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#270406 - 05/03/14 12:24 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: pdx rick]
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Pretend Army Boys Can’t Play Nice at Bundy Ranch; Factions Splinter over Drone Paranoia
It's breathtaking watching history in the making - these brave men and women are the New Founding Fathers, in justified revolt against tyranny, aka America Gone Bad.

What a historical eye-opener to realize that the self-same high level discussions were going on in 1776; defining what a traitor is (anyone who goes against established authority), setting conditions for shooting your collaborators in the back, forbidding junkets to local motels and restaurants because it's not allowed to leave the "kill zone" when a fantasy drone strike is imminent.

I can't wait until the Youtube debates begin about how to structure the government of the New Nation!
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#270407 - 05/03/14 01:36 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The weird thing is, although these nuts want "martyrs" none of them wants to be the martyr. If it came to a real fight, they would run away. Bring around a real SWAT team and watch them scatter. They s*** their pants.


Oh didn't you hear? These Malicious Men are going to make martyrs of their women, when they put them on the Front Lines.
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#270408 - 05/03/14 01:39 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
...defining what a traitor is (anyone who goes against established authority), setting conditions for shooting your collaborators in the back...

That stuck out me too especially given that said "traitor" is a member of a group consisting of current and formerly serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters.

Besides, I thought cowards shot folks in the back. Hmm
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#270409 - 05/03/14 01:43 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: Scoutgal]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
The weird thing is, although these nuts want "martyrs" none of them wants to be the martyr. If it came to a real fight, they would run away. Bring around a real SWAT team and watch them scatter. They s*** their pants.

Their hoverounds couldn't drive away fast enough and their Depend® would fill quite fast. wink
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#270410 - 05/03/14 01:46 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: pdx rick]
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...Besides, I thought cowards shot folks in the back. Hmm

My understanding is that if you are the self-proclaimed established authority, then you are duty bound to shoot cowards in the back as they are scuttling off for hot showers, a greasy meal, and a bed... oh yeah, and because they were running scared from a drone strike that the established authorities were fantasizing about. Hmm
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#270411 - 05/03/14 01:52 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: california rick
...Besides, I thought cowards shot folks in the back. Hmm

My understanding is that if you are the self-proclaimed established authority, then you are duty bound to shoot cowards in the back as they are scuttling off for hot showers, a greasy meal, and a bed... oh yeah, and because they were running scared from a drone strike that the established authorities were fantasizing about. Hmm

F 'in paranoid Wingnuts, like Obama is going to drone them. Oh wait. idea , cool
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#270413 - 05/03/14 02:15 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: pdx rick]
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Here's the reason for shooting the defecting, traitorous, provocateurs in the back - it's in the gol-danged Constitution, fer chrissakes:
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A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Them Oaf Creepers ain't well regulated!
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#270414 - 05/03/14 02:35 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
Here's the reason for shooting the defecting, traitorous, provocateurs in the back - it's in the gol-danged Constitution, fer chrissakes:
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A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Them Oaf Creepers ain't well regulated!

I thought Wingnuts hated regulation. Wish they'd make up their minds... crazy
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#270486 - 05/06/14 02:39 AM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: pdx rick]
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There is absolutely no difference between Cliven Bundy and his little band of merry men and a warlord in Waziristan, a pseudo-nation attached to Pakistan which only answered to the authority of Osama bin Laden.

Thus Cliven Bundy IS the domestic equivalent of Osama bin Laden and his militia leaders are modern day warlords, in the United States of America, in 2014.

Like I said, they will screw up.
Actually I may have used saltier language but you get the idea.
They're either going to try to detain the wrong person or persons, and it will become their worst nightmare, or they're going to shoot an innocent person, also their worst nightmare.

What do they dream of? Their dream is for big bad gubmint to descend upon them guns blazing, because then they can all become martyrs, which would cause their support from other equally deranged nutjobs to rise exponentially.

What do they fear? Spilling innocent blood because they know that the moment they do (and they WILL, mark my words) the government will have every reason to DO JUST THAT, and turn their little fiefdom into the domestic equivalent of the Iraq Highway of Death.
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#270523 - 05/08/14 02:44 PM Re: Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
There is absolutely no difference between Cliven Bundy and his little band of merry men and a warlord in Waziristan
Indeed:
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A warlord is a person with power who has both military and civil[1] control over a subnational area due to armed forces loyal to the warlord and not to a central authority. The term can also mean one who espouses the ideal that war is necessary, and has the means and authority to engage in war. Today, the word has a strong connotation that the person exercises far more power than their official title or rank legitimately permits. Under feudalism, by contrast, the local military leader may enjoy great autonomy and a personal army, and still derive legitimacy from formal fealty to a central authority.
Wikipedia

Not that I expect these idjits to understand the ramifications of their actions, but they are so far from "patriots" that it is like the term "moderate Republican." This is nothing but a criminal conspiracy, and has (apparently) involved armed assault on civilians. Not sure when, but I suspect they will wait them out, let them run out of money and patience, and arrest them quietly when they get home. I expect there will be many prosecutions.
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