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#280273 - 08/15/15 10:52 AM Trump's Trumpet
Ezekiel Offline
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The Trump Trumpet
To read today's pre pre pre election coverage one would think that the buffon in chief, aka Donald Trump,
is doing something new. He is not. The Ross Perot snatch and grab and rant and run of the early 90s is the
playbook by which the Donald is creating his strategy.
Outbursts of idiocy and the phony "plain speak" that have punctuated his public appearances appeal to the
"less inclined to think" of Republican voters. And it is, after all, basic physics: the majority of people will take the path
of least resistance. Pondering the consequences of one's pronouncements is not that path. Hence, the images
conjured up by Trump's spewing forth of absurdities is what attracts those whose only reasoning constitutes the
easy to understand scapegoating of every other group except one's own.
Hitler did it with great success, at least initially. (Not comparing Trump to Hitler, just the modus operandi.)
What thinking people usually fail to grasp is that elections, and all other forms of mass persuasion, are NEVER
based on reason, i.e. rational thought. They are fueled by images that are easy for the simpler minds among us
to understand. Rehtoric is key inasmuch as it creates the oversimplified explanation for the complex problems that the
world generally faces.
This strategy, however, rarely stands the test of time. In today's world of global information virtually available
to most people, this is even less so. When information could be hidden or hard to come by, one could continue the charade
for extended periods of time. But nowadays, that will not work.
As a result, it is just a matter of when Trump's reckoning will come. And when it does, the same people who wonder
at how he sounded so true, will be asking themselves, how they were fooled by such clown - after all he did have the
bulbous nose and the wig and the painted face.
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#280274 - 08/15/15 03:06 PM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: Ezekiel]
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The only disagreement I might voice to this is that I believe Perot was much more genuine.
I believe he was intimidated into withdrawing.
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#280286 - 08/15/15 09:25 PM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
The only disagreement I might voice to this is that I believe Perot was much more genuine.
I believe he was intimidated into withdrawing.


And I think that Ross Perot was a bit smarter.
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#280289 - 08/15/15 09:38 PM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: Scoutgal]
Ezekiel Offline
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Originally Posted By: Scoutgal
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
The only disagreement I might voice to this is that I believe Perot was much more genuine.
I believe he was intimidated into withdrawing.


And I think that Ross Perot was a bit smarter.


I said he took the strategy from the playbook. I was not comparing the two as I don't think that as people they are comparable.


Edited by Ezekiel (08/15/15 09:39 PM)
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#280302 - 08/15/15 11:49 PM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: Ezekiel]
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Originally Posted By: Ezekiel
Originally Posted By: Scoutgal
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
The only disagreement I might voice to this is that I believe Perot was much more genuine.
I believe he was intimidated into withdrawing.


And I think that Ross Perot was a bit smarter.


I said he took the strategy from the playbook. I was not comparing the two as I don't think that as people they are comparable.


You are right. Because even a blind squirrel can pick up a nugget every once in a while. wink
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#280305 - 08/16/15 08:58 PM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: Ezekiel]
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I find the remarks on Trump interesting. First, he is in, almost exactly, the same place Hitler was when he started (a loon with a very small group of supporters). The difference is that he is rich, which, in the United States, makes him admired, far and wide, by most of the population and particularly the Fox news folk. On top of that, everytime everybody thinks his mouth has gotten him into trouble his numbers don't go down, they go up.

I have been preaching, for years, that the continued lack of faith, in our government, and our elected, can bode no good and now we have Trump. We may be so far gone that all we want is the guy on the white horse who will save us inspite of ourselves. This could actually be Trump. He is pushing all the right buttons and he is doing it well. He has also, obviously, been toning it down a bit and working his mouth for all its worth. Sometimes it almost seems like he is actually spouting details then, again, maybe not. Anyway, given the continued and unabated dismissal of him which, I think, he depends on, he is going to continue. Also remember, he has also said that he is willing to spend 1 billion dollars to win - all on himself. Even the Koch boys are spreading theirs around. There is also some evidence he is starting to hire people and setup a real political organization.

Then there is the Perot thing. I remember that one. His main problem, and mistake, is that he ran as a 3rd party candidate. The system is heavily rigged against that one. Now, since the virtual collapse of our 2 party system anybody can run as a candidate for either party and there is little or nothing the party can actually do about it. I have also noticed some of the talking heads of the right starting to speak much less negatively of this guy.

Just think what happens when President Trump takes over - if you are into personal nightmares that's one that should set everybody quaking. When a country gets a guy on a white horse to save them its never a good or happy time (after the first blush) and people start dying. I know, its not gonna happen, he is just full of bluster and little else, he could never get elected.

Think on it a bit. The very act of dismissing him tends to display a lot more faith, in the American electorate, that, I think, is reasonable. Then there are our existing elected. The Republicans, for instance, in congress, has appointed a guy to be in charge of science, a doctor, who does not believe in science! He even says so! God is in charge and there is no global warming, for instance. Some are even nuttier than this guy! So, when you dismiss I would suggest you really think, long and hard, exactly what can happen. This casual dismissal of Trump is, I think, a very dangerous stance to take.

Just a thought..................

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#280311 - 08/17/15 04:25 PM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: Ezekiel]
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Not a big Trump fan, but he has an advantage that none of the other candidates have; He can say what he wants to say. From a purely entertaining standpoint, a Trump/Hillary election would be a hoot, a Trump/Sanders would be even more entertaining.

He stays on topic, shows little respect for the current state of open discourse and takes very popular stands. He could win if all fell into place. I have to admit, a Trump administration has a certain charm, a certain ring to it. If just to make the Libs heads blow up!
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#280312 - 08/17/15 05:43 PM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: Ma_Republican]
Ezekiel Offline
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Originally Posted By: Ma_Republican
I have to admit, a Trump administration has a certain charm, a certain ring to it. If just to make the Libs heads blow up!

Any Democratic candidate that runs against Trump in general election, even a corpse, would beat him. He'd probably wind up doing more to help than to hurt them. So in that sense, I quite agree with you. wink
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#280313 - 08/17/15 10:57 PM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: Ma_Republican]
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I wouldn't characterize what Trump does as "staying on topic". He stays on his talking points. though, and ignores everything else. Perfect quality in a dictator.
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#280314 - 08/18/15 12:07 AM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: Ezekiel]
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Quote:
his public appearances appeal to the
"less inclined to think" of Republican voters


Let's call it like it is: These are the moron vote, and are actually an important part of the many coalitions that make up the Republican Party. If bad-loser Trump goes Independent he takes away the moron vote and the Republicans have a losing minority. Very badly losing!

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