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#266327 - 12/11/13 04:23 PM "Federalism" and States rights.
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Perhaps others have noticed the frequent appearance of "Federalist" as part of the conservative meme.

If you check out The Federalist society, you will see that they are an explicitly conservative org. link

I found this all to be a little confusing, since I had always thought of federalism as a concept that emphasized the role of the federal gov.

But apparently the roots are here
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In The Federalist Papers, ratification proponent Alexander Hamilton explained the limitations this clause placed on the proposed federal government, describing that acts of the federal government were binding on the states and the people therein only if the act was in pursuance of constitutionally granted powers, and juxtaposing acts which exceeded those bounds as "void and of no force":

But it will not follow from this doctrine that acts of the large society which are not pursuant to its constitutional powers, but which are invasions of the residuary authorities of the smaller societies, will become the supreme law of the land. These will be merely acts of usurpation, and will deserve to be treated as such
wiki link

The above quote was found on the Wiki page about States rights.

The phrase "states rights" has a few unpleasant connotations it seems. And so "Federalism" is the alternative word that is now used in place of states' rights.

But if you look at the above link on The federalist Society, it becomes clear that they are not just talking about states rights, but about the broader concept of moving power away from the central gov. to States, and local gov. And ultimately to individual sovereign citizens.

At this moment I am not saying that is good or bad. Just pointing out what lies behind the rhetoric of "federalism"
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#266330 - 12/11/13 05:09 PM Re: "Federalism" and States rights. [Re: Ardy]
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It has always been of private amusement to me that the "Federalist Society" is the modern embodiment of the "anti-federalist " viewpoint. This may be the example that most corporate/conservative PACS use to create "reasonable" names to obscure organizations that pursue the opposite agenda (a la, "fair and balanced.") (See, e.g., Americans for Prosperity, Campaign for Working Families, Citizens United Political Victory Fund, Eagle Forum, Move America Forward.)
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#266338 - 12/11/13 07:47 PM Re: "Federalism" and States rights. [Re: NW Ponderer]
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the "anti-federalist " viewpoint

I have convinced myself that a huge number of conservatives, who claim vehemently their belief in the Constitution, actually would have voted against ratification of the Constitution.
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#266340 - 12/11/13 09:08 PM Re: "Federalism" and States rights. [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
I have convinced myself that a huge number of conservatives, who claim vehemently their belief in the Constitution, actually would have voted against ratification of the Constitution....
if they had even the slightest idea what was actually in it.
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#266341 - 12/11/13 09:41 PM Re: "Federalism" and States rights. [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
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the "anti-federalist " viewpoint

I have convinced myself that a huge number of conservatives, who claim vehemently their belief in the Constitution, actually would have voted against ratification of the Constitution.

Indeed, mainly because said Constitution was written by some new agey enlightenment deist dudes.
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#266342 - 12/11/13 09:45 PM Re: "Federalism" and States rights. [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Originally Posted By: rporter314
I have convinced myself that a huge number of conservatives, who claim vehemently their belief in the Constitution, actually would have voted against ratification of the Constitution....
if they had even the slightest idea what was actually in it.

...just throw around some words like "God" and terms like "Christianity is the only real religion" and "right to bear arms" and 3/5th human vote and liebrul voter fraud ID prevention libel and corporations are people my friend and Creator hates mooselins, and they'd be all good with it. smile
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