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#281115 - 09/25/15 02:14 PM John Boehner About to Announce Resignation
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In the world of WTF...

N.Y. Times

Maybe the Pope's visit had him thinking...??


Edited by Ezekiel (09/25/15 02:18 PM)
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#281116 - 09/25/15 02:36 PM Re: John Boehner About to Announce Resignation [Re: Ezekiel]
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If this is true, and it is in the NYT, petty politics has won, Congress is about to fall apart, and the Democrats are going to sweep in 2016. Can you imagine trying to negotiate with Louie Gohmert* as Speaker? I think, given this, there may be no way to avoid a shutdown at the end of the month. The inmates will be taking over the asylum.

*Rightwinger Louie Gohmert challenges John Boehner for House speaker job (not that I think Gohmert has a chance in hell of winning election).
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#281117 - 09/25/15 02:54 PM Re: John Boehner About to Announce Resignation [Re: Ezekiel]
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Oh it's for real.

Washington Post

The Post seems to think:

Quote:
The shocking move means there’s unlikely to be a government shutdown next week. Following Boehner’s announcement, House Republicans said there was agreement to pass a clean spending bill to avert a government shutdown. Several members of the Freedom Caucus, the conservative group which led the revolt against Boehner’s leadership, said they will now support the spending bill without demands to defund Planned Parenthood attached to it.


Sounds like a right wing coup d'etat...


Edited by Ezekiel (09/25/15 02:55 PM)
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#281119 - 09/25/15 03:10 PM Re: John Boehner About to Announce Resignation [Re: Ezekiel]
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Here is someone we should all get to know: Rep. Kevin McCarthy, the current Majority Leader in the House. I'd expect he has an inside track for the Speakership, but who knows when the loonies run the show? The problem is, he's not a firebreather. He has made the mistake of not trashing every Democratic idea.
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#281122 - 09/25/15 05:16 PM Re: John Boehner About to Announce Resignation [Re: Ezekiel]
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I've always viewed John Boehner as a fairly sensible man who was driven farther to the right than he would choose by extremists in his party.

In the words of Pete King R/NY "This is a win for the crazies."

So what is a "win for the crazies" in Congress going to do to the rest of us?
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#281124 - 09/25/15 07:58 PM Re: John Boehner About to Announce Resignation [Re: Greger]
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I kind of like John Boehner, but his job as Speaker was to create consensus and build a functional governing body. He did not succeed. When faced with opposition, he tried to muscle his way around it. When muscle didn’t work, he tried finesse. When those didn’t work he turtled.

His job was to find a way to create a functional governing majority, but his acceptance of issues that the majority of his party did not agree with doomed his Speakership to gridlock and back stabbing. Boehner’s job was to manage the politics of the House of Representatives and create some form majority opinion, instead he ignored his members and worked in secret, behind the membership’s backs at times, to build compromise that he could never hope to get past his membership. Let’s hope the next Speaker will consider politics a criteria and not a vise.

John Boehner was a good man who was not cut out to be Speaker of the House. The Speaker has to build strength and apply it ruthlessly when needed. Boehner never showed that he could do that to anybody except those who disagreed with him in his own caucus. Maybe the next guy/girl will have some idea of how to be a successful Speaker of the House of Representatives.

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#281125 - 09/25/15 09:13 PM Re: John Boehner About to Announce Resignation [Re: Ezekiel]
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Chew on this...
From a friend outside CHB:

Originally Posted By: David Rosner

You don't have to be a Congressmember to be Speaker of the House... What if the TeaBaggers pushed TED CRUZ as Speaker of the House (and succeeded in getting him elected)... it would pose an interesting Constitutional Question, and certainly give him HUGE powers to stop anything President Obama wanted... because he would be BOTH a Senator, and Speaker...

Even a NON-member of House or Senate can be... has never happened... and probably won't... but it could, as per the rules. After the 2012 and 2014 elections, some TeaBaggers nominated complete outsiders as "symbolic protest" to Boehner.

Can you imagine what would happen if a Cliven Bundy, or a Grover Norquist, or a Koch brother were to gain the role of Speaker? Can you imagine that happening, and them going full Bat-s*** crazy? Even just Ted Cruz would be terrifying to imagine.

1st order of business... Impeachment of the President... valid charges be damned
SHUTPEACHMENT, turn the screws on every GOP House member, and all it would take would be 218 votes to impeach, followed by a coup and overthrow attempt on Washington?
Then he turns around and as Senator, puts a One Man Filibuster on ALL other Senate business until he gets his way in the Senate, and if impeachment succeeds in removing Obama from office it would make Joe Biden President, unless he goes after him as well... and that would make Teddy Boy the unelected President."


--I realize that the likelihood of all of this coming to pass is not 100% realistic, or is it?
Just some food for thought. For me just the fact that anyone at all can become Speaker is sobering, and I consider it a constitutional design flaw.
(JH)

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#281126 - 09/25/15 09:39 PM Re: John Boehner About to Announce Resignation [Re: Ma_Republican]
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Originally Posted By: Ma_Republican
...His job was to find a way to create a functional governing majority, but his acceptance of issues that the majority of his party did not agree with doomed his Speakership to gridlock and back stabbing....


Actually, a majority of his party did agree, it was the hardliner 30% who didn't, leaving Boehner without a majority of the House - unless he went to the Democrats.

Taking a majority of the Republicans and adding in some Democrats is a perfectly reasonable, and acceptable, way for the House to function.

Bending over for the 30% of the Republicans who are insane is not.
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#281127 - 09/25/15 10:29 PM Re: John Boehner About to Announce Resignation [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll

Taking a majority of the Republicans and adding in some Democrats is a perfectly reasonable, and acceptable, way for the House to function.

Bending over for the 30% of the Republicans who are insane is not.


The problem is, that 30% will only allow a radical member like themselves to be the next Speaker, methinks.
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#281128 - 09/25/15 11:20 PM Re: John Boehner About to Announce Resignation [Re: Ezekiel]
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However you look at it, for us non-conservative types it's going to be pretty entertaining.
Boehner understood that politics is the art of the possible. He wouldn't send a bill across the President's desk that he knew was going to fly back in his face.
With the Presidential clown car spinning out of control in one ring, the House in complete disarray in the second one, I can't wait to see what sort of show they have lined up when the spotlight shifts to center ring...
Can anyone envision a government shutdown based on falsified information regarding Planned Parenthood?

Shutdowns haven't gone well for Republicans in the past and I don't imagine this one will either.
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