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#227450 - 07/02/12 02:19 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Ma_Republican]
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Originally Posted By: Ma_Republican
I insulted nobody.
Sorry, Ma R, but this one had me laughing out loud. It is a rare post indeed that doesn't insult somebody, and of late, perhaps a majority of the audience. Some attacks are more direct, but some are so broad-brush just about everyone is insulted. I'd say I'm sorry I missed it, but that would probably not be true. smile
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#227458 - 07/02/12 03:13 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Spag-hetti]
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As the ACA was crafted there were many concessions made, to Republicans, to insurance companies, and to pharmaceutical companies. Lobbyists as well as government had a hand in crafting the Bill. This explains why it is flawed.
Even those of us who support the ACA believe it is a work in progress.
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#227462 - 07/02/12 03:37 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
As the ACA was crafted there were many concessions made, to Republicans, to insurance companies, and to pharmaceutical companies. Lobbyists as well as government had a hand in crafting the Bill. This explains why it is flawed.
Even those of us who support the ACA believe it is a work in progress.

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#227463 - 07/02/12 03:40 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Chuck Howard]
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Originally Posted By: Chuck Howard
This ruling means that those who have freeloaded off the system by obtaining free medical care will now have to pay their fair share. It's called personal responsibility. Apparently, that's a value that Republicans only give lip service to.

Among others: reign in government spending - yet spend like drunken sailors passing out tax relief for rich people.
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#227468 - 07/02/12 03:59 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
I get a real kick out of reading and hearing the hype from those who are defending the free-loader's right to game the system: People who could afford to buy health insurance, but instead shift the cost to everybody else when they get sick or injured are the moral equivalent of welfare frauds. These are the only people who will be paying the opt-out tax.

I recall that not long ago Republicans constantly accused Democrats of supporting moochers, but now that we have entered the Bizarro World the supposed "Champions of Individual Responsibility" have assumed the role themselves! What's next: A Republican bill to supply every unemployed unwed mother of 10 a Cadillac? Hmm

Great post P-I-A! Bow
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#227485 - 07/02/12 06:24 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Chuck Howard]
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ACA may be constitutional but it it's not reality. It's a long ways to 2014 and like It's points out, it's still a mystery to most. My guess is that it will shake and rattle out of the gate and every perceived flaw will be amped up. Any imperfection pounced on. Absent a good understanding of this legislation my guess is a lot of FUD from the right. It has always been their chosen tool.
Look no further than global warming.
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#227500 - 07/02/12 08:00 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Greger]
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it is a work in progress

no reasonable person would consider it otherwise

now republicans/conservatives say it was washington which crafted the law i.e. democrats/liberals/socialists/communists.

any and all expansive bills would necessarily be flawed from the very nature of our legislative process, especially in the current atmosphere of the deep chasm separating political ideologies
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#227501 - 07/02/12 08:03 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: chunkstyle]
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Over 50 provisions of the ACA have already gone into effect.
Lots more are coming. It's not necessary for dumbasses like me to read the bill and understand it. Others have done that for me and explained it.
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#227503 - 07/02/12 08:05 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Spag-hetti]
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Canter and Boehner and all the other Republican congressmen were present and conscious

i don't know about conscious but certainly they participated

their complaint the best i can figure is that the bill had more democratic input than being the conservative it should have been ... in other words the democrats should have surrendered and became conservatives and wrote the bill on one page just as the koch bros dictated ... i guess if the democrats were conservatives they would be republicans ... simply brilliant ... the best and the brightest?


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Edit Reason: can't spell
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#227504 - 07/02/12 08:08 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Greger]
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It's not necessary ... to read the bill and understand it

you are correct ... if you listen to elrushbo, hannity, beck etc interpretations, you would know what the law really entails and you too would be clamoring for repeal

o you mean what is really in the law ... i am sorry disregard talk radio ... carry on
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