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#271247 - 06/06/14 02:18 PM Maureen Dowd, Junior Doper
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I don't believe Maureen Dowd's story about overdosing on edible marijuana. I mean, this overdose sure gave her story a different twist. She got to be the subject of her own story. Other reporters cast the spotlight on the market, the marketers, and/or the consumers, she kept the spotlight on herself and her so called overdose.

What is unbelievable? Well, she supposedly used it before, but couldn't roll a joint and didn't think of buying one of those little glass one-hit thingies.

Also, I thought reporters were supposed to be good listeners. She was given lots of information and warnings before she decided to indulge.

She didn't mention if she had been drinking alone in her motel room before she decided to scarf a 16-serving medicinal candy bar. Maybe she did just eat one serving and then got the munchies and couldn't resist having more, which gave her worse munchies, etc. Most people like to have a friend or two around when they do recreational drugs. A friend could have told her, "No, you're still alive, I can see you breathing." Partying alone makes her story kind of sad.

It's also unbelievable because my researchers tell me that edibles are more of a body high than a brain high ... lots of relaxing. I can't find anybody who EVER hallucinated on pot. And I know people who definitely tried to overdose.

I think she's anti-pot and wanted to write something really scary. Maybe she needs another award.
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#271257 - 06/06/14 03:32 PM Re: Maureen Dowd, Junior Doper [Re: Spag-hetti]
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Spag, with respect, did you actually read her article? What you describe and what she describes are quite similar. Yes, she used the word "hallucination" but it was a single word, and, in context, did not describe an LSD-type experience, but was a novice's description of how it felt to be "out of control." Nor, does the second article (and related articles) contradict what she described. Her experience is actually pretty common.

Look, there are a lot of reporters (and others) who are "experimenting" with legal marijuana for the first time and describing their experiences. She makes some valid points in her article, and it is not, in my opinion, nearly as harsh as you have described. She raises some serious points - points, by the way, also made by many marijuana advocates: That potency is not uniform, that many edible users are not using them in the same way as social users, and that newbies don't recognize the risks of overdosing. We're entering a new world here.
The real problem, mostly because of government interference, is that there has not been a lot of legitimate research into the effects of marijuana/THC on a large, diverse population of users. You are right that most users have traditionally partaken in social atmospheres, and with that all of the attendant "assistance" of others - but we have entered a new era here, and the user experience is going to change. It has more to do with the law of unintended consequences than drug laws. wink

By the way, who are your "researchers"? I ask because I have done a lot of research (professionally - in defending Soldiers - not personally), and, basically, because I'm an opinionated know-it-all. There are a lot of physiological effects of THC (which can include hallucinations, by the way, Cannabis Hallucinations, a real possibility? - there are many more like this). Ingestion tends to elongate the experience, but does not change the basic effects of THC. ANYthing taken to extremes can have untoward effects - it's called toxicity. I am being pedantic, because that's my nature.

My basic point is: be nice to Maureen, she's a noob.
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#271272 - 06/06/14 05:36 PM Re: Maureen Dowd, Junior Doper [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I don't know. Taking 16 doses. In a room alone. And that leads us to question the consistency of dosage. I don't think inconsistency was the problem.

I guess I don't like someone carelessly ODing and bringing heat down on the industry.
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#271276 - 06/06/14 05:55 PM Re: Maureen Dowd, Junior Doper [Re: Spag-hetti]
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But did she? She pointed out issues that are germane, and also acknowledged by "the industry". Isn't that what reporting is supposed to do? It wasn't a 'hit piece' by any stretch of the imagination, although some felt it harsh and amateurish. She made a noob mistake, as many others have as well.

Most people, including I suspect nearly all of the voters who approved the new laws, think of the weed of the 70's when they think of marijuana. What is available today is nothing like that. In the 70's, street weed had a potency of 2.5% THC - about the same as a can of beer. Today most products have a concentration upwards of 27% - about the equivalent of a 12-pack. Consider the implications of that. (I am basing this on actual scientific work, not just opinionating.) Moreover, many products are being manufactured with hash oil which is even more potent.

We should expect that many, many more consumers will be of the Maureen Dowd level of sophistication than of you and I. It is not that I oppose liberalization, it is that it has occurred out of context and without aforethought. These are anticipated consequences of excessive exuberance. There are many issues that have yet to be dealt with in the rush to market. We're about where we were with cigarettes in the 1920's.
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#271277 - 06/06/14 06:19 PM Re: Maureen Dowd, Junior Doper [Re: Spag-hetti]
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Originally Posted By: Spag-hetti
I think she's anti-pot and wanted to write something really scary.

The Wingnuts at Greta's have been pushing the 'over dose on pot' meme ever since recreational pot was legalized in Colorado.

Write something scary? Who in their right mind would buy into fear-based propaganda? coffee

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#271280 - 06/06/14 06:57 PM Re: Maureen Dowd, Junior Doper [Re: Spag-hetti]
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One can get extremely ovesstoned by consuming cannabis. Way more so than by smoking it. Especially for a novice as Ms. Doud claims to be.

I used to use cannabis but quit many years ago simply because I didnít enjoy the high and where it took me mentally. But when one smokes it one can titrate the dose and stop after, say, three hits. But when one eats it there is no top limit to the high. And there is no way to turn back as it is already in your system. And you continue to come on for hours.

I have experienced an overdose of cannabis before but as I was still a smoker when I did that. I found it to be enjoyable and got higher than I ever imagined I could. But I have had friends tell me they have gotten way way too stoned by consuming it and the high they experienced was psychedelic, disorienting, and scary beyond the point of enjoyment.

When one consumes cannabis it is important to monitor the dose unless one doesnít care if beyond the sky is the limit. But itís not for me.
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#271282 - 06/06/14 07:37 PM Re: Maureen Dowd, Junior Doper [Re: Ken Condon]
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Never overdosed, but sure have tried
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#271283 - 06/06/14 07:40 PM Re: Maureen Dowd, Junior Doper [Re: Spag-hetti]
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The first recreational drug I ever tried was E when I was 27. A few years later, I tried pot - just to try it. The thing is, is that I was trying to replicate the feeling I had on E with pot, and it's just not the same thing.

My friend Crystal blew the pot into my mouth, and I held it and exhaled. I didn't feel anything. Crystal and I did it again. Nothing. Again. Nothing. Again. Again. Again. Finally Crystal was getting really high, me nothing.

Then suddenly of those different tries all came on at once. Whoa! crazy

Crystal and I walked to a bar and we were not there very long and had to leave the bar because I couldn't stop laughing. She came down and wanted to go home. I was still feeling residual. I was living in Berkeley at the time and drove from Walnut Creek to Berkeley, and it felt like the white stripes in the road were about three feet off of the ground and guiding my truck so I could drive safely.

This experimentation occurred at night and it was the first time, and the only time, in my life, that I could see both sides of the freeway while looking straight ahead instead of having to move my eyes.

My vision expanded so that I could see both my left and right peripheral vision at one time. It was actually pretty cool.
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#271284 - 06/06/14 07:53 PM Re: Maureen Dowd, Junior Doper [Re: Phil Hoskins]
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The onliest time I ever et a pot brownie I went very fur away an' fer 'bout 18 hours. I wouldn't say it was bad but it was halloosinatin'.

Fer instance, I et it in the afternoon (I was a pretty much noobie) an' nuttin' was happenin' in a half hour, soze I goze to the fabric store to git sum canvas fer to make a geek vest. It starts to comin' on in the store an' the first cool effect was life went on a two second delay, meanin' that I was comprehending what was happenin' two seconds after it happened. That right there can be a leetle bit disorientatin', especially when paying' fer fabric.

I got back to the apartment and stretched out on the couch. Shortly, my vision was like lookin' at snow on an old tv set, complete with the static noise. After a while I got soze I could control the snow, which turned out to be nothing more than the picture rolling real fast - I could slow and then stop the roll in my hallucination. Very enlightening.

There was a couple a more private experiences, including some memorable action with my first ex-wife. I was still buzzing the next morning on the walk to classes.
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#271285 - 06/06/14 11:36 PM Re: Maureen Dowd, Junior Doper [Re: Spag-hetti]
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IMO the consumables can cause nasty surprises for noobies

I had a friend who took a capsule and had the equiv of a very bad trip
As others have said it is difficult to calibrate dosage and since it comes on slow it is not uncommon for people to take added or larger dosed

Generally I am in favor of legal marihuana but some caution is required
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