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#227365 - 07/01/12 05:40 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Ozymanithrax]
itstarted Offline
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Registered: 01/27/03
Posts: 6428
Loc: Florida/Illinois
Originally Posted By: Ozymanithrax
Itstarted, this is a link to the ACA. Everything you want to know is there.

Link to the affordable care act.

Yeah... the link was there already, and I of course saw that.
Did you read it?
Can you answer the questions?
Can anyone?

What's the meaning of life? ROTFMOL Wiki...

Did you read it all?

Better still... How many here can answer the questions?...
Simple questions, like... what will I pay? When? How? What will it cover?

Absolutely amazing to me that the entire country can be so up in arms, about a program they don't understand... and couldn't explain if they had to.

Tell me, anyone... don't you feel a little foolish writing about a subject that is so opaque to the average citizen?

Did anyone here take the time to find out that high salaried persons who retire early, can expect annual health care help of up to $90,000/yr to cover the period between their early retirement date, and the time when they will be eligible for medicare?
The Affordable Care Act creates a new program called the Early Retiree Reinsurance Program to help address this challenge that employers and older employees are facing. The Early Retiree Reinsurance Program provides $5 billion in financial assistance to employers and unions to help them maintain coverage for early retirees age 55 and older who are not yet eligible for Medicare.

Businesses, other employers, and unions that are accepted into the program will receive reimbursement for medical claims for early retirees and their spouses, surviving spouses, and dependents. Savings can be used to reduce employer health care costs, provide premium relief to workers and families, or both. Applicants who are approved into the program receive reinsurance for the claims of high-cost retirees and their families (80 percent of the costs from $15,000 to $90,000). The program ends on January 1, 2014 when State health insurance Exchanges are up and running.

From Illinois Plan... subsidized by ACA.

And that was just a tiny part of one state's offshoot to the 2500 page bill.
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#227366 - 07/01/12 05:43 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Phil Hoskins]
Ma_Republican Offline
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Registered: 02/12/04
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[post deleted as an attack on another poster}

Edited by Phil Hoskins (07/01/12 07:55 PM)
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#227369 - 07/01/12 06:12 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Ma_Republican]
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Registered: 04/11/11
Posts: 1347
Loc: California
Originally Posted By: Ma_Republican
No, all of this over the blessing of 5 enemies of America that allows Congress to impose any requirement on the people of the United States, without the need to justify it. If the government wants Americans to underwrite GM, again, they can impose a tax on America at their will. If they want America to support an indipendant army to invade, say, Mexico, they can impose a tax. If they want America to support anything at all, they can impose a tax to support it.

Ma, the fact that you don't like what they decided doesn't make them enemies of America. The court determined that the law was Constitutional. Get over it. Such a law was Justified because there are more than thirty million Americans who cannot get health care, which harms our ability to compete against all those nations that have universal health care. Health Insurance companies, in order to save money, took coverage from children and sick customers so their multi-millionaire investors and CEO's could buy a better yacht, which causes grave harm to millions of citizens leading to bankruptcies and untimely death. The justification was the need of citizens. Actually, the constitution says that the government can impose a tax at their will according to Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution. SCOTUS did not make that up. You can thank Madison and others. Don't like it, win elections.
Calling for people to take up arms against their legal government for the use of its lawful powers and commit murder and violence is called sedition. And if it involves making war upon the legal government of the United States, it is covered under Section 3 of the Constitution. Those who do those things are not patriots, they're just common household thugs with delusions of grandeur.

Edited by Ozymanithrax (07/01/12 06:23 PM)
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#227371 - 07/01/12 06:16 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Ma_Republican]
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MA~You have stated many times that self-interest is your main goal. If the government offers you free money, then you will take it, even if you think it's wrong. So when the benefits of AHCA come to fruition, I think we'll be seeing you to be one of the first in line to collect, whether it's through your employer, or standing in a government queue. You should have been a politician. LOL

BTW-I am getting a real kick reading all of your posts here-the hyperbolic rhetoric is hilarious! Especially about the part of whenever anyone disagrees with your POV, they are "enemies of America"! I suppose that the framers of the Constitution are now enemies, since they allowed free speech and provided the basis for the SCOTUS decision. ROTFMOL
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#227382 - 07/01/12 06:33 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Ma_Republican]
Greger Offline

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Registered: 11/24/06
Posts: 16467
Loc: Florida
the World Trade Towers can be rebuilt, so can the US Cole, but this does damage to America as an entity. It is unforgivable.
Can those 3000 lives lost in the 9/11 attacks be gotten back? The lives lost on the US Cole? Can the lives of all the soldiers and civilians lost in that ridiculous war your Party started in Iraq be somehow rebuilt?
Increasing taxes to insure those who cannot afford it will save lives. Not just the lives of the "layabouts" but the lives of working single parents, college students who can remain a few more years on their parents policies. It helps small businesses insure their employees.
All this phony righteousness about damaging the US as an entity is nonsense. But I've come to expect no less from the Lost Party. Every time you don't get your way it's the end of America as we know it. Maybe you should quit being such crybabies.
If Romney wins he will repeal this.
If Romney wins I'll be dissapointed but neither surprised nor angry.
If Obama wins the coming election the anger from the Right is going to be monumental.
You folks should really grow up a little bit.
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#227398 - 07/01/12 07:51 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Ma_Republican]
Chuck Howard Offline
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Registered: 09/17/01
Posts: 6723
Loc: Philly 'burbs
Originally Posted By: Ma_Republican
There are certain people who are too stupid to see the potential damange this ruling creates, then there are people who do not care because this allows then to legally steal money from people who actually, you know, WORK for a living...

This ruling means that those who have freeloaded off the system by obtaining free medical care will now have to pay their fair share. It's called personal responsibility. Apparently, that's a value that Republicans only give lip service to.

#227441 - 07/02/12 08:48 AM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Chuck Howard]
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Registered: 02/27/06
Posts: 9502
Loc: North San Diego County
I get a real kick out of reading and hearing the hype from those who are defending the free-loader's right to game the system: People who could afford to buy health insurance, but instead shift the cost to everybody else when they get sick or injured are the moral equivalent of welfare frauds. These are the only people who will be paying the opt-out tax.

I recall that not long ago Republicans constantly accused Democrats of supporting moochers, but now that we have entered the Bizarro World the supposed "Champions of Individual Responsibility" have assumed the role themselves! What's next: A Republican bill to supply every unemployed unwed mother of 10 a Cadillac? Hmm

#227443 - 07/02/12 01:15 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Ma_Republican]
Ma_Republican Offline
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Registered: 02/12/04
Posts: 6517
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: Ma_Republican
[post deleted as an attack on another poster}

I insulted nobody. I did not do anything that should have resulted in deleting this post. Please repost, sometime the truth hurts.
A proud member of the Vast Right-wing Conspiracy, Massachusetts Chapter

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#227447 - 07/02/12 02:06 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Chuck Howard]
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Registered: 09/09/11
Posts: 17329
I think that the right-wing doesn't want the reality of the health care crisis to be understood, or the details of the ACA, because it would eliminate a plethora of talking points. Make no mistake, this is an existential issue for the GOP. On numerous points they are fighting rear-guard actions to shore up their relevance, and solidify their positions. 2010 was largely a fluke, elections-wise, so they are making a series of tactical choices: attacking unions, purging voter rolls, gerrymandering districts, etc., all in an effort to hold off the inevitable decline of their political positions, and the demographic realities that are pushing them from the mainstage. The ACA, and in particular the Roberts ruling, leveled the field. Chief Justice Roberts is well aware that the conservative wing of the Court is out of control, but he is no centrist. He is looking to his legacy. There were poison pills galore in his opinion, however, so his finely-honed Republican instincts are still intact.
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Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich

#227449 - 07/02/12 02:17 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: pdx rick]
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Registered: 09/10/08
Posts: 1662
Loc: Middle, USA
...and Canter and Boehner are presenting their "plan" for heath care on July 11th.

Um...isn't it a little too late for that?

Help me here if I'm wrong. Canter and Boehner and all the other Republican congressmen were present and conscious when ACA was written, rewritten, and passed. Congress created the law that was passed up to President Obama to sign.

I mean, this isn't like Obama's decision to stop deporting children of aliens, etc. That one was all him.

The ACA was a product of Congress and agreed to by the President.

Where were Canter's and Boehner's great ideas for health care back then?
Just a Missouri school teacher ... stubborn as a mule and addicted to logic.

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