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#239559 - 10/12/12 03:02 AM Poll: Who won the Vice Presidential debate?
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Who won the Vice Presidential debate?
Who won the Vice Presidential debate?
Only one choice allowed


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#239562 - 10/12/12 03:25 AM Re: Poll: Who won the Vice Presidential debate? [Re: Golem]
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Pretty much got the same question - do you really mean "debate".

I saw one guy speaking from his being in addressing questions, the other searching for ways to regurgitate his talking points.

Joe won the debate hands down, and also won "best in show".

(Being = knowledge + experience)


Edited by logtroll (10/13/12 02:39 AM)
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#239564 - 10/12/12 04:11 AM Re: Poll: Who won the Vice Presidential debate? [Re: Golem]
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I was nervous at the outset, because the debate started with the question of Benghazi, and I thought Biden's response was weak (as it may even be the Achilles' heel of the Obama foreign policy history). But, then, when Ryan couldn't articulate anything other than talking points, it shored up even that period, and Biden took him to task on the details for foreign policy. Then taxes, then Social Security.... There were a couple of blows that Ryan landed, but I don't even think it was a decision on points. What may be the most important exchange of the debate was at the end with the question of abortion. Biden's position was clear and heartfelt, and, ironically, Ryan's seemed contrived... because he had to comport his response to the "Romney/Ryan" position, which is certainly not his own.
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#239566 - 10/12/12 05:28 AM Re: Poll: Who won the Vice Presidential debate? [Re: Golem]
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On substance, Joe Biden. On willful malarkey, Paul Ryan.
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#239569 - 10/12/12 11:21 AM Re: Poll: Who won the Vice Presidential debate? [Re: Golem]
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On the use of the term, "Malarkey"? Biden. On the use of Malarkey? Ryan.
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#239571 - 10/12/12 12:29 PM Re: Poll: Who won the Vice Presidential debate? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
On the use of the term, "Malarkey"? Biden. On the use of Malarkey? Ryan.


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Malarkey is meaningless talk, nonsense or foolishness.

It’s still known in the US and to a lesser extent in the UK and elsewhere, but where this odd-looking word comes from is decidedly uncertain. What we do know is that it began to appear in the US in the early 1920s in various spellings, such as malaky, malachy, and mullarkey. Its first known user was the cartoonist T A Dorgan, in 1922, but it only began to appear widely at the end of the decade. By 1930, Variety could pun on it: “The song is ended but the Malarkey lingers on.”

Various theories have been advanced. Eric Partridge pointed to the modern Greek word malakia but he formed a group of one. His later editor, Paul Beale, noted the London expression Madame Misharty, the personification of sales talk, exaggerated claims, and wild predictions, a name that was supposedly that of a fortune teller. But this is stretching a possible linguistic link to breaking point and, in any case, we know it started life in North America. Others point to the family name Malarkey, though who the eponymous member of the tribe might have been whose Irish-derived gift of the gab could have given rise to the name remains unknown. Jonathon Green likewise suggests a Irish origin in mullachan, a strongly-built boy or ruffian, though this, too, seems a stretch of meaning.

We’ll just have to settle for the unsatisfactory “origin unknown”.


Origin of Malarkey

I think malakia is a bit of a stretch in this case.
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Malakia (Greek: – anandria; literally, – malakia; Latin: mollites) was a particular type of cowardice, associated with effeminacy in men, that was widely condemned in ancient Greek society. To the ancient Greek, bravery was such an essential character trait of manliness that its absence was associated with femininity. Malakia could also refer to races, cultures, and societies as a whole.




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#239573 - 10/12/12 01:29 PM Re: Poll: Who won the Vice Presidential debate? [Re: Golem]
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I was offended by the question of how much influence Catholicism played in the choice of either man. America has no values left now that our nation is a Christian nation. Our values have been stripped from our very souls when we will never be anything but Christians. This concept will dumb us down to nothing but a member of the animal world.

We will be readers of one book, with visions of one paradise but only if we live according to one old man who wears a white gown and a crown. This is not the world I want to live in. I don't wsant to live in any nation where women are defined as breeders.

I came home to California to live as an individual and I'm having trouble finding another one.
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#239574 - 10/12/12 01:41 PM Re: Poll: Who won the Vice Presidential debate? [Re: Sandune]
Ezekiel Offline
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Originally Posted By: Sandune
I was offended by the question of how much influence Catholicism played in the choice of either man. America has no values left now that our nation is a Christian nation. Our values have been stripped from our very souls when we will never be anything but Christians. This concept will dumb us down to nothing but a member of the animal world.

We will be readers of one book, with visions of one paradise but only if we live according to one old man who wears a white gown and a crown. This is not the world I want to live in. I don't wsant to live in any nation where women are defined as breeders.

I came home to California to live as an individual and I'm having trouble finding another one.


Sandy,

Don't be offended. Let them know, in clear and loud voice, that you're not buying their BS.
You're right - they do have a supreme disrespect for women. And to that, add their disdain for the entire human race.
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#239575 - 10/12/12 01:44 PM Re: Poll: Who won the Vice Presidential debate? [Re: Golem]
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On 'apologizing.' I'm glad that Ryan was forced to admit that apologizing for burning Qu'rans and peeing on dead Taliban was the right thing to do.
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#239578 - 10/12/12 02:44 PM Re: Poll: Who won the Vice Presidential debate? [Re: Golem]
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actually, if you paid close attention, he only referenced the urinating on the dead bodies. he seemed to avoid the burning of the qu'rans.
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