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#265093 - 11/10/13 05:46 PM How France Scuttled The Iran Deal at the Last Minute
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Western and Iranian negotiators were putting the finishing touches on a far-reaching nuclear deal. Then, at virtually the last minute, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius joined in the talks. It didn't take long for the negotiations to unravel -- and for Fabius to publicly declare this round of the talks to be over.

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Fabius, echoing Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, is said to have had two serious concerns with the deal. First, the agreement failed to prevent Tehran from continuing construction on its nuclear reactor at Arak. Once the facility is operational, a key part of Iran's nuclear program would be immune to airstrikes because bombing the plant would lead to massive, deadly, radiation leaks. Fabius was also upset that the deal didn't require Iran to reduce its stockpiles of 20% enriched uranium, which is approaching weapons-grade. The Hollande government, Fabius told French radio, would not be part of a "fool's game."

What the hell?!? When did socialism become fascism? crazy , mad
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#265098 - 11/10/13 06:42 PM Re: How France Scuttled The Iran Deal at the Last Minute [Re: pdx rick]
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What the hell?!? When did socialism become fascism? crazy , mad

Always was - just different make-up.
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#265099 - 11/10/13 06:53 PM Re: How France Scuttled The Iran Deal at the Last Minute [Re: issodhos]
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Socialism is fascism is classical liberalism... always was, everything's the same, move along, nothing to see here sepfer the make-up. Democrats are funny. Democrats is republicans is libertarians... always was, all are the same, I don't have a point.
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#265106 - 11/10/13 07:41 PM Re: How France Scuttled The Iran Deal at the Last Minute [Re: pdx rick]
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interesting to see two perspectives ... i think this Iran nuclear deal in danger of unravelling offers a better insight into why the negotiation failed.

It would appear that only Pres Obama is the only one interested in finding a solution to the Iranian nuclear program issue.

Perhaps someone should ask the hawks why they would prefer to attack Iran rather than find a peaceful solution.
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#265114 - 11/10/13 11:11 PM Re: How France Scuttled The Iran Deal at the Last Minute [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
interesting to see two perspectives ... i think this Iran nuclear deal in danger of unravelling offers a better insight into why the negotiation failed.

It would appear that only Pres Obama is the only one interested in finding a solution to the Iranian nuclear program issue.

Perhaps someone should ask the hawks why they would prefer to attack Iran rather than find a peaceful solution.


The Hawks want help their cronies in the defense industry(global companies) maintain their revenue tstream selling arms to countries at war. Since things have wound down in Iraq, and are starting to in Afghanistan, the profit has decreased for these companies. Just my opinion.
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#265118 - 11/11/13 11:44 AM Re: How France Scuttled The Iran Deal at the Last Minute [Re: pdx rick]
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I do not have the link
But the bbc site is putting out a different story
Which is that actually their was agreement among the western powers, but that the Iranians walked away because they could not quite accept those final terms I have no idea, but can imagine that certain factions in Iran would be uncomfortable to reach a deal. Especially too quick a deal which might imply capitulation on their "rights".
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#265119 - 11/11/13 11:50 AM Re: How France Scuttled The Iran Deal at the Last Minute [Re: pdx rick]
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Welp, I found this on the BBC website:

Iran media highlight France's 'obstruction'

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Cutting across political divides, most Iranian daily newspapers carried headlines suggesting that France, acting on behalf of Israeli interests, was decisive; while one editorial claimed that Paris was playing the "bad cop" role in the negotiations.

At the same time, some Iranian editorials urged their government not to reach an agreement that would harm their country's interests.
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#265122 - 11/11/13 12:11 PM Re: How France Scuttled The Iran Deal at the Last Minute [Re: pdx rick]
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Probably both sides are using a little good cop bad cop strategy to get the best terms possible
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#265125 - 11/11/13 01:10 PM Re: How France Scuttled The Iran Deal at the Last Minute [Re: pdx rick]
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Here is the link

BBC: Iran backed out

I think there is some Kabuki theater going on here. Very hard to be sure exactly what is going on.

But overall, I am pleased that there seems to be some movement towards trying to find a workable diplomatic solution short of armed conflict. And again, whatever Obama's deficiencies may be, the alternatives that we had to offer seemed tethered to a more stridently confrontational approach.

So I am rather happy to have Obama running the show in consideration of the alternatives. This not to reflexively defend Obama. I am recognizing the fact that refusing a flawed choice does not guarantee you a flaw free alternative. Where would we now be if John McCain was running foreign policy.... or for that matter Mitt Romney who had Sheldon Adelson as one of his mega contributors. Hmm

The following a quote from the Wiki article an Adelson
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US policy vis-a-vis Iran
In a panel discussion at Yeshiva University on October 22, 2013, Adelson said that the United States must get tougher about Iran’s nuclear weapons program. Controversy arose when he said: "You pick up your cell phone and you call somewhere in Nebraska and you say 'OK, let it go'and so there’s an atomic weapon goes over, ballistic missiles in the middle of the desert that doesn’t hurt a soul, maybe a couple of rattlesnakes and scorpions or whatever”. He went on to explain that, after a show of force and a threat to Tehran,

This is a big Romney contributor speaking. So what sort of "negotiation" would Romney have with Iran?

Figure it out....










Edited by Ardy (11/12/13 12:38 AM)
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#265139 - 11/11/13 03:55 PM Re: How France Scuttled The Iran Deal at the Last Minute [Re: pdx rick]
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i am just going to surround this from all sides

in 1979 a bunch of sheep herders sent the tyrannical American imposed puppet packing ... the folks at state being their typical paranoid selves imposed sanctions in an attempt to demonstrate to the global community the American penis is larger than an Iranian goat herders penis ... these folks were proud of their accomplishment

in 1980 they found an unwitting and incompetent accomplice in an a circuitous attempt to overthrow the goat herders which unbelievably failed

by 2005 the Israelis had finally convinced the sycophants in Congress that Iran was about to drop bombs on Israel ... the vice of sanctions was tightened even more

by 2011 it became clear Iran was not about to drop a bomb on anyone and yet American diplomats were still trying to dismount the sheep rangers from their sheep

so we find ourselves here today in a negotiation which is so ironical it should conjure images of a mouse that roared ... think so a second and consider this ... Iranian leaders have since 1979 stated unequivocally that they are not interested in nuclear weapons as it would offend their religious sensibilities ... at no time since has any nuclear monitoring team found any evidence of Iran working on nuclear weapons (I will discount the solo Mossad source which says otherwise for obvious reasons)

so we have a country which does not have nuclear weapons nor are they working on them negotiating something they don't have nor are working on for a reduction in sanctions which were initially imposed because some deadhead at state wanted everyone to know his penis was larger than a goat herders penis

and just when it appeared a deal would be made we have anti-denouement in the form of a French savior making American conservatives ejaculate ... losing face ... regaining face ... telephone calls in the middle of the night ... secret deals

folks this is as surreal as any dali
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