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#227301 - 07/01/12 01:31 AM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: itstarted]
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Here is a link to a program that shows its schedule.
ACA Schedule
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#227302 - 07/01/12 01:34 AM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Lillibet]
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Originally Posted By: Lillibet
Originally Posted By: california rick
Originally Posted By: Lillibet
As for Roberts being the swing, I thought it was likely because the real money is the insurance industry in this decision. Therefore, as night follows day, Roberts followed the money. (Where have we heard that before???)

You know, I've been thinking the very same. Justice Roberts would be consistent in his love-affair with corporate dollars.
If you think the insurance industry is going to walk away from all these dollars they're now getting for insuring everyone, you've likely got another think coming.

Insurances companies now have standards they HAVE TO follow like they haven't had in a while now. No more pre existing conditions (meaning they have to pay). Coverage of preventive care tests (they have to fully pay for).
No more whole departments dedicated to figuring out way to refuse to pay claims.
THEY HAVE TO PAY for the health costs that you have been paying premiums on for so long.
Yes they'll cover more people but now it's got to be affordable (struggling people will get tax credits) and they will have to pay oh so much more in health care costs then they have been doing.
They have standards now that they have to follow.

I'm in my 60s. Suddenly I can go get a mammogram, blood tests, a pap smear.
For no cost to me (beyond my premium). My insurance company will pay for it.
Oh. And if I get cancer, they can't cancel me.
Same with a heart attack.

Maybe it's a wet dream for them. I dunno.
But I damn well know it is for me.
I've paid a lot of money over time and gotten almost nothing to show for it.

Yes single payer is still what I think would be better but this was a giant step for a country that has become really reluctant to take care of it's own.

I think I believe Justice Roberts knew that and didn't want to be judged 100 years from now for being stupid and partisan.
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#227310 - 07/01/12 02:55 AM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Ma_Republican]
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Originally Posted By: Ma_Republican
Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
Get ready for the stirring up of the hicks from the right. Ma?


VIOLENT REVOLUTION

What just was blessed by the SCOTUS was the creation of an all powerful federal government. The only solution is overthrow and replacement.

Ma, only Republicans are threatening the violent overthrow of the government. That is the very definition of tyrany.
Former Michigan Republican Party spokes...held (updated)
Teaparty Leader threatens insurrection against Obamacare
Elections have consequences. The appropriate reaction to those consequences is the ballot box not the violent overthrow of a government.


Edited by Ozymanithrax (07/01/12 06:16 AM)
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#227315 - 07/01/12 05:08 AM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Ma_Republican]
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MaR, you have got to be kidding. YOU? Violent revolution? ROTFMOL

Pardon me, but I really can't see you in violent anything and certainly not what it takes for a violent revolution. Thankfully.

And all this over a tax? Oh man, you are hilarious.
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#227326 - 07/01/12 12:43 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Phil Hoskins]
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And not just ANY tax, but a tax that he doesn't have to pay since he already has health insurance! ROTFMOL

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#227328 - 07/01/12 12:59 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: olyve]
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Quote:
no cost to me

i think this is one of the sticking points for conservatives

they leave out the rest of your sentence ... it is free in the sense you have already paid for it, so at time of service there is no charge

or in another way as you have pointed out ... previously you had to pay for it as it was not covered ... so now you dont have to "pay" for it as uncovered and so can be viewed from one perspective as "free"

and i guess i will throw in tax credits for those who can't afford premiums
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#227330 - 07/01/12 01:51 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: pondering_it_all]
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i have been confused with conservative media over the largest tax increase ever, largest tax increase on middle class citizens etc. Is it hyperbolic as is their nature to be or is there any factual basis for their claim?

Obamacare is . . . the largest tax increase in the history of the world

i don;t see any middle class being taxed and of course it is not largest tax increase
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#227338 - 07/01/12 04:04 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Chuck Howard]
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You don't see it rp, because you are stubbornly wedded to facts. You need to view the world through red-colored lenses to appreciate the conservative viewpoint. You see, red filters out that pesky reality stuff, and leaves only the secret messages. The largest tax increase belongs to Ronald Reagan, but we can't mention that to a Republican. Reagan, you see, would then clearly be a confiscatory socialist, and that directly contradicts his posthumous sainthood status. Marvelous things those red-colored glasses.
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#227351 - 07/01/12 04:52 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: NW Ponderer]
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#227364 - 07/01/12 05:37 PM Re: The ACA is Constitutional!!! [Re: Phil Hoskins]
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Originally Posted By: Phil Hoskins

MaR, you have got to be kidding. YOU? Violent revolution? ROTFMOL

I think living in Massachusetts is really starting to get to MaR. · · smile

Originally Posted By: Phil Hoskins
Pardon me, but I really can't see you in violent anything and certainly not what it takes for a violent revolution. Thankfully.

And all this over a tax? Oh man, you are hilarious.

Perhaps he wants to take all the health insurance cards and dump them in Boston Harbour.

But I agree with you, Phil. Violent revolution? All over some piddling little tax? No one who was sane would ever do that!! · ·
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