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#232272 - 08/07/12 04:15 AM Has anyone here read "1493" by Charles C Mann?
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I've finished the "Prologue" and "2 Monuments" and it has changed the way I look at the history since Columbus.

It also lays Globalization firmly at the feet of Columbus and names the era that came about due to the Columbian Exchange to the Homogenocene.

The Dawn of the Homogenocene

Just wondering?
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#232297 - 08/07/12 04:19 PM Re: Has anyone here read "1493" by Charles C Mann? [Re: Ozymanithrax]
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Most people are too stupid and unaware to understand the vast, deleterious effects of the wholesale, unplanned transportation of animals and plants from one continent to another.
Consider Australia, which is a broken ruin of the natural wonderland it once was.
Australian Ecology
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...ever since Australia broke away from the Antarctic it has been wet, with extensive marshes and wide floodplains.
This is despite always having had little rainfall....
In these unique conditions, plants evolved to manage the available water.
How did they do it? By minimising both evaporation and run-off to the sea.
Working in consort, a functional trilogy of plant types - trees, grasses and weeds - evolved to reshape the landscape, manage soil fertility and surface salinity, and maximise biodiversity....
Then people arrived.
Unable to understand how the unique Australian ecology worked, they took to burning to assist hunting and imported hard-hoofed animals to be grazed.
The land deteriorated, almost from day one....
In recent decades the deterioration has progressed continent-wide, and is now crippling productivity....
Australia "wet, with extensive marshes and wide floodplains"? Yes, such a wonder existed -- before humans thrust their destructive paws into the continent.
Australia once had a biological community that was unique in the world. It was covered, continent wide, with a wonderful, soft carpet of grasses, mosses, lichen and liverworts that conserved moisture and would have been delightful to walk on. The native Australian fauna were soft-footed and did not break up this fragile carpet.
Then humans arrived. The aborigines used fire to burn the land when hunting.
The Europeans brought hard-hoofed animals that broke up and destroyed the ground cover, allowing the precious moisture to evaporate wastefully.
They brought plants that were unadapted to Australian conditions.
They brought those damned rabbits, cane toads, and on and on -- never considering the ultimate effects of their thoughtlessness.

How human !!


Edited by numan (08/07/12 04:22 PM)
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#232323 - 08/07/12 08:57 PM Re: Has anyone here read "1493" by Charles C Mann? [Re: numan]
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A lot of what was done in Austrailia and the rest of the world was done before anyone had the scientific knowledge to understand the effects.


Edited by Ozymanithrax (08/07/12 10:07 PM)
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#232337 - 08/07/12 10:45 PM Re: Has anyone here read "1493" by Charles C Mann? [Re: Ozymanithrax]
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And because they were too stupid and arrogant to ask the obvious questions !!!!
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#232534 - 08/09/12 07:13 PM Re: Has anyone here read "1493" by Charles C Mann? [Re: Ozymanithrax]
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I remember asking the head botanist at the Royal Museum here in Victoria what the flora of southern Vancouver Island was like before the Europeans came here.
Some of you may be able to imagine my horror and sadness when he said, "We don't know."
And that was barely 150 years in the past !!

Most people have not the slightest conception of the chaos that is exploding through the biosphere of this planet.
It is a slow-motion explosion -- that is happening at a rate that cannot penetrate their dim level of consciousness.

Imbecilic, bumptious hominid creatures call this the "Information Age." That the term is in such common use is almost a proof of how idiotic it is.
This is an age of the destruction of information, a holocaust of the eon-by-eon, slowly built up biological information that dwarfs into insignificance the puny efforts of humans.
The consequences of our insane destruction of the patrimony of the ages is something that is beyond our power to predict -- but one thing is sure : there is at least one verse in the Bible that is starkly true -- indeed, a vast understatement.

FOR I, THE LORD THY GOD, AM A JEALOUS GOD, AND VISIT THE SINS OF THE FATHERS UPON THE CHILDREN, UNTO THE THIRD AND FOURTH GENERATION.
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#232535 - 08/09/12 07:21 PM Re: Has anyone here read "1493" by Charles C Mann? [Re: numan]
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Originally Posted By: numan
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Most people are too stupid and unaware to understand the vast, deleterious effects of the wholesale, unplanned transportation of animals and plants from one continent to another.
Consider Australia, which is a broken ruin of the natural wonderland it once was.
Australian Ecology
Quote:
...ever since Australia broke away from the Antarctic it has been wet, with extensive marshes and wide floodplains.
This is despite always having had little rainfall....
In these unique conditions, plants evolved to manage the available water.
How did they do it? By minimising both evaporation and run-off to the sea.
Working in consort, a functional trilogy of plant types - trees, grasses and weeds - evolved to reshape the landscape, manage soil fertility and surface salinity, and maximise biodiversity....
Then people arrived.
Unable to understand how the unique Australian ecology worked, they took to burning to assist hunting and imported hard-hoofed animals to be grazed.
The land deteriorated, almost from day one....
In recent decades the deterioration has progressed continent-wide, and is now crippling productivity....
Australia "wet, with extensive marshes and wide floodplains"? Yes, such a wonder existed -- before humans thrust their destructive paws into the continent.
Australia once had a biological community that was unique in the world. It was covered, continent wide, with a wonderful, soft carpet of grasses, mosses, lichen and liverworts that conserved moisture and would have been delightful to walk on. The native Australian fauna were soft-footed and did not break up this fragile carpet.
Then humans arrived. The aborigines used fire to burn the land when hunting.
The Europeans brought hard-hoofed animals that broke up and destroyed the ground cover, allowing the precious moisture to evaporate wastefully.
They brought plants that were unadapted to Australian conditions.
They brought those damned rabbits, cane toads, and on and on -- never considering the ultimate effects of their thoughtlessness.

How human !!


You are absolutely correct in this, numan! The same thing happened in Hawaii. Hawaii had no flight birds-they were all ground birds. But the introduction of pigs and other livestock destryed the habitat for them One island, has been given back to the native Hawaiians, where they are cleaning up the ordnance left behind by US Military, and trying to reintroduce native flora and fauna. As of now, no one but the native Hawaiians( and those helping to restore the island) are allowed there, without express permission by the Hawaiian leaders. I hope that this works.

I also see this happening in Florida, which now has a huge colony of non-native pythons, some crocodiles and non-native birds and monkeys let loose in the wild.
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#232667 - 08/10/12 06:12 PM Re: Has anyone here read "1493" by Charles C Mann? [Re: Ozymanithrax]
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It could serve as the epitaph for the human race :

WE WERE GREAT AT CLOSING THE BARN DOOR AFTER THE ANIMALS ESCAPED

Always too little, and too late !!
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#232674 - 08/10/12 07:24 PM Re: Has anyone here read "1493" by Charles C Mann? [Re: numan]
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Originally Posted By: numan
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It could serve as the epitaph for the human race :

WE WERE GREAT AT CLOSING THE BARN DOOR AFTER THE ANIMALS ESCAPED

Always too little, and too late !!


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