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#219019 - 04/04/12 08:02 PM Re: GAO: Nat. Debt Would Skyrocket If No Obamacare [Re: NW Ponderer]
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blatant mischaracterization

i ask the question of what criteria was used and invariably i get deflection, for the obvious reason there is no criteria, but for conservatives they have to fire up their folks

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the current GOP solution

i was most interested in the republicans repeal alternative when in subcommittee and when asked they responded with the state solution and you pointed out, it is a bleak prospect.

I am not sure simply medicare even as fairly successful program would qualify as the solution. Medicare is currently nothing more than a reactive response to rising health care costs. A more aggressive approach I believe would be better. Without capping health care costs, they will continue to rise and insurance premiums will follow predictably. ACA addresses some of these problems. A recent article stated that 9 medical boards have suggested that there are 45 tests or procedures which could be eliminated as unnecessary and that some 80% of doctors routinely order unnecessary tests but that is just the tip of the iceberg of costs. As new medical technologies come online the commensurate costs continue to rise. Hospital costs rise and physician costs rise, so what are we to do?

O gee wait a sec ... doesn;t ACA address these? A first attempt at a solution. A good solution will of necessity address all of these problems and more both aggressively and comprehensively.
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#219021 - 04/04/12 08:37 PM Re: GAO: Nat. Debt Would Skyrocket If No Obamacare [Re: rporter314]
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If the individual mandate was not a Republican idea, then Newt Gingrich is not a Republican.

Newt's support of the individul mandate

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#219024 - 04/04/12 09:20 PM Re: GAO: Nat. Debt Would Skyrocket If No Obamacare [Re: Chuck Howard]
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Originally Posted By: Chuck Howard
If the individual mandate was not a Republican idea, then Newt Gingrich is not a Republican.

Newt's support of the individul mandate

it's not wonder republicans hate the media so much. everything they say and do is recorded somewhere, just waiting to come back and bite them in the arse.
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#219064 - 04/05/12 01:02 PM Re: GAO: Nat. Debt Would Skyrocket If No Obamacare [Re: Phil Hoskins]
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Ma???? Where is your evidence?

(not holding my breath)
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#219068 - 04/05/12 01:11 PM Re: GAO: Nat. Debt Would Skyrocket If No Obamacare [Re: Phil Hoskins]
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Originally Posted By: Phil Hoskins
Ma???? Where is your evidence?

(not holding my breath)


Please, please don't hold your breath. We all enjoy your participation on this board to risk you dying of asphyxiation.

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#219070 - 04/05/12 01:15 PM Re: GAO: Nat. Debt Would Skyrocket If No Obamacare [Re: Phil Hoskins]
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Originally Posted By: Phil Hoskins
Ma???? Where is your evidence?

(not holding my breath)


Phil, he's probably looking for that evidence right now!

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#219075 - 04/05/12 01:31 PM Re: GAO: Nat. Debt Would Skyrocket If No Obamacare [Re: Chuck Howard]
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Originally Posted By: Chuck Howard
Originally Posted By: Phil Hoskins
Ma???? Where is your evidence?

(not holding my breath)


Phil, he's probably looking for that evidence right now!


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#219078 - 04/05/12 01:50 PM Re: GAO: Nat. Debt Would Skyrocket If No Obamacare [Re: Scoutgal]
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Compromise rulings on the The Obameter I just thought a little reality-based discussion might be in order.

I feel a little like Ma R might be feeling dumped on, being the lone Republican willing to engage on this subject. And I do think it is important to understand other points of view, and what they are based upon.
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#219123 - 04/05/12 07:34 PM Re: GAO: Nat. Debt Would Skyrocket If No Obamacare [Re: NW Ponderer]
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your link is to commie lies

right wing radio talk show hosts invariably say Pres Obama does not nor will ever compromise with republicans/conservatives.

I interpret that to mean he is not an ultra extremist conservative radical ... it is the closest to making any sense but of course it doesn't explain the lack of compromise from republicans/conservative on any contentious issue i.e. they disingenuously participate as they vote against it

i am not sure how they make sense of anything ... o it could be they don't
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#219130 - 04/05/12 08:29 PM Re: GAO: Nat. Debt Would Skyrocket If No Obamacare [Re: rporter314]
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Isn't it one of the tactics of those seeking to dominate a person to speak in what seem to be disconnected, conflicting and senseless ways so that it becomes more difficult over time to think clearly?

Just sayin
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