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#269932 - 04/14/14 02:31 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: pdx rick]
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Clive Bundy doesn't need to be in the papers, he needs to be in skool. He's an idjit, an' needs sum edjimacation. Ah thinks the best edjimacation is had in jail. He'd larn a thing 'er two about "constraints on liberty," then.
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#269933 - 04/14/14 02:46 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Yup. I was contemplating his "position" this morning and wondered how you can have a right to 600,000 acres that you never paid for, don't have title to, and don't pay taxes on. What makes him so special that he has that right, yet nobody else does?

I did a little research on the history of the BLM over the weekend and, though the designated BLM has only been in existence since the late 1940's, it is the latest iteration in a long string of federal managers of that land, which entered the "ownership" of the U.S. long ago and was never transferred to other ownership. The Bundy family has always had to get some kind of permission from the federal government to use it.

Wonder if Cliven would rather pay property taxes on that land for the last 100 years, or if the $1.35 per AUM (animal unit month) grazing fee was cheaper (if he had been paying it).

Cows don't belong in that dry ecosystem, in any case, and never did belong there. It takes around 100 acres to support a cow there for part of the year. If Bundy had not been subsidized by the gummit he hates so much, he would have been out of business long ago.
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#269934 - 04/14/14 03:07 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Clive Bundy doesn't need to be in the papers, he needs to be in skool. He's an idjit, an' needs sum edjimacation. Ah thinks the best edjimacation is had in jail. He'd larn a thing 'er two about "constraints on liberty," then.

Probably home-schooled. T-Partiers are into that sort of thing. coffee
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#269935 - 04/14/14 03:13 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: pdx rick]
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It's part of that whole "inbreeding" thang.
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#269936 - 04/14/14 03:18 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
It's part of that whole "inbreeding" thang.

LOL Incest: It's a game the whole family can play. gobsmacked
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#269937 - 04/14/14 03:30 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: pdx rick]
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I didn't watch all of this, but the two fellers give us more insight into their perspective and motivation. The first guy is having second thoughts about the Great Victory of U.S. Citizens against the evil gummit - thinks they might have been rubes. He also complains about bein' rilly tard an' havin' to sleep on the ground an' gittin' bit by lots little bugs. Guess the life of the rebel don't suit him none too well.

The second guy is all about how the militiaboys had 20 BLM youngsters outgunned 500 to 20 and had them "dead to rights" in inescapable crossfire if "they had tried anything". That's a little different than the po' ranchers a gittin' bullied by the armed feds narrative. His unquenched desire to have murdered all the BLMers is palpable.

Crazy bastids - I don't know how we have survived as a species for so long.

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#269939 - 04/14/14 03:58 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: pdx rick]
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Duck dynasty, kinda says it all, don't it?
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#269945 - 04/14/14 11:11 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: pdx rick]
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18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

you the reader decide


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#269947 - 04/14/14 11:42 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: rporter314]
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As I understand it, the ownership and the fees in arrears have already been litigated. I'm not citin' because I'm clarifyin'. A court has already decided. Law enforcement, BLM, whoever, is, after due warning, carrying out the decision of the court.

Time to look to the law. Unless somebody has something better, I'll take rporter's legal quote. The Bundy family certainly seems to be breaking some serious laws.

As for the others present? We all know how ill informed some people are. I bet they thought they were coming to the rescue of the downtrodden.

In the video I saw on TV, one of the demonstrators was obviously coaching the others -- shouting instructions, giving strategy explanations, videoing statements. Wonder where he got his expertise.
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#269948 - 04/15/14 01:29 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: rporter314]
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I would think that before committing a flagrant act of sedition that one would carefully examine the facts to determine if the cause was defensible and winnable under the Constitution, or if the underlying rationale was based upon alternative interpretations of the law, which have not prevailed in the last 225 years.

But there I go, thinking, when action is the word of the day.

Tantrums have their place as well, and almost always work to resolve issues. And what recourse have the jack-booted federal thugs left the cow-boys, with their illegal attempt to enforce the law? The BLM, with their unfair position of having the law on their side, is forcing the cow-boys and maliciousmen to throw a tantrum.

I shall go and join the revolution, as soon as I can get away. I believe I will stay in Vegas, though, having heard about the bugs and heat and stuff out there in the desert - maybe catch a Cirque du Soleil show during the the gaps in the action.
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