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#285427 - 03/01/16 05:48 AM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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The Republican Party as we know it is finished. And they will not even be welcomed in Finland. Land of the Finished.

Question is--what is to become of them?

Mr. Golem--will you venture a guess?
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#285449 - 03/01/16 10:17 PM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: Ezekiel]
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They have really yielded the center to the Democrats, by (stupid) choice. Maybe we get The Tea Party on the right, The Democrats on center, and The Socialists on the left.

If the Democrats disavowed socialism (which they have only supported in the fertile imaginations of Republicans anyway) then the moderate Republicans would not object to joining. We could even call it the Democratic Republican Party!

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#285452 - 03/01/16 10:39 PM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: Ezekiel]
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The way it seems to be shaping up I see more fractures on the liberal side than anywhere else. Hordes of people are either threatening to sit out the election, or to "let it burn" to "teach everyone a lesson", or to vote for someone they write in, like Jill Stein, or Barney the Purple Dinosaur. And the specter of a Bloomberg distraction campaign looms ever present as well.

Liberals are apparently genetically incapable of achieving unity.
They'd rather spend the rest of their life living under an 80 percent ultra conservative Supreme Court majority than allow their high standards to be sullied by a candidate they don't approve of. That applies almost equally to both Bernie partisans and Hillary partisans alike.

The Tea Party sweep of 2010, and the 2014 Republican takeover of both houses in Congress...
If you sat home, or whined about not getting your dream team, you built that.
And if you pull the same stunt this November, when you see the Trump swastika rise above New York City like a Bat Signal for Skinheads, or a giant crucifix coming out of the Gulf of Mexico, yeah...you built that, too.


Edited by Jeffery J. Haas (03/01/16 10:40 PM)
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#285454 - 03/01/16 10:58 PM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
The way it seems to be shaping up I see more fractures on the liberal side than anywhere else. Hordes of people are either threatening to sit out the election, or to "let it burn" to "teach everyone a lesson", or to vote for someone they write in...

I travel in heavy political circles on the Internet blogs - and I'm not seeing that AT ALL. What I am seeing is the Republican party fracturing apart and already talking about a brokered convention if The Donald wins big tonight and on the 15th of March. Hmm

Show me ONE brokered Dem convention article, Dem people sitting this one out, or blog post. Hmm
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#285457 - 03/02/16 12:26 AM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: pdx rick]
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Most of the Dems I know are rooting for Bernie but will happily take Hillary. I have not heard anyone say they will sit it out and I haven't heard Jill's name come up at all.

I strongly support Sanders right now because I believe his is the more aspirational campaign, but I don't expect him to become the nominee.

Lots of people, especially young ones, are learning to think in a fresh way because of Unca Bern. We need to be freshened up.
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#285459 - 03/02/16 02:57 AM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Quote:
Liberals are apparently genetically incapable of achieving unity.


Well, Hillary can avoid that and get all those Bernie supporters out to vote for her by the simple expedient of including Bernie in her administration. Offer him the VP slot or Secretary of Health and Human Services. Whatever, just get those Bernistas to the polls so she can get a decent Congress. It might be worth it, and she can always fire him if it doesn't work out in a cabinet position.

I think he might just be willing to swallow his pride to be President of the Senate, determine all the committee assignments, break ties, etc. I can picture him as a very active VP: A perfect weapon Hillary could point at Republicans, as well as insurance that nobody would ever try to impeach or assassinate her.

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#285467 - 03/02/16 04:45 AM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: pondering_it_all]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline


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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
I can picture him as a very active VP: A perfect weapon Hillary could point at Republicans, as well as insurance that nobody would ever try to impeach or assassinate her.


Not to mention, if she still has a heart in there somewhere she can play good cop/bad cop when crooks come calling and demanding favors for all their money:

Quote:
"I am truly sorry but you have to understand, my Vice President will destroy this on sight, and that links back to MY credibility as President. I have to WORK WITH Mr. Sanders as my liason to Congress, so you are putting me in an impossible position.
It's not me, it's him, sorry."


Edited by Jeffery J. Haas (03/02/16 04:46 AM)
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#285468 - 03/02/16 07:01 AM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
Most of the Dems I know are rooting for Bernie but will happily take Hillary. I have not heard anyone say they will sit it out and I haven't heard Jill's name come up at all..

Exactly. I'd never heard of Jill until Reader Rant. Hmm
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#285476 - 03/02/16 08:36 PM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: Ezekiel]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline


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In other news, Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone fame says Bush was the appetizer, Trump is the main course.
In other words, the culture of Dubya is what gave rise to the culture of Trump.

I seldom if ever disagree with almost anything Matt Taibbi writes but I think he's being tripped up slightly by nothing more ominous than his birth date. He was born in 1970.
Sorry Matt, but you have to go back even further, to be totally honest.
Christopher Lloyd gave us an eerie look at how different our sensibilities might have been back in the 50's, before the military industrial complex took over.
It is completely realistic to expect that people in the 1950's would be skeptical about a B movie actor assuming the highest office in the land and becoming leader of the free world.
After all, actors are trained to deliver other people's thoughts and visions transparently, and some of us are only just now figuring out that Reagan's visions were the visions of an unelected shadow government Hell bent on "throwing us overboard thirty f***ing years ago." (Carlin)

Quote:
"So tell me..."Future Boy"...who is President of the United States, in 1985?"
"Ronald Reagan."
"Ronald Reagan! The actor? Who's Vice President, Jerry Lewis??"





Once they knew Americans would accept the canned speeches of an empty headed washed up actor who falls asleep during policy meetings, they knew it would be possible to put ANY clown in the White House. All they had to be able to is function as a mouthpiece for the anonymous elite money power, and all attempts at critical thinking would be shunted by a compliant corporate media into an endless feedback loop of predigested phony populist anger.
There is no weapon that is more efficient at de-legitimizing the critical eye than a call to arms by the Othering Brigade.
Churches have been using that weapon for millennia, so why not a corporate oligarchy? Is there really all that much difference between the two?
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#285480 - 03/02/16 11:13 PM Re: Trump's Trumpet [Re: pdx rick]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline


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Originally Posted By: pdx rick


Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
The way it seems to be shaping up I see more fractures on the liberal side than anywhere else. Hordes of people are either threatening to sit out the election, or to "let it burn" to "teach everyone a lesson", or to vote for someone they write in...

I travel in heavy political circles on the Internet blogs - and I'm not seeing that AT ALL. What I am seeing is the Republican party fracturing apart and already talking about a brokered convention if The Donald wins big tonight and on the 15th of March. Hmm

Show me ONE brokered Dem convention article, Dem people sitting this one out, or blog post. Hmm


Nothing to do with articles pointing at brokered conventions, Rick.
I wish it were that simple.
It has mostly to do with the hordes of Bernie voters and hordes of HRC voters, both threatening the same thing:

Quote:
B: I will NEVER EVER vote for Hillary, I'd rather write in JILL STEIN!
B: I won't vote for Hillary, I just won't vote, let it burn, it will teach everyone a lesson.

Quote:
H: I will never ever vote for that socialist.
H: I will not waste my vote on Bernie because he is unelectable.
A vote for Bernie is a vote for the Republicans.


And on and on ad nauseum.
I get at least five posts a day from the various Facebook Bernie or Facebook Hillary groups that say something similar.

And there is historical precedent, Rick!
It happened in 1968 when the ultra liberals sat out the election because they refused to vote for Humphrey.
So we got Tricky Dick instead!

The reason Nixon won so convincingly is because the Dems refused to unify and back their nominated candidate!

Hence my statement, we seem to be incapable of learning, whereas Republicans are practical and pragmatic. They know that as long as THEY have the football, they can make yardage and we lose the game, over and over and over again.
And they DO make yardage, every time, at OUR EXPENSE.
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