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#231372 - 07/30/12 01:16 AM Scalia Suggests 'Hand Held Rocket Launcers' Are
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Scalia Suggests 'Hand Held Rocket Launcers' Are Protected Under the Second Ammendment
WALLACE: What about… a weapon that can fire a hundred shots in a minute?
SCALIA: We’ll see. Obviously the Amendment does not apply to arms that cannot be hand-carried — it’s to keep and “bear,” so it doesn’t apply to cannons — but I suppose here are hand-held rocket launchers that can bring down airplanes, that will have to be decided.
WALLACE: How do you decide that if you’re a textualist?
SCALIA: Very carefully.

So the only limits in Scalia's POV are on weapons that can be hand-carried. A suitcase Nuke, developed by the U.S. and the old Soviet Union can be hand carried. Live hand grenades can be hand carried. Poisonous gas canisters, land mines, biological weapon deployment systems. How about a small one man operable drone system with hellfire missiles?

And, of couse, the founding fathers had all those things in mind.
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#231373 - 07/30/12 01:24 AM Re: Scalia Suggests 'Hand Held Rocket Launcers' Are [Re: Ozymanithrax]
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Justice Scalia clearly represents a right-wing nutjob (RWNJ) faction of his political party.

I wonder if he would feel differently if a 'hand-held rocket launcher' was aiming at his home. Hmm
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#231375 - 07/30/12 01:27 AM Re: Scalia Suggests 'Hand Held Rocket Launcers' Are [Re: pdx rick]
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I am sure he would applaud an American who stands up for his second amendment rights...not.
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#231378 - 07/30/12 01:49 AM Re: Scalia Suggests 'Hand Held Rocket Launcers' Are [Re: Ozymanithrax]
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Originally Posted By: Ozymanithrax
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Scalia Suggests 'Hand Held Rocket Launcers' Are Protected Under the Second Ammendment
WALLACE: What about… a weapon that can fire a hundred shots in a minute?
SCALIA: We’ll see. Obviously the Amendment does not apply to arms that cannot be hand-carried — it’s to keep and “bear,” so it doesn’t apply to cannons — but I suppose here are hand-held rocket launchers that can bring down airplanes, that will have to be decided.
WALLACE: How do you decide that if you’re a textualist?
SCALIA: Very carefully.

So the only limits in Scalia's POV are on weapons that can be hand-carried. A suitcase Nuke, developed by the U.S. and the old Soviet Union can be hand carried. Live hand grenades can be hand carried. Poisonous gas canisters, land mines, biological weapon deployment systems. How about a small one man operable drone system with hellfire missiles?

And, of couse, the founding fathers had all those things in mind.


And if I may borrow a term from the Word Association thread, Nino, you are a Mashugana! (Gosh, I'm glad he's not elected!)
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#231406 - 07/30/12 05:13 PM Re: Scalia Suggests 'Hand Held Rocket Launcers' Are [Re: Ozymanithrax]
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At one time Bruce Cockburn wanted one--and he’s Canadian!:



Edited by Ken Condon (07/30/12 05:17 PM)
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#231409 - 07/30/12 05:30 PM Re: Scalia Suggests 'Hand Held Rocket Launcers' Are [Re: Ozymanithrax]
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Originally Posted By: Ozymanithrax
Quote:
Scalia Suggests 'Hand Held Rocket Launcers' Are Protected Under the Second Ammendment
WALLACE: What about… a weapon that can fire a hundred shots in a minute?
SCALIA: We’ll see. Obviously the Amendment does not apply to arms that cannot be hand-carried — it’s to keep and “bear,” so it doesn’t apply to cannons — but I suppose here are hand-held rocket launchers that can bring down airplanes, that will have to be decided.




As I understand it, the only constitutionally relevant factor is whether the weapon can be hand carried. If it can be hand carried, we have a constitutional right to own and bear that weapon... regardless of it's destructive power.


And this only makes sense.... the government can only be held in check if ordinary citizens retain the right to bear weapons sufficient to dislodge that government should they choose to do so. A briefcase nuke carried into Washington DC should about do the trick.
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#231417 - 07/30/12 07:22 PM Re: Scalia Suggests 'Hand Held Rocket Launcers' Are [Re: Ozymanithrax]
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as pointed out, it's a wondrous thing, those weapons that can be hand carried. yes, rocket launchers, anti-tank artillery ... the list goes on. war anyone?
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#231418 - 07/30/12 07:54 PM Re: Scalia Suggests 'Hand Held Rocket Launcers' Are [Re: 2wins]
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Originally Posted By: 2wins
as pointed out, it's a wondrous thing, those weapons that can be hand carried. yes, rocket launchers, anti-tank artillery ... the list goes on. war anyone?


No, no, you miss the esteemed Nino's point! It isn't war. It's hand to hand combat. mano a mano. sicilian justice don't you know!
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#231421 - 07/30/12 08:03 PM Re: Scalia Suggests 'Hand Held Rocket Launcers' Are [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: california rick
Justice Scalia clearly represents a right-wing nutjob (RWNJ) faction of his political party.

I wonder if he would feel differently if a 'hand-held rocket launcher' was aiming at his home. Hmm
I've heard there are hand held grenade launchers and missiles that take out flying objects. Based upon fire power though, I'd think a quail would be turned to dust if one were used on a bird shoot. Even a clay pigeon wouldn't be recognizable if hit. A goose wouldn't even be worth a gander.

I also wonder what Cheney's friend would have thought if a badly aimed, hand held rocket had been used, rather than birdshot.

Having read a lot of his opinions, I don't think Scalia would change anything, no matter what. He's amazing in sticking to his guns from one decade to the next, which is either reassuring or frightening, depending which side of a case you're on at the time.

No, I am not all that sorry about the pun. rolleyes
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#231422 - 07/30/12 08:13 PM Re: Scalia Suggests 'Hand Held Rocket Launcers' Are [Re: loganrbt]
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Originally Posted By: loganrbt
Originally Posted By: 2wins
as pointed out, it's a wondrous thing, those weapons that can be hand carried. yes, rocket launchers, anti-tank artillery ... the list goes on. war anyone?


No, no, you miss the esteemed Nino's point! It isn't war. It's hand to hand combat. mano a mano. sicilian justice don't you know!
DOH!
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