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#209472 - 01/19/12 11:25 AM Re: Wiki - 24 hour blackout [Re: Ozymanithrax]
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Does this mean that lawmakers can be influenced by the desires of the people or simply that internet giants like Google have, for now, trumped the entertainment industry?
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#209477 - 01/19/12 02:18 PM Re: Wiki - 24 hour blackout [Re: Schlack]
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Originally Posted By: Schlack
The computer game industry has a piracy beating model that doesnt require extensive and restrictive legislation.

Valve, through their Steam digital distribution service have beaten piracy for their games, with the simple expedient of providing excellent service - making it as easy to purchase a game as to pirate it.

on another note, valve released their intellectual property, in the form of the development tools for their games for free. resulting in a huge modding community and fanbase building significant brand loyalty. Now they are literally printing their own money.

contrast this with games companies who have implemeneted restrictive digital rights mechansims that punish only those who purchase the games, e.g. limited installs of a game on the same computer, always online verification while playing, crapware like securom csintalled on your pc that prevents the use of virtual drives etc.

it seems to me, then, that the entertainment industry is applying old models to a new technology and crying foul when those models don't work for them. seems they should take a cue from the more tech savvy newbies who are actually building the industry from the ground up.
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#209481 - 01/19/12 03:21 PM Re: Wiki - 24 hour blackout [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Does this mean that lawmakers can be influenced by the desires of the people or simply that internet giants like Google have, for now, trumped the entertainment industry?

I think this shows that an industry willing to protest and milions of Americans willing to call their representatives and tell them "NO!" can work.
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#209507 - 01/19/12 05:34 PM Re: Wiki - 24 hour blackout [Re: itstarted]
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The future looks rosy to me. The day will come when no movies are made, no television shows with creative content are produced, no new books will be published, no music will be created. We will never know if my daughter who has talent coming out of her ears writing-wise will become a best-selling author. We will never know whether my cousin, who is an avid song-writer, will ever become well-known. We will spend the rest of our lives watching reruns of Sex in the City, Seinfeld, My Mother the Car, Mr. Ed, Car 54, Where Are You?, etc.

Why? Because no one will pay for anything, which means that the starving artist will become an accountant, the aspiring novelist will become a tech writer, the astoundingly good director will end up directing commercials which no one will see because there is nothing to sell commercials for.

Be careful what you wish for, since you seem to be getting it.
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#209508 - 01/19/12 05:45 PM Re: Wiki - 24 hour blackout [Re: Ted Remington]
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Originally Posted By: churlpat lives
...starving artist...

What part of 'starving artist' does Hollywood not understand? How many fine-dining dinners can one enjoy? How much botox? How many face-lifts? How many homes? How "blinged-out" should nursery's be? How many exotic/luxury cars? How much jet-setting around the world?

Was Charlie Sheen really worth $250,000 per episode? The show is still #1 without him.
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#209511 - 01/19/12 05:56 PM Re: Wiki - 24 hour blackout [Re: Ted Remington]
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Mother Jones overview on the results.

One little bit of this entire subject has been overlooked. The fact is, that laws exist for the patent protection that the entertainment industry is looking for. Their problem is that the legal redress would initially be expensive, but then this same problem that anyone who holds a patent faces.

Very simply, plaintiffs can sue. As in the case with earlier contested peer to peer music sharing websites, legal action caused them to be shut down. For a short time, a follow up triggered a sudden drop in piracy. The fact that the injured companies chose not to defend their rights, allowed piracy to re-emerge.

International laws exist for patent protection.

Legal expenses are a necessary cost for any industry. In the same manner as the influence/lobby money is an expense, it is more costly to use existing law to insure the same results. By the same logic, influence monies are less expensive than actual legal action , in every industry.

The slippery slope eventually ends with corruption and an a "purchased" government.

This aspect doesn't seem to get much attention.

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#209513 - 01/19/12 06:00 PM Re: Wiki - 24 hour blackout [Re: itstarted]
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Originally Posted By: itstarted
...laws exist for the patent protection that the entertainment industry is looking for. Their problem is that the legal redress would initially be expensive, but then this same problem that anyone who holds a patent faces.

Very simply, plaintiffs can sue. As in the case with earlier contested peer to peer music sharing websites, legal action caused them to be shut down, and for a short time, a follow up triggered a sudden drop in piracy.

International laws exist for these specif reasons for patent protection.

Legal expenses are a necessary cost for any industry. In the same manner as the influence/lobby money is an expense, it is more costly to use existing law to insure the same results. By the same logic, influence monies are less expensive than actual legal action , in every industry.

The slippery slope eventually ends with corruption and an a "purchased" government.

This aspect doesn't seem to get much attention.

'"Purchased" government' aka lobbyists is discussed a lot. It's just that voters - in a split second - forgive their elected official at the ballot box. Voters ought not be so forgiving.
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#209514 - 01/19/12 06:02 PM Re: Wiki - 24 hour blackout [Re: pdx rick]
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Many artists feel that "piracy" is good advertising. In a sense it's no different from passing around a favorite book to all your friends. Purchased once, read many times by many people. Or passing around a favorite record. Most "records" sold these days are in digital format only. A buck a copy. Or send the file to your friends. Libraries provide a format where readers can borrow books for free, no different from getting them free online. The re-recording of music has been common since the first casettes and reel to reel tape recorders were available.
So...
This is nothing new and has not stopped artists from writing new books nor has it slowed down the production of movies. In fact it seems that more movies are being produced now than ever before. Movies used to be seen only in theaters, then occasionally broadcast later on TV. Now there is a huge industry selling recorded copies of the movies. A certain amount of piracy will never slow the crowds at the theaters nor prevent the production of new movies. In fact many who originally pay to see movies then get a copy of it to view again later. Sometimes they buy it, sometimes they grab it online if they can't find or afford a copy.
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#209519 - 01/19/12 06:37 PM Re: Wiki - 24 hour blackout [Re: Greger]
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My only comment:

You said:

"Sometimes they buy it, sometimes they grab it online if they can't find or afford a copy."

Would you feel the same way if a person walked into a store and picked up a bottle of wine and walked out without paying because they could not or would not afford it?

Taking property, whether it is tangible or intangible, without paying for it, is theft. There really is no other word to describe it.
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#209523 - 01/19/12 06:53 PM Re: Wiki - 24 hour blackout [Re: Ted Remington]
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Churl is right about theft being theft.

Gregor, quite a few new bands and musicians give away music for free to build a fan base. If they choose to give it away, it isn't piracy, it is part of the business model of an emerging business.

We can come up with ways to protect intellectual property rights without giving the Internet to a few large multinational corporations to use for their benefit.
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