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#272337 - 07/06/14 02:13 PM The fading of the right
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I have mentioned this story before - mine, that is - that, before I joined the Army in 1984, I was a Republican-leaning Independent from Missouri. I went to a Christian-denomination college, held centrist-right views (the token "died-in-the-wool" conservative in law school), and supported Republican candidates in the 70s and 80s. I was never a "true-believer" Republican or conservative, but my sentiments were rightish for the time and I generally felt that Republican candidates' positions were more centrist and rational.

Over the last 30 years, as I have matured, my central tenets have not changed, but the universe around me has undergone a radical transformation. Now the central tenets I hold are deemed socialistic rather than communitarian and civic-minded. The "right", in this experience, has faded from consideration primarily because it has been coopted. There are few central-right public thinkers anymore, and little representation here at RR, either.

In various threads I have expounded on some of the applications of my views to policy, and this thread will be no exception. What I would like to do here is invite others to discuss their central beliefs and how they fit in the current context of political/philosophical thought/policy. Is there a moderate-right anymore? Can we get along? Has the rift grown so wide that the chasm can no longer be bridged?

I'll start, but I'll be brief: I believe in individual freedom and civic responsibility, that government has the responsibility to mediate the balance between and has to be "right-sized" - large enough to get the big jobs done, but small enough to be manageable and close enough to "the people" to address their needs. The ACA was, to me, exactly the kind of compromise legislation that should have exemplified this approach. Rather than mandating a universal system, it set guidelines within an existing framework, and devolved management responsibilities to States. It needed to be national in scope to address the national concern, yet it did not create a massive bureaucracy to execute it (much though that claim is pushed). It addressed a real community need, and did so in a relatively non-disruptive manner. Rather than lauding this compromise approach, the "right" went nuts. Is there a moderate right anymore?
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#272338 - 07/06/14 02:27 PM Re: The fading of the right [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The fading of the right

I wish. If true, it's not happening fast enough. mad
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#272339 - 07/06/14 02:29 PM Re: The fading of the right [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
... The ACA was, to me, exactly the kind of compromise legislation that should have exemplified this approach...

The ACA is the Republican "Plan" from the 90s. Hmm Now they hate it? Or do they hate it because the black guy is for it? Never mind, I know the answer already. smile
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#272341 - 07/06/14 03:02 PM Re: The fading of the right [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Maybe I should have said "Moderate right" - but, I think the radical right is ratcheting up rhetorically especially because it is winding down numerically, fewer and fewer people subscribe to TEA positions, and their politicians are competitive in fewer and fewer races. Although there are many splinters on the radical right, each segment is getting smaller. In 2012 Democratic votes significantly outstripped Republican and but for gerrymandering would have resulted in a Democratic House.

I tend to believe that the right is fading nationally, but solidifying locally (which may be more insidious), and for two reasons: 1) a complete lack of ideas, and 2) demographic and social realities. Younger, urban, and mixed-ethnicity voters are replacing the angry, old, white, male, rural voters of the right. Only the Supreme Court maintains that demographic ratio.

I am not saying that the disease has been cured, or that more damage cannot be done. But, more philosophically, are there any "Moderates" anymore? The electorate seems to hold such views, but not in policy and media circles.
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#272343 - 07/06/14 04:10 PM Re: The fading of the right [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Maybe I should have said "Moderate right" - but, I think the radical right is ratcheting up rhetorically especially because it is winding down numerically, fewer and fewer people subscribe to TEA positions...

According Gallop this is very true. smile
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#272346 - 07/06/14 04:26 PM Re: The fading of the right [Re: NW Ponderer]
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My own story Maps approximately with what you described
I was raised by republican parents.
And only slowly and carefully explored other ideas

I was a little confused and alarmed by the the Vietnam war protesters


I have little to quibble with the positions that you have outlined

Generally I favor policies that appear to me to be prudent and practical

IMO such policies are not arrived at through ideological means

In fact. IMO. Ideology is usually a way in which people rationalize what would otherwise be seen to be idiotic. And also in my opinion ideological rationales t provide a pleasant perfume for policies that would otherwise be seen to be noxiously self serving

Unfortunately people tend to be reliably led astray by such appeals to religion and ideology. Which clouds discussion and resolution of virtually every problem our country currently faces

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#272375 - 07/07/14 12:03 PM Re: The fading of the right [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Can anyone identify a "Moderate-right" politician anymore? I was trying to do so, but those that I would have put into that category seem to all be gone. Where Have All The Moderate Republicans Gone? Maybe, as has been posited, they never existed. The Myth of the Moderate Republican I thought that Lincoln Chafee was one, and Charlie Crist another, but both left the Republican party and have now become Democrats. I don't know if that means they are less "rightist" than they were before. I think what it means is that whatever "moderation" existed in the Republican party has migrated to the right wing of the Democratic party.

My personal opinion is that there needs to be a fundamental restructuring of the political continuum, and an acknowledgment of where those parties actually stand. "The Middle" is decidedly within the Democratic party, now, but even there many of its members are far to the right of "moderates."
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#272376 - 07/07/14 01:01 PM Re: The fading of the right [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I just wrote a long reply I though was good and it vanished into the ether. Oh well.

I’ll venture a new one. I think Romney was a moderate-right politician at heart but it didn’t serve him well in the general as the extreme types never trusted him. They viewed him as suspiciously centrist- the 47% comment not withstanding. I think Romney felt compelled to utter that comment as he was pandering to the live audience of the moment and was trying to earn their trust. So to speak.

But according to the “new righters” of the purple sage anyone who veers from their loyalty script by the smallest smidgen is to be cast to the wolves and have that damn bus do donuts upon their shattered carcasses. There is no room there for the slightest shade of gray. And that does not suit them in anyway. A thinking slightly compromising politician is unwanted for the Tea Partier types.

I used to consider myself a centrist and held views from both sides depending on the specific issue. I’m talking of political views of perhaps 30 years ago. But today I would be viewed as a flaming radical by the right extremists. Pink and blue through and through.As would any politician who veers in the least from their purity oath “platform”.

The Tea Party will be the death of the Republican party and it should be. They want nothing more than the death of the federal government unless of course they might be the beneficiaries of certain types of federal largesse. And some-bless their hearts-don’t even want that. At least those extreme of extremists are being consistent.
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#272377 - 07/07/14 01:03 PM Re: The fading of the right [Re: Ardy]
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Originally Posted By: Ardy
I was raised by republican parents.

Me too. When Reagan was elected, it wasn't rocket science to know that that my parents were wrong. Even as a teenager, I knew Reagan was bad for the country.

Today, I'm a Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren über-Liberal. smile

Obama and the Clintons are too right for my taste. crazy
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#272385 - 07/07/14 04:40 PM Re: The fading of the right [Re: california rick]
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My parents were always Democrats. My mom even taped a Kennedy/Johnson poster to the front of my stroller(I was 2 in 1960)
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