Current Topics
NFL - the league that can't shoot straight
by Ken Condon
Today at 02:12 AM
SICKENING: Conservatives claim MLK as their own
by Jeffery J. Haas
Today at 01:40 AM
'A Walk in the Woods' film drawing mixed reviews
by Golem
Yesterday at 09:53 PM
Joni Ernst, Really?
by Scoutgal
Yesterday at 08:24 PM
Elizabeth Warren Proposes Big Pharma 'Swear Jar' To Fund Medical Research
by Scoutgal
Yesterday at 05:03 PM
Vermont High Schoolers Just Destroy Fox News About The Ethics Of Journalism
by Scoutgal
Yesterday at 04:48 PM
Oil and gas are good - solar is not
by Scoutgal
Yesterday at 04:47 PM
Islamic Terror and Reckless Rhetoric on the Far Right
by Scoutgal
Yesterday at 04:46 PM
Round Table for January 2015!
by Scoutgal
Yesterday at 04:22 PM
NETANYAHU 2015 - The Stage is Set
by pdx rick
01/23/15 03:12 AM
George Bush Pedophile Sex Ring and Blackmail of Congress
by Ardy
01/22/15 06:01 PM
militia. origins and effectiveness
by Spag-hetti
01/21/15 11:37 PM
Dear Sarah Palin: I Guess Size DOES Matter
by pdx rick
01/20/15 03:09 AM
Wall St. falls, led by decline in energy shares
by jgw
01/19/15 05:46 PM
Dallas County Sued for Violating the Voting Rights of White People
by Spag-hetti
01/19/15 12:30 PM
Forum Stats
6003 Members
55 Forums
14549 Topics
249689 Posts

Max Online: 282 @ 05/29/08 01:08 AM
Google Adsense
Topic Options
#268689 - 02/24/14 08:56 AM The Deep State
logtroll Offline
old hand

Registered: 04/25/10
Posts: 6578
Loc: New Mexico (not old Mexico)
Anatomy of the Deep State
Quote:
Yes, there is another government concealed behind the one that is visible at either end of Pennsylvania Avenue, a hybrid entity of public and private institutions ruling the country according to consistent patterns in season and out, connected to, but only intermittently controlled by, the visible state whose leaders we choose. My analysis of this phenomenon is not an exposé of a secret, conspiratorial cabal; the state within a state is hiding mostly in plain sight, and its operators mainly act in the light of day.
_________________________
"You can't fix a problem until you know what the problem is." Logtroll

Top
#268690 - 02/24/14 12:11 PM Re: The Deep State [Re: logtroll]
NW Ponderer Offline
Moderator
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 09/09/11
Posts: 12099
This may be one of the most relevant essays I have read in a very long time. It is time to think long and hard about how this has happened, and what, if anything, can be done about it.

Frequently, here on RR, we lament the inability of "the government" to do anything, and alternatively, decry the intrusion of government into our lives. Both are very relevant complaints. But, there are far greater intrusions, and far more dysfunction, that are the result of the accretion of "hangers-on." Consider, for a moment, that there are nearly a million government contractor employees that are not under the direct control of the governments upon whom they feed. The botched ACA roll-out was a direct result of that failure of control, and the abandonment of that control to third-party agencies. Edward Snowden was a contractor employee. Half of the Iraq force, and most of the Iraq problems, were third-party contractors.

But it is not all about contractors. There are lobbyists that control government policy for the benefit of their industry or corporation. There are congresscritters who essentially work for one industry or another. The failures of AIG, Lehman Brothers, etc., were bailed out with tax payer money and for the benefit of the industry. There is a complete symbiotic relationship between Treasury and big financial institutions. This is a really, really, good essay for making one think.
_________________________
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.

Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich

Top
#268691 - 02/24/14 12:51 PM Re: The Deep State [Re: logtroll]
Ardy Offline
veteran

Registered: 12/22/05
Posts: 11787
Loc: San Jose, Ca USA
Thx for the link to this excellent article. I recommend that people make the tine investment required to read a very long piece

My own views on the topic had already shifted. From watching the video "Dirty. wars" from Netflix. The apparatus of things like the Cold War, war on drugs. And the war on terror aquire their own momentum of expansion and persistence beyond their founding logic or operational results.

As the linked article implies. These juggernauts of group think do not need elaborate conspiracies or venal leaders or even a mass of unthinking functionaries. Ultimately they generate their own reality; an ocean of prevailing wisdom in which a diverse ecosystem evolves and is nurtured.

To some degree we all wind up swimming in that ocean. It is an enoois impediment to meaningful democracy. Even to the degree that we see the problem and attempt to change course. Still our elected leaders are swamped in a sea of expert advisors who inevitably guide them back on the orthodoxy of prevailing wisdom.


Edited by Ardy (02/24/14 01:00 PM)
_________________________
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly;
Man got to sit and wonder ‘why, why, why?’
Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land;
Man got to tell himself he understand

kurt Vonnegut

Top
#268718 - 02/25/14 04:25 PM Re: The Deep State [Re: logtroll]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline
veteran

Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 10566
Loc: Downey, California
Quote:
These juggernauts of group think do not need elaborate conspiracies or venal leaders or even a mass of unthinking functionaries. Ultimately they generate their own reality; an ocean of prevailing wisdom in which a diverse ecosystem evolves and is nurtured.


Bow Bow Bow

Hence the New Folklore about how Republicans are the party of inclusion and diversity, and not racist at all, and the Grand Mal Hissy Fit of the Early Twenty-First Century:

"Hitler was a Socialist"

(which by the way, has gained enough ground that it's damn near accepted as universal truth on the right)
_________________________
"For the primitive mind, myth must explain everything, or it explains nothing."

---Claude Levi-Strauss

Top

Who's Online
0 registered (), 18 Guests and 6 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
xiawei, Marzman, kyleyoung8, Retread, solafeian
6003 Registered Users
A2