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#241825 - 11/04/12 01:29 PM A tale of two cities: Fran Lebowitz rips Mayor Blo
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A tale of two cities: Fran Lebowitz rips Mayor Bloomberg a new one

Although the Bloomberg owned City Council already green-lighted this abomination, it is worthwhile to hear what Dear Fran had to say to Herr Bloomberg!

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What Lebowitz and many New Yorkers are specifically upset about is NYU’s plan to construct four new buildings in Greenwich Village which will radically alter the area’s landscape by creating six city blocks (1.6 million square feet) comprised of massive concrete structures. The Village is one of the last neighborhoods in Manhattan that has maintained its human scale and these “superblocks” would destroy one of the great cultural communities on the planet, replacing gardens with stone and flooding the area with more people, more bars and more noise - an urban Disneyland for academics and alcoholics.

Anyone who has recently visited the East Village knows just how bad things can get when a neighborhood is overrun by suburban asswipes whose idea of a groovy night out is finding the bar with the cheapest Jagermeister shots. The site of puke-slathered Lana Del Rays wobbling down Avenue B on their Jimmy Choo’s will make you long for the days of garbage strikes and man-eating rats.





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#241875 - 11/04/12 11:16 PM Re: A tale of two cities: Fran Lebowitz rips Mayor Blo [Re: Ezekiel]
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The last time I was in Greenwich Village, was 2004. I had gone to 'The Village' at least eight times between 1985 and 2004. I was very disappointed in 2004 to see that "my" village was gone. Gone from the village were many of the gay bars and the gay vibe replaced by yuppieism and straightification of Greenwich Village. Yes, the Monster was still there, yes Stonewall was still there, but more importantly - the men were not. Instead, the men had been replaced by yuppie str8s pushing baby strollers down Christopher Street. (Puke)

There really isn't a cohesive gay community in NYC any longer. While many bars and venues moved to Chelsea, nothing is in walking distance as was the case in the "good old days" of 'The Village.'

I often wonder what life would be like had HIV never intervened.
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#241879 - 11/04/12 11:44 PM Re: A tale of two cities: Fran Lebowitz rips Mayor Blo [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: california rick
There really isn't a cohesive gay community in NYC any longer. While many bars and venues moved to Chelsea, nothing is in walking distance as was the case in the "good old days" of 'The Village.'

I often wonder what life would be like had HIV never intervened.


You are right that that sense of community has gone. But a large part of the gay community has become, itself, yuppified. So, you will notice a larger portion of said community voting for Romney. I think what you remember is a gay (and straight) community that was involved in a movement that was reminiscent of the counter-culture (60s and 70s) when gay men and women were just starting to "come out", as it were.
As someone who lost too many friends to HIV, I don't know the answer to your question. It's hard to know how that would have changed the current scenario, although, one could speculate.
Today, unfortunately, what was the gay movement has been co-opted, as so many such movements are, and the gay folks who once protested at Stonewall are now doing ads for American Express.
Sad but true. frown
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#241882 - 11/05/12 12:05 AM Re: A tale of two cities: Fran Lebowitz rips Mayor Blo [Re: Ezekiel]
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Originally Posted By: Ezekiel
...what you remember is a gay (and straight) community that was involved in a movement that was reminiscent of the counter-culture (60s and 70s) when gay men and women were just starting to "come out", as it were.

True. It was easier for me and my X'er generation to be gay because the boomer generation before me fought and led the way for our right to be who we are.

Originally Posted By: Ezekiel
As someone who lost too many friends to HIV, I don't know the answer to your question. It's hard to know how that would have changed the current scenario, although, one could speculate.

I definitely think gay marriage would be available in all 50 states - had HIV not intervened and all those men where still alive today - with our country shifting left, not right as did.

Originally Posted By: Ezekiel
Today, unfortunately, what was the gay movement has been co-opted, as so many such movements are, and the gay folks who once protested at Stonewall are now doing ads for American Express.
Sad but true. frown

Hmmmmm...
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#241887 - 11/05/12 12:17 AM Re: A tale of two cities: Fran Lebowitz rips Mayor Blo [Re: pdx rick]
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It is happening in all the big city gay ghettos. First, the majority of straight people want to have a "gay friend" in their collection. Second, most of the young straight urbanites try hard to be just like their gay brethren.

Third, even without HIV, you can just have so much sex and then you have to find something else to do. Bars used to exist as places to find partners. Now they are found on the 'net.

I lament the loss of our separateness because I think it helped us be more creative, find our own way, and forced some of us to accept the eccentricities and "differentness" of others because we knew how it felt to be "outsiders."

I am not sure about NY, and in some ways it is less so in SF, but here in LA it is hard to tell who is gay and who is straight on the street.

But in a way this is a good development. If Kinsey is right that sexuality is a gradation and not a zero sum issue, then the proliferation of people of varying sexualities, cultural expressions and self-limited identities is a healthy expression of humanness.
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#241893 - 11/05/12 12:29 AM Re: A tale of two cities: Fran Lebowitz rips Mayor Blo [Re: Phil Hoskins]
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I am not sure about NY, and in some ways it is less so in SF, but here in LA it is hard to tell who is gay and who is straight on the street.


Quite true in NY. Also, most of my gay friends (many of whom I grew up with) were involved in some artistic pursuit. The ones that are still alive still are in that milieu. However, the younger gay (particularly men) are stock brokers, real estate agents, corporate shills, etc. and thus, completely indistinguishable from their straight counterparts.
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#241894 - 11/05/12 12:36 AM Re: A tale of two cities: Fran Lebowitz rips Mayor Blo [Re: Phil Hoskins]
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Originally Posted By: Phil Hoskins
I lament the loss of our separateness because I think it helped us be more creative, find our own way, and forced some of us to accept the eccentricities and "differentness" of others because we knew how it felt to be "outsiders."

I miss that aspect of our community too. frown
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#241895 - 11/05/12 12:38 AM Re: A tale of two cities: Fran Lebowitz rips Mayor Blo [Re: Ezekiel]
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In San Francisco, we're still clinging to what's left of gay culture - but we realize that, yes, the Internet has changed our lives - everyone gay that I know, or speak to, recognizes the detrimental effect the Internet has had on how we meet.
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#241899 - 11/05/12 01:18 AM Re: A tale of two cities: Fran Lebowitz rips Mayor Blo [Re: Ezekiel]
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I think I like Fran -- just as I liked some of the two-fisted socialists of a near by-gone era -- in spite of her apparent typical New Yorker provincialism (surely, there are some New Yorkers (ah heck, might as well include New Jerseyites since there is so little difference between the two) that know that the world does not end at the boundaries of their respective borroughs (burrows:-))
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#241901 - 11/05/12 01:36 AM Re: A tale of two cities: Fran Lebowitz rips Mayor Blo [Re: issodhos]
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You'd be surprised, Iss. The old New York provincialism is becoming a thing of the past. Fran is of a generation (my generation) where that was typical. I (modesty apart) escaped that for having lived outside the U.S. for many years.
Today's younger generation is very much less so, because so many of the city's inhabitants have no roots here - they're from all over the world.
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