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#264540 - 10/28/13 07:38 AM Obama's increasing record of incompetence
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Obama’s increasing record of incompetence


President Barack Obama: Just not up to the job.

President Barack Obama: Just not up to the job.


So many examples that illustrate that Washington is composed of jut one amateur hour after another bombard us each day that keeping track is all but impossible.

Over the weekend, President Barack Obama took center stage as the leader who just can’t get things right.

Our leader faces increasing questions about the use of the National Security Agency’s spying apparatus to track the phone calls and other activities of leaders of nations that we supposedly consider our allies.

Reports now suggest the NSA has been tracking German Chancellor Angela Merkel since 2002, at least, and an open question is how long Obama knew about the spying and what, if anything, he did to stop it.

Some say the President ordered the tracking of Merkel and other leaders of allied nations stopped when an internal review revealed the actions. Others suggest he knew about it all along and only took action to halt it when it threatened to become public.

On another front, as more and more information emerges, it becomes all-too-apparent that Obamacare was far from ready from its rollout earlier this month and needs a lot of fine tuning and reworking before it becomes workable, assuming such is even possible.

The latest prediction by the Obama White House is that the technical problems that continue to haunt the healthcare.gov web site that was rushed into place long before it was ready for prime time will, somehow, be corrected by the end of November.

Another empty promise by an administration that is defined by missteps? Yes, more than likely. A problem with the so-called health-care reform program’s data operation shut down enrollment in all 50 states over the weekend.

In retrospect, the rabid right Republicans who laughingly made the demise of Obamacare the centerpiece of their failed strategy that led to the government shutdown and debt limit debacle would have been better off if they had just shut up and left the debut of Obamacare’s health exchanges alone to fail on their own.

The problems that keep the healthcare.gov web site down more often than up stem from inherit ineptitude that has become the hallmark of the Obama White House — just the latest example of what can happen when the American voting public is conned into turning the leadership of America over to a junior Senator who lacked neither the experience for the job or the ability to find competent people to occupy important jobs in his administration.

Hard-core supporters of the President who is not up to the job pick and choose from his mounting list of failures a few items that, somehow, managed to succeed in spite of the missteps of an administration that is not really up to the job.

We here at Capitol Hill Blue become more and more convinced that Barack Obama is a failure as President and a monument to what can happen when style overrules substance in a political campaign and voters make the mistake of choosing rhetoric over reality..

Granted, the Republicans did more than their part in offering failures like John McCain and Mitt Romney as alternatives in 2008 and 2012 — a repeat of the mistakes made by Democrats who offered no real choice to the mismanagement and mistreatment of America by George W. Bush.

In the end, we have an America devoid of leadership and controlled by a government that stumbles from one crisis to another with the grim reaper of disaster also watching, always looming and always ready.

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#264541 - 10/28/13 10:29 AM Re: Obama's increasing record of incompetence [Re: Doug Thompson]
Chuck Howard Offline
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Originally Posted By: Doug Thompson
Reports now suggest the NSA has been tracking German Chancellor Angela Merkel since 2002, at least, and an open question is how long Obama knew about the spying and what, if anything, he did to stop it.


Really? An "open question"? If it's an "open question" how is it evidence of competence or incompetence?

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Some say the President ordered the tracking of Merkel and other leaders of allied nations stopped when an internal review revealed the actions. Others suggest he knew about it all along and only took action to halt it when it threatened to become public.


Is that what "some say"? Who says that? And who are the "others" that "suggest"???

"Some say" he was born in Kenya. "Others suggest" that he is a secret Muslim. So what.

That's all right. I saw a piece on my TV over the weekend about the 1961 "rollout" of the Peace Corps. Apparently, that was a clusterf*** as well. The rollout of the Medicare prescription plan back in '05 (or whenever) was seriously flawed as well. No wonder neither of those programs survived very long.


Edited by Chuck Howard (10/28/13 10:30 AM)

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#264542 - 10/28/13 11:42 AM Re: Obama's increasing record of incompetence [Re: Doug Thompson]
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A treasure trove for the next to be tortured in the executive office: "Blame it on Obama!"
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#264547 - 10/28/13 04:01 PM Re: Obama's increasing record of incompetence [Re: Doug Thompson]
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the only way your criticism makes sense is if Pres Obama is a micromanager. I don;t think there is any evidence that he is and therefore your argument fails to meet the basic test of making sense.

If you as a publisher had an underling who frakked up, why would I consider you as incompetent? Now if you were directly involved in the underlings actions, then one could accuse you of some level of incompetence.

Is he ultimately responsible? Yep, the buck stopped at his desk but it does not mean he is incompetent.
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#264553 - 10/28/13 06:49 PM Re: Obama's increasing record of incompetence [Re: Doug Thompson]
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Yeah. What were we thinking, electing a guy who couldn't swim upstream with that cinder block called the House of Representatives tied to his foot? The racist overtones are intentional because I believe racism is the ugly root of the small but intense hatred of President Obama.

I remember a black religious figure saying that, of course, liberals should protest President Obama, because that empowers him.

But, hey, we elected him. That's communication enough. Our part is now just to sit back and watch the show.

And after all, what has he done for me lately ... besides making it possible for my diabetic son to get affordable insurance now that he is too old to be on mine?

As far as I am concerned, Democrats ... liberals ... moderates are lazy, except for the Occupy movement. We elect someone and then they are on their own. We'll sit in front of the computer or the television and kibitz, but we won't add to the real discussion.

Shame on us.
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#264558 - 10/28/13 09:47 PM Re: Obama's increasing record of incompetence [Re: Spag-hetti]
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Originally Posted By: Spag-hetti
As far as I am concerned, Democrats ... liberals ... moderates are lazy, except for the Occupy movement. We elect someone and then they are on their own. We'll sit in front of the computer or the television and kibitz, but we won't add to the real discussion.

Shame on us.

So, you Spag-hetti, will be visiting Reader Rant much more often? Your input is definitely needed. cool
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#264563 - 10/29/13 04:43 AM Re: Obama's increasing record of incompetence [Re: rporter314]
Doug Thompson Offline

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Originally Posted By: rporter314
the only way your criticism makes sense is if Pres Obama is a micromanager. I don;t think there is any evidence that he is and therefore your argument fails to meet the basic test of making sense.

If you as a publisher had an underling who frakked up, why would I consider you as incompetent? Now if you were directly involved in the underlings actions, then one could accuse you of some level of incompetence.

Is he ultimately responsible? Yep, the buck stopped at his desk but it does not mean he is incompetent.

First of all, I'm not the publisher here but why let facts get in the way? You should check the FAQs page of this web site making such an argument. wink
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#264567 - 10/29/13 08:58 AM Re: Obama's increasing record of incompetence [Re: Doug Thompson]
rporter314 Offline
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I'm not the publisher ... why let facts get in the way

it was a hypothetical scenario meant to appeal to you personally in order for you to reconsider your argument

how is this ... suppose hypothetically you are the CEO of a large corporation .... some ahole in shipping really frakks up an order .... are you incompetent because of what he did???
Suppose further you directed that idiot to take actions which turned out to be serious doodoo. Are you incompetent????

there is a difference.
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#264568 - 10/29/13 10:03 AM Re: Obama's increasing record of incompetence [Re: Doug Thompson]
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I find myself spending a lot of time defending the Obama administration - not because it needs defending much most of the time - but because there's a lot of crud out there that begs correction. I didn't expect so much of that need to reside here. Let's just say, I don't agree with much of the post. What I find most amusing/frustrating is when one piece articulately decrying partisanship is followed by... an exemplar of the kind of partisanship decried.

I find discussions that focus on the issues and spends less time demeaning the players much MUCH more satisfying.
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#264569 - 10/29/13 12:11 PM Re: Obama's increasing record of incompetence [Re: Doug Thompson]
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I agree with NWP above.

I also dislike being some reflexive defender of Obama

OTOH I prefer that discussions remain in some reasonable realm of fairness and accuracy.... and find myself reflexively objecting when I see that is not happening.... even for people I do not happen to like or agree with.

With regard to "fairness".... I do not feel there is evidence that the current adminstration is more inept than my memory of previous adminstrations. But once again, I invite those who feel differntly to hopld up the adminstration that they consider a benchmark of effective administration where no such problem arose. I have asked this before, and so far had no takers.

So from a point of view of fairness.... I am wondering if we are setting some new standard here... or just enjoy the diversion of taking pot shots at whomever happens to be running the country at the moment.

Concerning a "fair" evaluation of the roll out of "Obamacare." I join everyone else in being disturbed at the initial problems. OTOH it is indisputable that opponents of this program have tried every means to ensure it's failure. No one should be surprised if these efforts achieved at least some contribution to the current difficulties. And actually, even when everyone supports an effort like this, it can still be hard to start things up as evidenced by the initial troubles of medicare part D prescription provision.

Will "obamacare" have some problems? Yeah, I am sure that there will such issues. But I am confident there will be a whole lot more offsetting benefits. And, I have to say that if opponents actually tried to help make this thing work and fix the problems, we would all be a lot better off. Instead, the exclusive concentration appears to be resolute obstructionism aimed at creating failure... And then saying this failure was somehow inevitable.


I agree that Obama has his short comings. One of those is that he just does not seem to be a guy who can (or wants to ) schmooze with people. And sometimes that sort of social interaction helps get things done. Obama also has not been particularly effective in "leading" the American people. He just does not get people behind.... as Ronald Reagan was able to do.


But that raises what IMO is a relevant distinction. You can be a great leader/administrator.... but if you go off in the wrong direction it is wasted talent.

Don Rumsfeld was probably an excellent leader/administrator. But he made a lot of wrong turns. Obama may be a less effective leader administrator... but I am generally satisfied with the directions that he has set. I think we will look back and find the pre-obamacare problems virtually incomprehensible. Will we want to go back to a situation where insurance companies only wanted to insure healthy people? And that people who were unhealthy could not afford insurance? Do we really want to go back there? ......

And yes, I DO WANT AN ANSWER. Doug.... is that the direction that you would suggest? Really? Do we really want to return to a situation where medical insurance was only affordable if you worked for a company that offered it through it's employment contract?

Is it really a better idea to to make sure that women's health insurance is more expensive because of maternity issues? Women should pay more? Or they should not have coverage? What is the plan or an alternative that is being suggested here?

From my view, even a flawed plan is better than no plan at all. Obamacare is not perfect.... but it is better than any alternative offered by its critics. And, I think Obama exercised incredible courage to put himself on the line to get "something" in place. Missteps.... yeah. But still better than the safety of no-steps.
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