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#217081 - 03/20/12 12:29 AM Re: Madness is not the reason for this massacre [Re: california rick]
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Originally Posted By: california rick
...just want to point out that everywhere else in the world, it is being reported that "up to 20" soldiers participated in the massacre. Only media in the U.S. is saying one soldier:




if 20 US soldiers armed with our most modern weaponry.... go on a rampage... and only are able to kill 16 unarmed sleeping women and children.... it certainly provides some explanation of why we have had such difficulty making progress in Afghanistan...


One does have to wonder at the egregious incapacity of today's soldier when it is so readily accepted as fact that that one soldier would be so obviously incapable of killing 16 people when an untrained wacko with inferior weaponry was able to kill 32 people in West Virginia

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The Virginia Tech massacre was a school shooting that took place on April 16, 2007, on the campus of Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University in Blacksburg, Virginia, United States. In two separate attacks, approximately two hours apart, the perpetrator, Seung-Hui Cho, killed 32 people and wounded 25 others[1] before committing suicide.
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#217082 - 03/20/12 12:45 AM Re: Madness is not the reason for this massacre [Re: california rick]
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And?

...those evil-doers, the Taliban, have broken off "negotiations" with the U.S. I wonder what was being "negotiated?" I thought it was official U.S. policy not to "negotiate" with terra-ists. Hmm



Rick
Apparently you have been so fixated on the idea that there is no difference between democrats and republicans, that you have failed to take note of the following... which also happened to be one of the key issues in that last presidential campaign.

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US Policy Change: Negotiate with Terrorists;
Obama Seeks Direct Talks with Taliban
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#217083 - 03/20/12 12:50 AM Re: Madness is not the reason for this massacre [Re: Schlack]
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Thanks for the update on the negotiating with the terra-ists thingy, Ardy. I was more fixated on the Republican War Criminal and the outrage by Democrats, and the Democrat War Criminal, and lack thereof, by Democrats.
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#217085 - 03/20/12 01:05 AM Re: Madness is not the reason for this massacre [Re: california rick]
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Who's really to know? The U.S. refused cooperation. coffee



Interesting link that you provided....
it seems only to mention a single soldier... even when it discusses what the villagers told Karzai....

It does seem a bit odd that those villagers that were attacked did not notice the other 19 soldiers participating in that rampage?


........


A further point of interest
I went looking for some confirmation of the 20 soldiers rampage story on Aljezerra.... and did not find the story there... but then AJ has seemed a little western dominated recently


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#217086 - 03/20/12 01:19 AM Re: Madness is not the reason for this massacre [Re: california rick]
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Rick if you are going to call Obama a war criminal you need to provide evidence and links.
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#217087 - 03/20/12 01:59 AM Re: Madness is not the reason for this massacre [Re: Schlack]
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You're not aware of the C-I-C's actions in Afghanistan and resulting deaths and, of course, Libya and that result.

In regard to Afghanistan, Ralph Nadar says:

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“Barack Obama is committing the same crimes [as Bush and Cheney], in fact worse ones in Afghanistan. Innocents are being slaughtered, we’re creating more enemies, he’s violating international law, he’s not constitutionally authorized to do what he’s doing, he’s using State secrets, he’s engaging in illegal surveillance, the CIA is running wild without any kind of circumsribed legal standards or disclosure . . . why don’t we say what’s on the minds of many legal experts; that the Obama administration is committing war crimes and if Bush should have been impeached, Obama should be impeached.”

Ralph isn't too right-wing for the deniers, is he? coffee
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#217088 - 03/20/12 02:53 AM Re: Madness is not the reason for this massacre [Re: california rick]
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Ralph Nader is and has long been a nut job.

Obama has not violated international law in any way I know of and broad generalizations are the stock in trade of paulistas and people who don't like Obama and just spout crap as though it meant something.

Try again rick. No pass on this nonsense.
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#217089 - 03/20/12 03:11 AM Re: Madness is not the reason for this massacre [Re: Phil Hoskins]
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Obama has not violated international law in any way I know of


In any case, Violating international law does not by itself make a person a war criminal... starting a war does not make a person a war criminal, and continuing an existing war does not make a person a war criminal. The deaths of "innocent people" during a war also does not make a person a war criminal

The term " war criminal" is typically reserved for leaders who pursue policies which inflict massive avoidable deaths of innocent civilians as part of a policy where the deaths of massive numbers of innocent civilians constitute an intentional component of war strategy
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#217090 - 03/20/12 03:23 AM Re: Madness is not the reason for this massacre [Re: Schlack]
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Salon.com says otherwise - they too must be "nutty" because of the inconvenient truth regarding Mr. Obama's "Doctrine?"

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Muammar Gaddafi’s barbaric murder on October 20, 2011 was a war crime. It violated the Third Geneva Convention of 1929 and it violated the UN Security Council Resolution #1973 of 2011.

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So when did American presidents and secretaries of state stop caring entirely about international law?

So when did most of America, in fact, stop caring entirely about international law?


The laughable irony is that Mr. Obama is a Constitutional professor.

George W. Bush is a war criminal, albeit one that will never be indicted for his crimes.

Why?

Because he’s being protected by President Barack Obama. Unfortunately for Obama refusing to investigate allegations of torture is a war crime, according to both the Geneva Conventions and the Convention Against Torture. Instead of steering the nation toward the rule of law, Obama has announced “This is a time for reflection, not retribution.”
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#217091 - 03/20/12 05:21 AM Re: Madness is not the reason for this massacre [Re: Phil Hoskins]
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Obama has not violated international law


you mean apart from all that stuff he did? Hell forget international law (a complete fiction or at best, victor's justice) he's broken so many US laws.

Would you really like me to list all of this nobel peace prize winners war criminal accomplishments? In this regard you couldn't get a slip of paper between him and bush. The role of imperial administrator demands it.

A simple search of this very forum will dig up ample proof.

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