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When I first looked at the title of this thread, what immediately went through my mind was, "Welcome to the United States."

Shows the way my mind works. · ·

Oh, delusive American optimism!!
What people need to learn is that sometimes there are no reasonable solutions -- sometimes there are no solutions at all !!
The rot has gone so far that there is no solution to America's ills within the present Constitutional system. When people finally learn this very simple lesson, then some of the serious problems of America may be solved -- certainly not until then.


We don't always get what we want.

oh look, numan is contributing to the solution again.

Here are some proposed solutions (links to follow) - community banking, sustainable agriculture/urban farming, microbanking and microinvestment, Glass-Steagall redux, mutual insurance, renewable energy.

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Yes, of course I am -- and have :

http://readerrant.capitolhillblue.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=198985#Post198985


These programs are all admirable in themselves, but they will always be sabotaged by your rulers as soon as they show any real possibility of making any fundamental change to the American System of Misrule.

You are laboring under the ridiculous delusion, disproved over and over again, that you -- or anyone other than the Oligarchs -- have any substantial power under the present system of government in America.

Numan~Your post of:


You are delusional yourself, if you think that the United States of America is the only country suffering under oligarchy. We are just not so subtle about it, as we are newer at it than the Europeans, Asians and Middle Easterners(I may have missed a region or two). Money has always been the force that makes the world go 'round, ever since Man found shiny pebbles. Governments and their leaders have risen and fallen, but the theme is always the same, Gather as much money, land and power as possible so that one can control the populace. There are sometimes other minor factors, like bullying, bribery or just outright violence, but the end game is the same. Sometimes we(the populace) just deal with it in slightly different ways.

whine, whine, whine.... If you can't contribute to the solution (and you're not), sit down, be quiet, and don't get in the way!

Some links that now follow:
RE: microbanking and microinvestment
Micro Loans, Solid Returns - BusinessWeek e.g. Microplace.com; Kiva
Cambrian House - crowdsourcing

Growing Power - sustainable agriculture/urban farming; Edible Forest Gardens; Plant an Edible Forest Garden; Permaculture Institute

community banking: New Rules Project; Independent Community Bankers of America

What is exciting about these initiatives, and why pooh-poohing is a weak and indefensible position, is that they are local and sustainable. If we want solutions, they clearly are not going to come from the top.

We support local in everyway we can. It is my belief that local is and will be the solution to many issues. As individuals we have become disconnected from the nation in many ways. We are more cognizant of who we are and how our behavior directly affects others when we support everyone locally.

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Whine, whine, whine yourself, NWP.
Yes, studiously ignore the contributions I have already made

http://readerrant.capitolhillblue.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=198985#Post198985

and, because I do not agree with you, shout at me to shut up.

Continue in this vein, and some people might begin to think that your persona of sweet reasonableness is but a hollow shell.

Your magnanimity knows no bounds.

We have been struck dumb not by being in awe of your perspicacity, but because we are having trouble holding our lunches down. It is truly indicative of the idiocies you espouse that in that entire thread you ended up talking to yourself 99+ percent of the time because no one else had the slightest care to try to debate your ideas. Why? Perhaps because of the quote just above. Your megalomania does not allow you to enter into true debate, only into waving your little flag and talking about how awe-inspiring your mind is. Make some sense and perhaps people will talk about your ideas. But when you throw out nonsense such as you did in that thread you will get no takers. There is empirical evidence to support this because no one wanted to talk with you or debate with you about your ideas, which only you seem to have been so awe-inspiring as to project dumbness on those who read them.