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#216120 - 03/13/12 12:11 PM Dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant
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Rick Santorum: ‘The dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant’

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Rick Santorum told attendees at the Gulf Coast Energy Summit in Biloxi, Mississippi, on Monday to trust his judgment on the environment, highlighting his position on climate change—that is, that it's a liberal myth.
"The dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant, how dangerous carbon dioxide is," Santorum said, according to the Associated Press.
Santorum sharpened his tone on the energy issue as the country's surging gas prices have come into focus.
"I didn't change as the climate changed," Santorum said. "I stood tall. Now the climate has changed and everyone's for drilling now. But understand that when times were tough, they were not and I was."
As he did last month, Santorum positioned himself as the only candidate in the GOP field that stands polar opposite of Obama on energy, calling global warming a "hoax."
On Saturday, an op-ed penned by Santorum was published on RedState.com, explaining his position in more detail.
"The Washington Establishment would rather fight global warming than fight for American jobs," Santorum wrote. "President Obama and his administration have decided to wage war against global warming and thus against the American worker. ... Those living on or near the Gulf Coast in particular know the impact these extreme environmental positions can have on the region's economy."


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Is it just me or is this complete nonsense?
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#216124 - 03/13/12 12:27 PM Re: Dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant [Re: Greger]
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YES! let's elect this guy and take the plunge off the cliff into oblivion once and for all. and while we're on the way down, we can play rock, paper scissors for the most ignorant schmuck in the world. frankly, i think santorum would win, even in a game of chance. after all, games of chance require little to no intelligence or logic. you just shove your fist out there and let it happen. sort of like his mouth. he just shoves it out there lets whatever comes out of it fly. yeah, president santorum. kinda sounds dirty in a pornography sort of way. hmmmmm.
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#216125 - 03/13/12 12:31 PM Re: Dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant [Re: Greger]
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Clearly Mr. Santorum doesn't understand the CO2 is toxic to humans. Plants thrive on the stuff.
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#216126 - 03/13/12 12:35 PM Re: Dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant [Re: Greger]
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That might be the best line of the 2012 campaign.
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#216131 - 03/13/12 12:58 PM Re: Dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant [Re: Greger]
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Actually, CO2 is an absolute requirement for human respiration. Without CO2 your body will "forget" to breathe on its own, since it is an increased level of CO2 in the blood stream that triggers respiration.

Santorum's desire to talk to matter in a vegetative state is well-paired with the current Republican Party. One would think he would have learned from the Schiavo disaster, when he tried to subpoena a brain-dead body to testify before his Senate subcommittee.
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#216137 - 03/13/12 01:46 PM Re: Dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant [Re: Ted Remington]
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From the article:

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"The Washington Establishment would rather fight global warming than fight for American jobs," Santorum wrote. "President Obama and his administration have decided to wage war against global warming and thus against the American worker. ... Those living on or near the Gulf Coast in particular know the impact these extreme environmental positions can have on the region's economy."


Yes, like what happened with BP, and all those jobs/businesses ended created with the oil slick? rolleyes

And it is an exchange with CO2. We humans emit CO2, which the plants absorb and they give oxygen, which we breathe. It is like a symbiotic relationship.
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#216170 - 03/13/12 04:11 PM Re: Dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant [Re: california rick]
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the stats are atmo co2 is 390 ppmv
lethal concentration is 100k ppmv (30 minutes)

which would require a dramatic change in atmo which has not been predicted nor addressed by climatologists as far as I know

I suspect what santorum and other conservatives confuse is the contribution of co2 to global warming v deleterious effect on humans ... gee not the same but anyone who makes statements to that effect clearly does not understand any of the science or is being disingenuous
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#216177 - 03/13/12 04:27 PM Re: Dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant [Re: Greger]
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No danger, hunh?
New theory: CO2 makes you fat

That doesn't even adress global warming.
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#216180 - 03/13/12 04:37 PM Re: Dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant [Re: Ted Remington]
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Originally Posted By: Ted Remington
... Without CO2 your body will "forget" to breathe on its own, since it is an increased level of CO2 in the blood stream that triggers respiration...

This here is Santorum's Achilles heel on the subject. See, more CO2 causes heavy breathing, which is undoubtedly the work of Satan in promoting casual sex. Santorum is now in a Catch-22 where he's agin low CO2 levels, which makes him for heavy breathing, which makes him for rampant and uncontrolled sex activity. He could blow a gasket when the snake bites its tail on this one!
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#216206 - 03/13/12 07:53 PM Re: Dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant [Re: Ozymanithrax]
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Originally Posted By: Ozymanithrax
No danger, hunh?
New theory: CO2 makes you fat

That doesn't even adress global warming.


There's a guy in Vegas who is the keeper of the swans at the lake in front of one of the casinos. He has to weigh them every day because of their concerns over this possibility, and he has discovered that he can win at Keno by using the numbers (in kg) of the fattest swans. Yes. Obese Swan Keno Bets.
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#216230 - 03/13/12 10:23 PM Re: Dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant [Re: Ted Remington]
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Originally Posted By: Ted Remington
Actually, CO2 is an absolute requirement for human respiration. Without CO2 your body will "forget" to breathe on its own...

No, you "breathe" to expel the toxin. wink CO2 is a waste by-product of cellular respiration and glycolysis. Look at any Kreb Cycle chart.

- or -

One can conduct this experiment:

Place your vehicle in your garage (...if it's not already there). Start the engine. Close the garage door. Get back into your vehicle. Roll ALL windows down. Breathe deeply for several minutes.

Report back to me the result(s) of the above experiment.
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#216232 - 03/13/12 10:25 PM Re: Dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant [Re: Ozymanithrax]
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Originally Posted By: Ozymanithrax

No, it's the Girl Scout cookies which we all just ate which makes us fat. wink
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#216241 - 03/13/12 11:53 PM Re: Dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant [Re: california rick]
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Rick, a car exhaust is primarly Carbon Monoxide. However, if ysomeone will place a plastic bag over thier head and ducttape it around their neck, they could still perform your experiment.
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#216243 - 03/14/12 02:46 AM Re: Dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant [Re: california rick]
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Originally Posted By: california rick
Originally Posted By: Ted Remington
Actually, CO2 is an absolute requirement for human respiration. Without CO2 your body will "forget" to breathe on its own...

No, you "breathe" to expel the toxin. wink CO2 is a waste by-product of cellular respiration and glycolysis. Look at any Kreb Cycle chart.

- or -

One can conduct this experiment:

Place your vehicle in your garage (...if it's not already there). Start the engine. Close the garage door. Get back into your vehicle. Roll ALL windows down. Breathe deeply for several minutes.

Report back to me the result(s) of the above experiment.


Actually, it's a combination of both. When you have used up the oxygen in the last breath you take, the level of CO2 triggers you to expel that CO2-laden air and draw in a new breath full of O2.

You can conduct another experiment-breathe in deeply, and hold your breath. Let me know how long you can do this with out breathing in.
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#216244 - 03/14/12 02:48 AM Re: Dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant [Re: california rick]
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Originally Posted By: california rick
Originally Posted By: Ozymanithrax

No, it's the Girl Scout cookies which we all just ate which makes us fat. wink


You must use moderation in your Girl Scout cookie consumption, Grasshopper! grin
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#216257 - 03/14/12 09:20 AM Re: Dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant [Re: california rick]
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Originally Posted By: california rick
Originally Posted By: Ted Remington
Actually, CO2 is an absolute requirement for human respiration. Without CO2 your body will "forget" to breathe on its own...

No, you "breathe" to expel the toxin. wink CO2 is a waste by-product of cellular respiration and glycolysis. Look at any Kreb Cycle chart.

- or -

One can conduct this experiment:

Place your vehicle in your garage (...if it's not already there). Start the engine. Close the garage door. Get back into your vehicle. Roll ALL windows down. Breathe deeply for several minutes.

Report back to me the result(s) of the above experiment.


Rick:

When one breathes in CO, it replaces the O2 in the bloodstream because hemoglobin has a 230 times higher affinity for CO than it does for O2. This means that the body "thinks" it is getting plenty of O2 when it is not. One of the characteristics of CO poisoning is that the blood is very red, even in the veins, because the CO bond to hemoglobin is so strong. CO2 in the bloodstream changes the pH of the blood, which is monitored by the medulla oblangata. When pH levels increase (which happens by definition when CO2 level rises in the blood stream the medulla triggers increased respiration.

But when the blood is saturated with CO there is no O2 to metabolize so CO2 levels do not rise. Then there is no increase in respiration.

Therefore you won't breathe to expel the toxin because there is none in the bloodstream. As I said, CO2 is an absolute requirement for human respiration.

See in general the articles on CO poisoning and an control of respiration in wiki.



Edited by Ted Remington (03/14/12 09:21 AM)
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#216261 - 03/14/12 09:34 AM Re: Dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant [Re: Ted Remington]
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Ted, it's explanations like that which creates Republican voters. I mean, which is easier to understand, the complexities of O2 and CO2 exchange and how all that works in plants and animals or "Tell that to a plant?" Plus, "Tell that to a plant" will fit on a bumper sticker,it can easily be remembered, and is very useful in ending any meaningful and substantive discussion with a member of a reality-based community.

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#216266 - 03/14/12 09:48 AM Re: Dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant [Re: Chuck Howard]
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Mea culpa. Which is not something you are going to hear one of the Republican candidates saying in the South, mind you. He used Latin, he must be one o' them closet mackerel snappers.
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#216294 - 03/14/12 12:30 PM Re: Dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant [Re: Ted Remington]
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Perhaps Rick Santorum is a “medical gardener.”

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CO2 is an odorless, invisible, and non-flammable gas. It is also safe for humans in the maximum concentrations recommended for plant growth. The average level of CO2 in the atmosphere is about 300 PPM (parts per million). If the level decreases down below 200 PPM in an enclosed growing area, plant growth slows to a halt. Through the years of testing and research, the optimum enrichment level of CO2 for plant growth has been agreed to be about 1500 PPM. With CO2 enrichment, under good conditions, plant growth rates and flowering will increase 20-100%. CO2 can be used from seedling right through harvest.


Here is a handy calculator to determine your CO2 needs provided by these fine folk:

Get your grow on
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#216305 - 03/14/12 02:44 PM Re: Dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant [Re: Greger]
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I am pleased that we are on our way to making this planet a paradise for plants.

That the attendent global heating will make it a hell-hole for humans, in comparison, is obviously a mere detail.
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#216360 - 03/14/12 10:51 PM Re: Dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant [Re: numan]
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Originally Posted By: numan
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I am pleased that we are on our way to making this planet a paradise for plants.

That the attendent global heating will make it a hell-hole for humans, in comparison, is obviously a mere detail.

Actually plants provide the oxygen we humans need. We exhale CO2, the plant takes the CO2 and by photosynthesis produces oxygen as a by-product. Very symbiotic relationship. smile
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#216369 - 03/15/12 05:09 AM Re: Dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant [Re: Greger]
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A high level of CO2 in your blood stream is what stimulates you to take a breath, but there is no minimum level of CO2 in the atmosphere that would foil that mechanism: CO2 in our atmosphere is about 100 times less concentrated than the CO2 your body exhales in each breath. You manufacture that CO2 through respiration ("burning sugar" to make ATP).

When you go to a high elevation, the CO2 level your body makes in your blood and exhalations is the same as at sea level (completely dependent on your activity level). The problem is that the air you inhale has a lower partial pressure of oxygen in it, so the breathing frequency controlled by your CO2 build-up doesn't get you enough oxygen. You have to compensate for that by "remembering to breathe" more than your body would naturally.

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