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#268689 - 02/24/14 08:56 AM The Deep State
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Anatomy of the Deep State
Yes, there is another government concealed behind the one that is visible at either end of Pennsylvania Avenue, a hybrid entity of public and private institutions ruling the country according to consistent patterns in season and out, connected to, but only intermittently controlled by, the visible state whose leaders we choose. My analysis of this phenomenon is not an exposť of a secret, conspiratorial cabal; the state within a state is hiding mostly in plain sight, and its operators mainly act in the light of day.
"You can't fix a problem until you know what the problem is." Logtroll

#268690 - 02/24/14 12:11 PM Re: The Deep State [Re: logtroll]
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This may be one of the most relevant essays I have read in a very long time. It is time to think long and hard about how this has happened, and what, if anything, can be done about it.

Frequently, here on RR, we lament the inability of "the government" to do anything, and alternatively, decry the intrusion of government into our lives. Both are very relevant complaints. But, there are far greater intrusions, and far more dysfunction, that are the result of the accretion of "hangers-on." Consider, for a moment, that there are nearly a million government contractor employees that are not under the direct control of the governments upon whom they feed. The botched ACA roll-out was a direct result of that failure of control, and the abandonment of that control to third-party agencies. Edward Snowden was a contractor employee. Half of the Iraq force, and most of the Iraq problems, were third-party contractors.

But it is not all about contractors. There are lobbyists that control government policy for the benefit of their industry or corporation. There are congresscritters who essentially work for one industry or another. The failures of AIG, Lehman Brothers, etc., were bailed out with tax payer money and for the benefit of the industry. There is a complete symbiotic relationship between Treasury and big financial institutions. This is a really, really, good essay for making one think.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.

Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich

#268691 - 02/24/14 12:51 PM Re: The Deep State [Re: logtroll]
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Registered: 12/22/05
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Loc: San Jose, Ca USA
Thx for the link to this excellent article. I recommend that people make the tine investment required to read a very long piece

My own views on the topic had already shifted. From watching the video "Dirty. wars" from Netflix. The apparatus of things like the Cold War, war on drugs. And the war on terror aquire their own momentum of expansion and persistence beyond their founding logic or operational results.

As the linked article implies. These juggernauts of group think do not need elaborate conspiracies or venal leaders or even a mass of unthinking functionaries. Ultimately they generate their own reality; an ocean of prevailing wisdom in which a diverse ecosystem evolves and is nurtured.

To some degree we all wind up swimming in that ocean. It is an enoois impediment to meaningful democracy. Even to the degree that we see the problem and attempt to change course. Still our elected leaders are swamped in a sea of expert advisors who inevitably guide them back on the orthodoxy of prevailing wisdom.

Edited by Ardy (02/24/14 01:00 PM)
"It's not a lie if you believe it." -- George Costanza
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. --Bertrand Russel

#268718 - 02/25/14 04:25 PM Re: The Deep State [Re: logtroll]
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These juggernauts of group think do not need elaborate conspiracies or venal leaders or even a mass of unthinking functionaries. Ultimately they generate their own reality; an ocean of prevailing wisdom in which a diverse ecosystem evolves and is nurtured.

Bow Bow Bow

Hence the New Folklore about how Republicans are the party of inclusion and diversity, and not racist at all, and the Grand Mal Hissy Fit of the Early Twenty-First Century:

"Hitler was a Socialist"

(which by the way, has gained enough ground that it's damn near accepted as universal truth on the right)
"Anti-intellectualism has long been the "anti-semitism" of the businessman."
---Arthur Schlesinger


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