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#227056 - 06/28/12 06:16 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Chuck Howard]
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Well, if he became President, I am sure he would do What Is Expedient.
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#227057 - 06/28/12 06:20 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Ozymanithrax]
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Originally Posted By: Ozymanithrax
Romney could not promote it, because he wanted to get nominated. He was attacked repeatedly during by his own Party. For the same reasons, he can't use it now, because so many on the right consider it Socialism. That is called being between a Rock and a Hardplace.

Yet, Rethuglicans are standing by their man and will vote for the very guy who unleashed 'Obamacare' onto them.

You can't make this stuff up. It's too grand. smile
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#227058 - 06/28/12 06:21 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Chuck Howard]
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...and Canter and Boehner are presenting their "plan" for heath care on July 11th.

Um...isn't it a little too late for that?
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#227059 - 06/28/12 06:33 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Ozymanithrax]
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Originally Posted By: Ozymanithrax
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Remember that month? When the Republic died due to a decision that can never be cited as precedent?

But Bush V. Gore has been cited as precedent, as noted in this 2008 article.
Bush v. Gore Set to Outlast Its Beneficiary
Which should be taken as a warning to arrogant Supreme Court Justices and those seeking political coup.


The opinion held this language:

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“Our consideration is limited to the present circumstances,” the majority famously said, “for the problem of equal protection in election processes generally presents many complexities.”

That sentence, translated from high legal jargon into English, was often taken to mean this: The decision was a ticket for one ride only. It was not a precedent. It was a ruling, yes, but it was not law.
from the article cited above.

That language means that the case is sui generis, the legal version of a "one off." It was NOT intended to be cited, which was good, because the case itself was a huge overreach for the Supremes, because they took to themselves powers given only to Congress regarding elections.

For that reason, the Court knew, and inserted the language.

That it has been cited does not mean that it was intended to be cited. That's all I'm saying, and as precedent, it basically stands for what courts ought never do again. Ever. violin
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#227061 - 06/28/12 07:17 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Chuck Howard]
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#227062 - 06/28/12 07:30 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Chuck Howard]
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#227064 - 06/28/12 07:45 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Get ready for the stirring up of the hicks from the right. Ma?


VIOLENT REVOLUTION

What just was blessed by the SCOTUS was the creation of an all powerful federal government. The only solution is overthrow and replacement.
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#227066 - 06/28/12 07:49 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: pdx rick]
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You can't make this stuff up. It's too grand. smile

You could not write nor sell a novel with this kind of stuff in it. But ficiton is not supposed to be reality . They will support him, because if he is elected Republicans will have power, and power is everything.


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#227067 - 06/28/12 07:50 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Ma_Republican]
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Originally Posted By: Ma_Republican
VIOLENT REVOLUTION

What just was blessed by the SCOTUS was the creation of an all powerful federal government. The only solution is overthrow and replacement.

Damn judicial activists. coffee Now Ma_R, go be a good patriot and pay your health care tax bill. smile
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#227069 - 06/28/12 07:59 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: pdx rick]
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Canter and Boehner are presenting their "plan"

the plan in jan 2011 was for states to deal with it i.e. there was no plan

it is hard for me to believe they actually have a plan now ... it is probably just an extension of their previous plans of allowing the free market to continue to do what they have been doing for 60 years ... they will put some lipstick on the donkey and present as a quarter horse

i await in anticipation
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