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#231781 - 08/02/12 04:53 PM Obama Holds Big Lead Over Romney
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Obama Holds Big Lead Over Romney
A new Pew Research survey shows President Obama opening up a wide lead over Mitt Romney in the presidential race, 51% to 41%.

Key findings: "By a 52% to 37% margin, more voters say they have an unfavorable than favorable view of Romney... Obama's image remains, by comparison, more positive -- 50% offer a favorable assessment of the president, 45% an unfavorable one."

Republicans nominated a candidate that nobody likes.
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#231782 - 08/02/12 05:03 PM Re: Obama Holds Big Lead Over Romney [Re: Ozymanithrax]
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Nate silver has it much closer

but currently giving obama a 70% chance of victory.
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#231789 - 08/02/12 05:32 PM Re: Obama Holds Big Lead Over Romney [Re: Schlack]
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Or you can go over to Andera Mitchel and see why all those polls are wrong, at least according to AM.
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Gallup reveals Obama in deep trouble with polling numbers in important swing states
All these oversampled Democrat polls trying to fool people into believing Obama is doing great in swing states is nothing more than a load of crap. One great example is Ohio, where recently skewed polls have shown Obama with sizable leads over Mitt Romney with an average of 8-11% more Democrats polled than Republicans. Obama’s approval rating in Ohio on Gallup over the first half of 2012 is just 44%. You don’t win states with 44% approval ratings. In other states like Iowa, Florida, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Obama is only at 46% approval. In Nevada, New Mexico Obama’s approval is only 45%. In Colorado and New Hampshire it’s only 43%. Even in what is expected to be a safe blue state like Oregon, Obama is only polling at 47%. So when you cut through all the BS of other biased polls, you can see Obama is in deep trouble, and with four more lousy jobs reports to come, those numbers aren’t likely to improve.

Both sides have polls that show why Obama will win or lose.
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#231815 - 08/02/12 07:54 PM Re: Obama Holds Big Lead Over Romney [Re: Ozymanithrax]
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Both sides have polls

pay no attention to polls the right has rush, hannity etc who have already declared romney the winner
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#231820 - 08/02/12 08:19 PM Re: Obama Holds Big Lead Over Romney [Re: Ozymanithrax]
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I think it was Fivethirtyeight that had a great analysis about how voter suppression efforts might have a big impact on the accuracy of the polling. I will try to relocate that article to provide a link, but my computer crashed, so I don't know how much excavation I will have to do.
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#231823 - 08/02/12 08:40 PM Re: Obama Holds Big Lead Over Romney [Re: Ozymanithrax]
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All these oversampled Democrat polls trying to fool people into believing Obama is doing great in swing states is nothing more than a load of crap.

This is not a great analysis. While President Obama' job rating is less than stellar, Mitt Romney lacks the charisma to get voters off the couch in November.
Is Romney beginning to fade? That's what the current polling suggests.
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#231826 - 08/02/12 09:06 PM Re: Obama Holds Big Lead Over Romney [Re: Schlack]
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Originally Posted By: Schlack
Nate silver has it much closer

but currently giving obama a 70% chance of victory.

Nate's a natural... though he is so judgmental! You know, how he takes a look at the facts and draws some tentative conclusions that are constantly adjusted by emergent facts. Just like those crazy right-wingers!
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#231828 - 08/02/12 09:28 PM Re: Obama Holds Big Lead Over Romney [Re: Ozymanithrax]
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That was an interesting piece of self-deception on fireandreamitchel.com, Ozy. Completely missing is the dismal values that Romney engenders in those same States: Negative Ratings For Obama, Romney Are High, But Little Moved By Attack Ads Views of Obama, Romney More Strongly Negative Than Positive

Obama at least engenders a positive net.
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#231841 - 08/02/12 11:43 PM Re: Obama Holds Big Lead Over Romney [Re: NW Ponderer]
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That is the thing about polls, they can be twisted more ways that a bad plot. Clearly, fireanddream was looking for a pony in a pile of dressage horse crap.
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#231850 - 08/03/12 01:58 AM Re: Obama Holds Big Lead Over Romney [Re: Ozymanithrax]
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The awful Truth is that Real America has been played for fools by an insidious Progressive infiltration of God's Own Party, a faction who would prefer that the president be allowed to continue to perpetrate an Alien, Socialist agenda on the American People rather than see a True Conservative win the Presidency. The Governor means well, but he just isn't an instinctive, True Conservative. One cannot hope to wrestle power from the usurpers by offering a blander version of the same Collectivist power grab. For Real America to once again emerge from under the yoke of oppression the Republican candidate needs to be a Real American. Look what is happening in Texas and Wisconsin and Florida and Maine, Virginia and South Carolina and so many other places across this country that are electing people who understand that their job as lawmakers is to dismantle the government so that Individuals and Markets are Truly Free and everyone can reach their True Potential.
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