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#266328 - 12/11/13 05:01 PM The New Budget Deal
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I cannot provide the link right now, but I wanted to start a thread to discuss the Murray-Ryan budger deal. Will it pass? Should it pass? Who wins? Who loses?

I am personally of two minds: on the one hand, having the issue off the table for two years will provide needed stability and allow the focus to shift to real-world priorities. On the other, it solves none of the underlying issues, and "bakes in" too much of the sequester mentality, and bad fiscal trade-offs.
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#266334 - 12/11/13 05:58 PM Re: The New Budget Deal [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Yeah, it has some problems. But better than the alternative of ongoing threats of gov shut down and default.

It is the best we can do at this time. And overall I am sort of amazed that any deal was possible. Maybe only because boehner let Ryan take the lead. And Ryan realized that any hope he has for higher office rests on showing some ability to do something
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#266344 - 12/11/13 10:18 PM Re: The New Budget Deal [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I haven't read the proposal but have paid a little attention to the response from Republicans

the folks who saw sequester as a better option than finding a budget deal are in charge ... don;t expect [you can finish this comment]
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#266346 - 12/11/13 10:45 PM Re: The New Budget Deal [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I have not been able to relocate the link that had a four-page summary of the major provisions. Has anyone else seen/read that? A link would be helpful, if anyone can supply it.
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#266378 - 12/12/13 05:18 PM Re: The New Budget Deal [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
I have not been able to relocate the link that had a four-page summary of the major provisions. Has anyone else seen/read that? A link would be helpful, if anyone can supply it.


here you go

washington post link
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#266385 - 12/12/13 08:12 PM Re: The New Budget Deal [Re: NW Ponderer]
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After 5 years of the righteous right stopping ANYTHING the Obama administration might want, or agree to, the worm seems to be turning. I suspect this thing will pass as its the first artifact of of even vague reason. There is also some indication that even those that elected the crazies are getting slightly anxious (last I heard maybe 14% of their seats may be in danger). So, the politicals that brought us the "stealth candidate" are, I think, starting to work their magic before the 2014 elections. Given the short memory span of the American electorate, this brief evidence of 'reasonable', on the part of the righteous right, just might be enough to get them all re-elected.

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