Too many guns???
[Re: Carl Nemo]
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' With reference to the 120,000 physician related deaths, there's another statistic that raises the death toll towards 300,000 per annum due to hospital errors in terms of nurses adminstering the wrong medication to inpatients, deadlier infections related to extended hospital stays etc.; I.E., MRSA et al. which requires the hospitals to isolate recovering patients in quarantine from the general population. The most dangerous place to visit or have a stay of either a short or lengthy nature is a hospital complex.
Well, look on the bright side. If people with extended illnesses die in hospital, medical insurance is saved a bundle and the "service" becomes more efficient -- at passing on dividends to the owners of of the insurance companies. So, everything works out for the best. It's almost as if it had been planned that way ..... Anyway, people with guns will never be able to compete with the medical system in terms of bumping off people.
Edited by numan (01/17/12 04:52 PM)
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#209270 - 01/17/12 08:13 PM
Re: Too many guns???
[Re: Ma_Republican]
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journeyman
Registered: 04/19/11
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Maybe I ought to swap my physicians for guns ! >Mech
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#209282 - 01/17/12 09:10 PM
Re: Too many guns???
[Re: Mechanic]
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Maybe I ought to swap my physicians for guns ! >Mech Perhaps we need to look at this a different way. How many lives do guns save every year? If you have pneumonia, don't call a doctor, buy a gun. Think you might have cancer? Buy a gun. Broken arm? Buy a gun. Or just call a gun owner.
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#209286 - 01/17/12 10:03 PM
Re: Too many guns???
[Re: Bill Cravener]
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(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000. (B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000. (C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171 Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health and Human Services.
Makes one wonder why is it that the United States spends more on medical care per person than any country when there are so many deaths caused by the American health care system and its incompetent physicians. Indeed If we simply outlawed all medical care in this country, think how many lives would be saved!
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#209288 - 01/17/12 10:06 PM
Re: Too many guns???
[Re: Mechanic]
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Maybe I ought to swap my physicians for guns ! >Mech I think that you are onto something there, Mech!
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#209323 - 01/18/12 08:34 AM
Re: Too many guns???
[Re: Ma_Republican]
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old hand
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gee i always wonder why some folks think it is so cute to regurgitate stuff like this so for all your laughing thingies Urban Legends/deaths caused by physicians when ignorance strikes
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#209374 - 01/18/12 02:40 PM
Re: Too many guns???
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' Rporter, you post that link as if it were a refutation, but it isn't. If we simply outlawed all medical care in this country, think how many lives would be saved!
Though you post that as sarcasm, I think there is more truth in it than you would care to realize. I would merely replace the word "all" by the word "much".
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#209378 - 01/18/12 02:50 PM
Re: Too many guns???
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enthusiast
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It is not medical care that needs to be eliminated, but, rather, Government controlled medical care. If Government was removed from the equation, the Market would, naturally, remove incompetent doctors and hospitals. Today, the Government conspires to hide, coddle and protect bad health care through the support of multilayered certification systems.
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#209396 - 01/18/12 04:02 PM
Re: Too many guns???
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'  If Government was removed from the equation, the Market would, naturally, remove incompetent doctors and hospitals.
Oh, that is funny, Irked!!
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#209420 - 01/18/12 07:30 PM
Re: Too many guns???
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It's not so much that it is fun to play with statistics, it is far more fun to mislead with statistics. Not only are doctors not designed to kill, how often are they used to deliberately harm? According to the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) in 2008, 303,880 victims of violent crimes stated that they faced an offender with a firearm.
Incidents involving a firearm represented 7% of the 5.1 million violent crimes of rape and sexual assault, robbery, and aggravated and simple assault in 2008.
The FBI's Crime in the United States estimated that 68% of the 16,929 murders in 2007 were committed with firearms.
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#209469 - 01/19/12 03:11 AM
Re: Too many guns???
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Stay back, this doctors loaded and I aint afraid to use 'em
Edited by Schlack (01/19/12 03:11 AM)
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#209478 - 01/19/12 09:19 AM
Re: Too many guns???
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Stay back, this doctors loaded and I aint afraid to use 'em put that doctor down and back against the wall or ill have to shoot you with this orthodontist.
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#209498 - 01/19/12 12:02 PM
Re: Too many guns???
[Re: Ma_Republican]
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I am always concerned about loaded doctors...
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#209503 - 01/19/12 12:24 PM
Re: Too many guns???
[Re: Ma_Republican]
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I am so glad to see that a thread that begins with silliness continues in that vein. Most refreshing.
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#209554 - 01/19/12 03:57 PM
Re: Too many guns???
[Re: NW Ponderer]
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' Not only are doctors not designed to kill, how often are they used to deliberately harm?
NWP, I will not ask you to provide citations to suppport that assertion, which, in my opinion, is not only debatable, but quite false. I do wonder, however, that you assert it so confidently, without considering all the possibilities. In my opinion, the medical schools, the American Medical Association, Big Pharma, and government regulations DO design doctors to kill. I hope, Churl, that you find that sufficiently amusing.
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#209585 - 01/19/12 07:43 PM
Re: Too many guns???
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Yes, numan, it's a really silly statement. I find it amusing on one level and abhorrent on all the other levels.
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