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#239644 - 10/13/12 11:52 AM Re: Big brother is watching [Re: Joe Keegan]
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Originally Posted By: Joe Keegan
Originally Posted By: Ezekiel
As a result of those recording devices this fellow nearly had his life ruined after being falsely accused.



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Prosecutor Kevin Rooney revealed today that cops picked up Vanderwoude after an anonymous tipster called Crime Stoppers after seeing footage of a well-dressed man that police suspected in the string of attacks.

The tipster served up Vanderwoude to cops on a plate -- giving his name, address, cell phone, place of employment and the name of the person with whom he was living.


Man Falsely Accused
I'd guess (without seeing the video)that Vanderwoude looked enough like the guy for the cops (whom I'd guess were being pressured to arrest someone)to pick him up. I don't understand why the police wouldn't investigate his alibi, unless there was so much pressure on them that they didn't care. There are a lot of problems, despite this "seemingly" incontrovertible evidence, with these devices, as well as anonymous tips, especially in a "snitch" culture.


Actually, Joe, that was precisely my point. This type of "evidence" could easily be used for nefarious purposes and be sold to the public as "incontrovertible". One could easily frame others and eliminate opposition or quash dissent based on bogus evidence from these devices.
In other words, I guess my concern goes beyond just the loss of privacy to more devious uses by the powers that be. It would not come as a surprise, at least not to me.
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#239648 - 10/13/12 01:10 PM Re: Big brother is watching [Re: Ezekiel]
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Originally Posted By: Ezekiel

Actually, Joe, that was precisely my point.
I realize that. I was just agreeing with you.
Originally Posted By: Ezekiel
This type of "evidence" could easily be used for nefarious purposes and be sold to the public as "incontrovertible".
And I agree with you there as well. I've known people who have "caught" the police doctoring tapes/videos.

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#239649 - 10/13/12 01:19 PM Re: Big brother is watching [Re: Joe Keegan]
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Originally Posted By: Ezekiel

Actually, Joe, that was precisely my point.
I realize that. I was just agreeing with you.
Originally Posted By: Ezekiel
This type of "evidence" could easily be used for nefarious purposes and be sold to the public as "incontrovertible".
And I agree with you there as well. I've known people who have "caught" the police doctoring tapes/videos.


I know you were smile
I was reiterating for the benefit of a colleague who sent a PM questioning how these devices could be used for "crooked" purposes.
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#241599 - 11/02/12 09:25 AM Re: Big brother is watching [Re: Ezekiel]
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Court OKs warrantless use of hidden surveillance cameras
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Police are allowed in some circumstances to install hidden surveillance cameras on private property without obtaining a search warrant, a federal judge said yesterday.

They've been doing it for years. The court decision just makes it "legal." The next step is to allow accompanying audio, because "open fields" can be searched. Your home will be next. They've used surveillance devices- which can "bug" 20+ acres- installed on utility poles sans any warrant for years in rural areas.

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#242082 - 11/06/12 01:04 PM Re: Big brother is watching [Re: Joe Keegan]
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MTA recording bus conversations to eavesdrop on trouble
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A Maryland Transit Administration decision to record the conversations of bus drivers and passengers to investigate crimes, accidents and poor customer service has come under attack from privacy advocates and state lawmakers who say it may go too far.
The MTA just had to flip on the audio switch on the cameras already mounted in the buses. Will the accompanying audio deter crime anymore than the existing cameras? If the UK is any example, probably not. Will the passengers feel any safer? Probably until the next violent incident. Will the cameras help the authorities identify suspects? Yes, assuming some citizen identifies the suspects in the footage released to the public. Will the audio/video cameras make the buses safer? Hopefully. How about the airports, bus stations, rail road stations, or even street corners? How about your back yard?

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#242088 - 11/06/12 01:31 PM Re: Big brother is watching [Re: Joe Keegan]
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Originally Posted By: Joe Keegan
MTA recording bus conversations to eavesdrop on trouble
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A Maryland Transit Administration decision to record the conversations of bus drivers and passengers to investigate crimes, accidents and poor customer service has come under attack from privacy advocates and state lawmakers who say it may go too far.
The MTA just had to flip on the audio switch on the cameras already mounted in the buses. Will the accompanying audio deter crime anymore than the existing cameras? If the UK is any example, probably not. Will the passengers feel any safer? Probably until the next violent incident. Will the cameras help the authorities identify suspects? Yes, assuming some citizen identifies the suspects in the footage released to the public. Will the audio/video cameras make the buses safer? Hopefully. How about the airports, bus stations, rail road stations, or even street corners? How about your back yard?


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So that's what those guys in the van are doing in my backyard? Hope they like what they hear, because I don't.
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#242129 - 11/06/12 04:51 PM Re: Big brother is watching [Re: Ezekiel]
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For some reason, "they" seem to prefer white vans. If you happen to notice a logo or company name on the van's side, it probably will be for some "Pest Control" service- funny in a sick sort of way- and you're on their "agenda."

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#242143 - 11/06/12 05:46 PM Re: Big brother is watching [Re: Joe Keegan]
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Originally Posted By: Joe Keegan
For some reason, "they" seem to prefer white vans. If you happen to notice a logo or company name on the van's side, it probably will be for some "Pest Control" service- funny in a sick sort of way- and you're on their "agenda."


Yup, you got it - it says Rats 'r Us and it is white with D.C. plates. They are way out of their neighborhood!
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#244987 - 12/01/12 01:31 PM Re: Big brother is watching [Re: Ezekiel]
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#245003 - 12/01/12 04:42 PM Re: Big brother is watching [Re: Joe Keegan]
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Why am I not surprised... frown
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