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#270582 - 05/10/14 03:27 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: logtroll]
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I live in a chapparel ecosystem. Long ago, there were always small fires that cleaned out the dodder that built up. That is a natural happening. Some seed pods of the indigenous trees won't even open up without a fire. But because man has built in these areas, fires don't happen every season. Pair that with the pollutants causing climate change, and we end up with huge fires that can rage out of control. Man doing this and taking up more and more room in the wild has also caused the wildlife to interact more and more with humans at their peril. The extreme drought has also force wildlife to come into town looking to quench their thirst.
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#270616 - 05/11/14 12:38 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: Scoutgal]
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"Bundy's Buddies" are snortin' koch...

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This network of so-called ‘Bundy’s Buddies’ includes the Koch-funded organization Americans for Prosperity, U.S. Senator and presidential hopeful Rand Paul (R-KY), Utah Congressman Rob Bishop (R-UT), and Utah State Representative Ken Ivory. Ivory leads the American Lands Council — a group dedicated to advocating for the seizure of federal lands.
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#270658 - 05/13/14 03:58 AM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: pdx rick]
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According to the L.A. Times, Bundy’s son Aamon was attending a rally over Recapture Canyon on Saturday when San Juan County Commissioner Phil Lyman suggested the brave patriots ride their ATVs into the canyon, but avoid the restricted areas of sacred Navajo burial grounds. The response? Aww HELL no!

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Many in the crowd booed. Wielding a pocket-sized Constitution, Bundy said that the land belonged to San Juan County residents and that they had a right to ride it.

One man said: “Rosa Parks didn’t have a case until she sat in the front of the bus.” Another added: “The BLM has guns and mace and Tasers and shackles, but we’ve got guns too!

It's getting really annoying that this Sagebrush Guy Fawkes Cliven guy and his malitias minions are distracting us good folks from BENGHAZI!!111!!!!!1!
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#270665 - 05/13/14 01:29 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: pdx rick]
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Because their pea brains are so small, they can't appreciate the irony that their disrespect for native culture is exactly why they are still federal lands. If it weren't for federal treaties, the land would still be Navajo, much less county. Of course, I wouldn't expect the brain dead Bundy to sire or raise a son who exceeded his intellectual capacity. Who says Neanderthals died out?

I think the Commissioner realized that State and local laws also protect those sites. The Bundyites are all just thugs, it turns out.
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#270668 - 05/13/14 02:53 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: pdx rick]
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I wonder what would happen if someone unloaded some cattle to have the graze the public bundy range. What if a few of those cattle had some disease. Hoof and mouth maybe
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#270669 - 05/13/14 02:58 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: pdx rick]
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I wonder which if any public lands are off limits to the bundy bunch?

Maybe they could ride dirt bikes through the Gettysburg battle field.
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#270671 - 05/13/14 04:43 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: pdx rick]
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So...I see no one has mentioned if they plan to go to Bundyfest. LOL

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#270673 - 05/13/14 07:47 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
So...I see no one has mentioned if they plan to go to Bundyfest. LOL

What if I told you that Jesus was going to be there?

I'd say you were a special kind of crazy. smile
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#270676 - 05/14/14 01:13 AM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: pdx rick]
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Fwiw
Recently reading about libertarianism

It's roots are actually socialist revolution against the slavery of the commercial industrial state

Later in USA it was reinvented based upon the core value of property rights

I mention this
Because even though the logic is bizarre
Still it seems to be one of the central issue for the bundiy
Both on their ranch
And the general idea that' fed gov cannot own land or tell locals what to do on it
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#270678 - 05/14/14 03:19 AM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: pdx rick]
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It's interesting, when I took a class on formal logic in college I remember how many steps there were in some proofs, and how you could go 5-7 steps before you found the fatal flaw. In the Bundy case, there is only one step.
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