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#270137 - 04/21/14 11:23 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: Ma_Republican]
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Originally Posted By: Ma_Republican
Why is the BLM armed?
Because they are BLM law enforcement officers. They were there to enforce the law.

Law enforcement. Cops. Evicting trespass cattle from public land. Enforcing the law. They're not British, so most folks would expect them to be armed with more than a billy club.

Why were a bunch of armed civilians there, on public land, with high powered rifles aimed at law enforcement officers who were enforcing the law? What principle or law were they enforcing?

I know, you have a blinding prejudice against the gummit and so everything the gummit does is bad. But that doesn't make you right, it just makes you a sucker for the Koch brothers white line.

Now back to the economics question, Mr. Fiscal Conservative - why do you sympathize with a blatant recipient of government welfare? You really must come to grips with that before your head blows up. smile
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#270139 - 04/21/14 11:51 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: logtroll]
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Just in case the concept hasn't penetrated your anti-gummit alternative universe yet; BLM Law Enforcement
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#270140 - 04/22/14 12:25 AM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: pdx rick]
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Ma
If you do not care how the states acquire federal land
I suggest we agree that the states will buy the land
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#270141 - 04/22/14 12:59 AM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: Ardy]
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I'm thinking about this and why MaR still has heartburn with the BLM, even though he agrees that Bundy is a deadbeat and the malicia folks aren't necessarily doing the right thing. Ardy is hunting the state ownership thing.

So it seems to boil down to this: MaR believes the BLM shouldn't have brought guns to a law enforcement action and the Federal government shouldn't own the land.

I can't think of any basis in the law, or logic, that supports these two beliefs.

Is there any?

Why isn't MaR more upset that civilians brought weapons to a legitimate enforcement proceeding occurring on public land and threatened officers of the law?

Why doesn't MaR care about the fiscal implications of the whole event? Hmm

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#270142 - 04/22/14 01:50 AM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: pdx rick]
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#270143 - 04/22/14 01:51 AM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: pdx rick]
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possibly ma wants his taxes to subsidize bundy's debts to the us gov
maybe a bill to do this can be introduced by house tea party republicans
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#270145 - 04/22/14 12:15 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: Ma_Republican
Why is the BLM armed?
Because they are BLM law enforcement officers. They were there to enforce the law.

Law enforcement. Cops. Evicting trespass cattle from public land. Enforcing the law. They're not British, so most folks would expect them to be armed with more than a billy club.

Why were a bunch of armed civilians there, on public land, with high powered rifles aimed at law enforcement officers who were enforcing the law? What principle or law were they enforcing?

I know, you have a blinding prejudice against the gummit and so everything the gummit does is bad. But that doesn't make you right, it just makes you a sucker for the Koch brothers white line.

Now back to the economics question, Mr. Fiscal Conservative - why do you sympathize with a blatant recipient of government welfare? You really must come to grips with that before your head blows up. smile



So, you have no problem with the government arming all of their management departments? How about we arm the OMB? They have, after all, management in their name. Or how about we arm EPA, they have an important job to do when they plant evidence. The real question is why are all of these agencies armed to begin with? I trust a bunch of armed civilians more than I trust a bunch of armed government employees. In general, armed civilians are much safer to be around than armed feds.

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Now back to the economics question, Mr. Fiscal Conservative - why do you sympathize with a blatant recipient of government welfare? You really must come to grips with that before your head blows up


If Bundy is using federal land to graze what is the damage? He actually produces something that contributes to the economy. I have no problem charging him to graze his cattle, I have a problem with the Federal government owning 87% of a state's land.

The Federal government is supposed to be a governing body, not a landlord. They own military bases, official offices and national parks. They should not be the majority land owner in a state. Actually, they shouldn't be a minority large enough to potentially damage the viability of any state.

Do you really care if Bundy lets his cattle graze on lane that is undeveloped and probably better suited for grazing than anything else? This isn't about corporate welfare, this is about common sense. Turn the land over to NV and let them collect the grazing fees, or not collect them if they so choose.
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#270146 - 04/22/14 12:59 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: Ma_Republican]
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How stupid of me... I have been talking out loud to a box of rocks.

I recall this dynamic from past "dialogues" with MaR. One can make a case using facts, metaphor, and links, only to find that none of it has been understood - perhaps not even read.

Pointed questions asked and ignored.

It's a world where ignorant opinion, often based on fantasy, is unassailable.

Oh well, I had fun trying. rolleyes
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#270154 - 04/22/14 10:03 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: logtroll]
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Local TV Station Sheds Doubt On Bundy's Claims About His Family Ranch

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Bundy said that his rights predate the formation of the Bureau of Land Management, and he has refused to pay more than $1 million in cattle grazing fees.

"My rights are before the BLM even existed, but my rights are created by beneficial use. Beneficial use means we created the forage and the water from the time the very first pioneers come here," Bundy said.

But court records obtained by KLAS indicated the family's cattle didn't begin grazing the land until 1954. The Bureau of Land Management was created in 1946 (the same year Cliven Bundy was born.)
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#270155 - 04/22/14 10:07 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: Scoutgal]
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