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#264745 - 11/03/13 06:48 PM I Want to Be Friends With Republicans
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David James Poissant
The New York Times
November 2, 2013

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... I realize now that my prejudices against conservatives were, in many ways, just as uncompromising as the prejudices Id often projected onto them ...

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#264746 - 11/03/13 07:13 PM Re: I Want to Be Friends With Republicans [Re: Golem]
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Originally Posted By: Golem
David James Poissant
The New York Times
November 2, 2013

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... I realize now that my prejudices against conservatives were, in many ways, just as uncompromising as the prejudices Id often projected onto them ...

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Shirley you gest:

Politico - The ObamaCare sabatage campaign

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#264747 - 11/03/13 07:23 PM Re: I Want to Be Friends With Republicans [Re: pdx rick]
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Shirley you gest:

Politico - The ObamaCare sabatage campaign

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#264748 - 11/03/13 08:16 PM Re: I Want to Be Friends With Republicans [Re: Golem]
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Thx for sharing the link golem

It is excellent IMO and I highly recommend all to read it through
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#264750 - 11/03/13 08:55 PM Re: I Want to Be Friends With Republicans [Re: Ardy]
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Originally Posted By: Ardy
I highly recommend all to read it through
Ardy

And I did just that. smile

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#264751 - 11/03/13 09:36 PM Re: I Want to Be Friends With Republicans [Re: Golem]
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Originally Posted By: Golem
Originally Posted By: california rick
Shirley you gest:

Politico - The ObamaCare sabatage campaign

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No, not really. Typical. wink We see the validation over and over. No one is going to pee on my leg and try to convince me that it's only raining.
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#264753 - 11/03/13 10:49 PM Re: I Want to Be Friends With Republicans [Re: Golem]
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Rick
Every bitter argument finds people on both sides who harbor self righteous grievances that are well supported by overwhelming and incontrovertible evidence.

And most often a neutral third party can look at the dispute and see that neither side it totally right... and that their disputes are manageable when they are separated from the entrenched emotions. And I think that it is almost always the case that a mutually agreeable resolution is a better result than obsessive struggling for total vindication.

IMO a key problem that our country faces is that we have lost the ability to engage with each other.... And instead allow ourselves to be manipulated by pundits and sensationalist media.

And of course this sort of polarization is exactly the preferred result of those with radical agendas who abhor compromise as a betrayal of ideology. This dynamic is easy to see in the middle east where the mere hint of viable peace talks results in both extremes engaging in provocation to derail the possibility of compromise.


Edited by Ardy (11/04/13 12:42 AM)
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#264759 - 11/04/13 12:12 AM Re: I Want to Be Friends With Republicans [Re: Golem]
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It always amazes me that those who decry the polarization and sectarian violence in the Middle East fail to recognize the same in their own community. I thought the original cite was quite perceptive. Thanks, Golem.
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#264762 - 11/04/13 12:58 AM Re: I Want to Be Friends With Republicans [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The article went to something that I have tried to demonstrate by relating several personal "political" vignettes of events that occurred over the last several years. The most recent was about a county gross receipts tax issue that found the local self-identified TEA party split (warning: their definition of TEA party may not match yours), the self-identified Progressives in opposition to the tax (warning: their definition of progressive may not match yours), the official Republicans were silent (warning: their definition of Republican may not match yours), and the official Democrats were opposed (warning: their definition of Democrat may not match yours). The non-TEAish libertarians were split according to whether they would personally benefit from any of the proposed projects to be funded by the tax.

Point being, when a body of folks are faced with an actual issue, one that has not been prejudiced by the gauntlet of ideologies, then people will take positions based upon what they actually think about it, and not what they are supposed to think according to their Tribal Affiliation ("KIll the Reds!", "Kill the Blues!").

NWP is doing an admirable job in attempting to lead a discussion based on the facts of the ACA issue. If we all allowed this to happen, then we might be surprised at the natural alliances that would form and how outside of the standard ideologies they would lie. If we resist the discussion of the facts by insisting on viewing the issues through distorting ideological lenses, then we will have American Style Politics circa 2013.

I have seen that people I know often identify with a particular political party when the topic is ideology, but may stray very far from that ideology when identifying a position relative to a specific non-ideologically presented issue.

The trick to being friends with "The Enemy" is to drop the ideological armor.

Is there a covered treatment for ideologues in the ACA? Ophthalmological removal of timbers, perhaps?
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